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Recent photos from NASA's Mars InSight lander demonstrate that even the Register readers' filthiest PCs cannot compare to the effects of Martian dust. Although consequences of poor PC hygiene can result in blocked fans, overheating silicon, and even the odd dried animal corpse, a build-up of dust on spacecraft solar panels can …

  1. Pascal Monett Silver badge

    It really is a shame the boffins couldn't work in a brush on a stick.

    Not blaming them at all, I'm sure they thought of the problem.

    It's just a shame they couldn't get one in.

    1. Dwarf

      As somebody else posted the other week on a similar topic, why can’t they use the quad copter that they have there to displace some of the dust ?

      1. KarMann

        Probably because it's over 3,000 km away right now? That would seem to be a bit of an obstacle.

        ETA: Also, Ingenuity isn't a quadcopter; it has two sets of blades on a single shaft.

    2. b0llchit Silver badge

      They did try a fan, once, but it turns out that the blades needed to spin really fast to blow a hole (in the dust). Alternatively, landing the drone on top of the lander's solar panels was determined too great a risk. It would have blown a mini-storm with a chance of rolling the lander on its side and no rain was expected to help.

      1. Anonymous Coward
        Anonymous Coward

        Surely a big fan attached to the end of an ever narrowing pipe to increase the airflow at the point of exit would do the job?

        Or a small air compressor that slowly trickle-fills an air cylinder that can give a blast of compressed air when needed.

      2. Anonymous Coward
        Anonymous Coward

        I used to work at JPL. I can't stress enought how much weight is a premuin for these probes. If they were going to try to out something to blow dust off the panels, a systems analysis is likely to end up with some kind of spritzer using gas generated by a chemical reaction if the probe doesn't have some kind of copter than can perform other duties beyond dusting panels. Think modified maneuvering thruster. But that has its own issues. But dust management is obviously going to be a big deal for any long term Mars missions, especially manned missions where you have to maintain door seals.

    3. tony72

      Yeah, it must be a hard problem, or it would've been solved by now. But if we're going to colonize Mars, I guess it's a problem that will need to be solved, we must be able to better than sending Johnny Colonist out with a squeegee to clean the solar arrays.

      1. imanidiot Silver badge

        Sending Johnny Colonist out once every few months is a good enough solution for long term if we colonize Mars.

        1. Totally not a Cylon
          Thumb Up

          Could be a nice job, unlike painting Red Dwarf.....

    4. KittenHuffer Silver badge

      Brushing the dust off is likely to degrade the panels anyway due to the abrasive nature of the dust. I believe the idea was discounted due to this, and also the weight of the brush mechanism that would be required.

    5. Timbo

      An easier way would be to cover the solar panels with a transparent "balloon" type bag.

      If dust builds up, inflate the "solar panel balloon bag" from a small expandable "storage balloon" which has been slightly pressurised and filled, via a small on-board pump, with clean, Martian atmospheric gas during a non-storm period).

      Then simply open a valve from the "storage vessel" to inflate the "solar panel balloon" using the pressurised gas, and the dust should fall off. One could also statically charge said inflating gas with an opposing electric charge which might help repel any residual dust.

      Cost: 2 bespoke balloons, a pump, a couple of valves and a small static charge anode.

      1. DJO Silver badge

        ...opposing electric charge which might help repel...

        Oh dear, it's back to school for you.

        1. Timbo

          "Oh dear, it's back to school for you."

          Oh great overseer of all things, pray tell me why *I* need to go back to school?

          Maybe you've got a better understanding of electrostatic charges, especially in a moisture-free, wind-blown, dusty environment?

          1. DJO Silver badge

            Like charges repel.

            Opposite charges attract.

      2. A K Stiles

        Cost: 2 bespoke balloons, a pump, a couple of valves and a small static charge anode.

        plus the fuel to get the additional mass out of earth's gravity well, plus more fuel for course changes en-route due to increased inertia, plus whatever is required to get that additional mass safely to the surface of Mars...

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        2. Timbo

          "plus the fuel to get the additional mass out of earth's gravity well, plus more fuel for course changes en-route due to increased inertia, plus whatever is required to get that additional mass safely to the surface of Mars..."

          The InSight landed mass is 358 kg.

          My suggestion for 2x balloons big enough to cover the 2x 2.15m (dia) solar panels with a thin expandable sealed covering, using maybe a thin polythene might add a few tens of grammes, same with a storage balloon - and a small pump and a valve (and some thin plastic tubing) might add maybe 50-75 grammes. So, perhaps 150g (6 oz) in total.

          In the big scheme of things that's a minor sacrifice compared to being able to extend the mission by perhaps months or years?

  2. colinpuk

    Surely the solar panels were fanned out when it landed, so they should have been able to pack them back in before the storm?

