back to article Cambodia cans critics of its snoopy Internet Gateway, says every nation has one

Cambodia's Ministry of Foreign Affairs and International Cooperation has issued a clarification about the role of the "National Internet Gateway" that will commence operations tomorrow, stating that descriptions of it as an instrument of pervasive surveillance are "unfounded." As reported yesterday in The Register, human …

  1. YetAnotherJoeBlow Bronze badge

    “As the internet became a publicly accessible information and communication platform, there was no debate about whether it should fall under government supervision – only about how such control would be implemented in practice.”

    As Rogier Creemers - a China expert said once.

  2. Tuesday Is Soylent Green Day

    When has the UN ever cared about human rights?

    Let's face it, the UN is laughably lax when it comes to its members' human rights records. Piping up about "chilling effects" and "free speech" is a load of hooey for that dinosaur.

    1. wolfetone Silver badge

      Re: When has the UN ever cared about human rights?

      But my friend, you're looking at it the wrong way.

      Their members human rights records are completely different to those of non-members, because it's the membership card that counts. It's part of the loyalty scheme.

      1. Pascal Monett Silver badge
        1. wolfetone Silver badge

          But it's not a Gold card member.

          It gets the free cup of coffee a month, and that's it.

          1. badflorist

            ProTip: With "UN Gold" you can get a refund before the trial runs out and still get the free "I'm in... UN?" t-shirt. Also, they charge up front, so still need a way to pay that initial $19.99.

    2. Potemkine! Silver badge

      Re: When has the UN ever cared about human rights?

      UN is a set of members. It has no divine means to impose things everywhere on Earth. The responsibility of UN efficiency lies on the countries being part of it.

    3. Anonymous Coward
      Anonymous Coward

      Re: When has the UN ever cared about human rights?

      As a reminder: the UN is not an all-powerful entity with a vast army that can overpower any country.

      It fully depends on reaching a consensus before deciding to take action, and then on countries to provide a way to enforce that decision.

      If countries don't want to, then nothing happens. And that fully applies to the US and the UK too, who routinely ignore UN decisions when human rights get in the way of their self-defined "national interests".

  3. andrewmm

    London internet exchange

    Does the UK not funnel all internet through a government server system ?

    What dis Snowden say about the US system ?

    1. Anonymous Coward
      Anonymous Coward

      Re: London internet exchange

      @andrewmm

      "Does the UK not funnel all internet through a government server system?"

      At the moment, no.

      But they have plans to do so. Which is why Patel is pushing through plans to, one way or another, weaken encryption. Back door my arse! (yes I know)

      Funny how most British M.P's have switched to using Signal.

      It's like they knew something that they hope we don't.

    2. Anonymous Coward
      Anonymous Coward

      Re: London internet exchange

      No. The UK use the cheaper option of making the ISPs collect the data. Every time your computer switches on the the VPN connects they log it, along with how long the connection was open.

      Cambodia have also banned VPNs.

      1. Kabukiwookie Silver badge

        Re: London internet exchange

        The UK does not spy on its own people as that would be illegal. They have the USians do that for them.

        The intel then gets shared under the 5-eyes umbrella.

      2. Anonymous Coward
        Anonymous Coward

        Re: London internet exchange

        How is VPN banned?

  4. Anonymous Coward
    Anonymous Coward

    One thing is really not clear: is the Cambodian government tinkering with encryption too, as in, decrypting TLS and such? Because if not, it can block stuff, but is not actually getting much information.

    1. mark l 2 Silver badge

      Even with TLS encryption the authorities can know a heck of a lot about what activities you are doing from the meta data from the apps, and websites you connect to.

      1. Anonymous Coward
        Anonymous Coward

        Much less, because web sites are commonly sharing IP addresses nowadays. They will know there's a connection to a CDN's address, they won't know what specific website was looked at. And there could be dozens to choose from if not more. Even meta data isn't that useful: the Facebook app will leave traces of connections to Facebook, but not everybody connecting to Facebook is of interest to them. They'd need much more specific information than that.

        So, technical details are missing here.

    2. scrubber
      Black Helicopters

      Sig-int

      Knowing who communicates with who, in what order, on which dates and times and for how long can actually be much more valuable information than the content of any given message.

  5. scrubber

    Cambodia???

    I thought it said Canada.

    1. MacNews

      Re: Cambodia???

      With martial law imposed yesterday, I'm sure it's not far away.

  6. Anonymous Coward
    Anonymous Coward

    Trending

    It's trending that all these governments around the world are coming out of their dictatorship closets to fight against freedom.

    It's sad about the governments, but it's great to see people across the world working together and calling out the draconian demons for what they are.

  7. Anonymous Coward
    Anonymous Coward

    Funny

    So it's coming on tomorrow, yet to my knowledge there is so far zero infrastructure built for the NIG?

    1. doublelayer Silver badge

      Re: Funny

      They didn't say it would work tomorrow when they turn it on. However, would you know if there was infrastructure for it? Most likely, it will be a bunch of networking equipment provided by a company that has contracted the dictatorship as a service (DaS) business. That equipment would go into the ISPs' networking facilities and/or on the international communication lines inside Cambodia. Neither location keeps a public log of everything done inside and why. They could take many required steps without it becoming obvious that they have.

      1. Anonymous Coward
        Anonymous Coward

        Re: Funny

        You obviously have no idea whatsoever what this system is supposed to be and how it would work.

        Perhaps you should do a little research before showing your cluelessness.

        There would be visible changes in peering relationships when it is implemented.

        All my peering are still up so obviously there have been no changes.

  8. The Empress

    Cheaper and easier to outsource the work to Google

    They would do it cheaper and more reliably

  9. nijam Silver badge

    > "...to maintain social order and protect national culture."

    So, yes, it really is about surveillance and censorship, then.

    1. HildyJ Silver badge
      Big Brother

      Pot meet Kettle

      Yes, Cambodia's move is significantly more nefarious than many, but others are seeking the same thing, including Western allies like Turkey, Saudi Arabia, and, regionally, India.

      In the US, many minorities have been surveilled and while censorship is uncommon it does exist, primarily against radical movements.

      In the world of cast iron cooking, there are degrees of black but let's not pretend ours are all shiny.

      1. Kabukiwookie Silver badge

        Re: Pot meet Kettle

        In the US, if you have an opinion that dissents from the mainstream narrative, you're called racist/lgbtq+-phobe/alt-right/conspiracy-theorist...

        With those sort of smears, people start to self-censor, just to get out of the cross-hairs of the frothing-at-the-mouth SJWs, who, even though they claim to be progressive, seem to have no qualms about censoring any view that does not exactly coincide with theirs.

  10. Mobster

    At least no one in Cambodia is braying "it is to protect the children!"

  11. Anonymous Coward
    Anonymous Coward

    Not to mention the Telecom Regulator Cambodia has been demanding to block tons of websites lately.

    265 since December in 4 batches.

    Mostly Vietnamese betting/lottery sites; but also porn, local gambling, Pakistan visa scam, criticism of the regime.

    What really irks me are the Vietnamese gambling sites: they have nothing to do with Cambodia, are totally geared for the VN market, and still labeled as "illegal gambling operating in Cambodia".

    A typical shitty overreach.

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