    1. imanidiot Silver badge

      IIRC the solar panels were deployed by a spring pulling on a lanyard/cord so the only release mechanism was a catch opening to release them. There is no mechanism to fold them back in

      1. KittenHuffer Silver badge

        There is also the issue that having packed them away the lander would have to survive solely on battery power until the storm stopped and the dust settled, and then still have enough power to open the panels again ..... against the drag of the dust that has dettled into the open/close mechanism.

  3. Draco

    Methinks the people working on fusion technology are also working on this technology ...

    One of the challenges in exploring the moon or planets is dust kicked up by engines during landing or activity on these distant worlds. Scientists in the Electrostatics and Surface Physics Laboratory at NASA's Kennedy Space Center in Florida are developing ways to mitigate this problem.

    Electrodynamic dust shield, or EDS, technology is based on concepts originally developed by NASA as early as 1967 ...

    A techy paper titled History and Flight Devleopment of the Electrodynamic Dust Shield is available here:

    If your preferred article style is more newsy than techy, the BBC reported (23 Aug 2010) that "Working with Nasa, Malay Mazumder from Boston University originally developed the technology to keep solar panels powering Mars rovers clean." and that "They expect the technology to be commercially available within one year."

    1. Admiral Grace Hopper


      Seeing that TLA made me flashback to an employer from a long time ago. Rather than "Electrodynamic Dust Shield", we unpacked it as, "Every Day Sucks", "Enthusiasm Deficiency Syndrome", "Eventually Does Something" amongst many others.

  4. Doctor Syntax Silver badge

    A brisk journey over some rough terrain might help.

    1. lglethal Silver badge

      You missed the part about this being a stationary lander, right?

    2. KarMann

      Again: Lander, not a rover. No wheels. No go. No bouncy bouncy.

  5. Sam Therapy

    Dunno about the lander but as for my PC, I blame the cats.

    1. Totally not a Cylon

      There's cats on Mars?

      Cats are Martians? explains all the strange looks.....

      Also: why does El Reg not have a cat icon?

      1. Anonymous Coward
        Anonymous Coward

        > stroke pussy

        You do not have a picture of a cat,

      2. A. Coatsworth Silver badge

        It took ages for me to get Cats on Mars out of my head, and now it is on again... thanks!

        Icon: closest thing to a Cowboy hat

        1. Toni the terrible Bronze badge

          Cowboy Bebop!

  6. Boothy

    Peel off protection!

    I always thought something like those peel of clear covers you can get for bike helmets could be used here somehow. The sort once covered in mud/dust, can just be peeled of to give you a clear screen again.

    Wouldn't really work with the flip out segmented panels in use here, at least not easily, but aught to be easier for a square/rectangular PV panel.


    You'd have several thin clear layers of something, over the PV panel. And as dust accumulates, you basically peel one off. So nice clean surface again.

    I see two issues, one how to do the peeling, and two what happens to the peeled off layer, don't want that gumming up the wheels , or other instruments for example.

    My though would be to have a thin piece of sprung metal (or other suitable material), that's wants to curly up like a watch spring, but is pulled out flat under tension, and you have one of these in parallel either side of the panel, fixed directly to the clear sheet. (i.e. spring-sheet-spring).

    Hard fix one end of the 'spring' to one end of the panel, but the other end of the spring is on a release mechanism, perhaps a simple slide, clamping the spring down, that you pull back, and so release the end of the spring.

    So we now have a panel, with a clear sheets 'stuck' to the panel, and the sheet is attached two metal springs, pulled flat so under tension, down two sides of the sheet. Fixed at one end, release mechanism the other end.

    Panel gets too dirty, release the springs each side. These try to return to their coiled up state, so peel off the clear layer, revealing a nice fresh clean layer underneath.

    As this naturally curls up, this also traps the dust that was on the panel inside the roll of the sheet, so reducing the risk of the dust dropping back on the panel. And as the other end of the springs were fixed. This means that the peeled sheet, is now basically a roll-up on one side of the panel, so won't drop anywhere you don't want it to, like the wheels etc.

    You could have multiple layers quite easily. Just sit them layered over each other, and the release system just has to do one sheet at a time. So a simple slide release would work, as you just make the release end of the springs, shorter on the top layer, getting longer as you go down the layers.

    I can't imaging the clear sheets and springs would be very heavy, although the release system might need perhaps a small motor to mange this. Doesn't even need to be powerful if it used a small reducing worm gear or similar, to increase torque at the expense of speed.

    Granted you'd eventually run out of sheets, but I'd imagine just 3 or 4 would be enough for a typical extended rover/lander mission.

    Just a thought anyway!

  7. Duncan Macdonald

    Slanted solar panels

    If instead of horizontal panels the panels were tilted up about 60 degrees then the majority of the dust would just fall off the panels.

    There would obviously be an efficiency penalty (which would translate into a weight penalty) as bigger panels would be needed).

    Alternatively the solar panels could be mounted on the end of an arm that could be rotated to dump the dust off when needed.

    Icon for the dirty solar panels ============>

    1. imanidiot Silver badge

      Re: Slanted solar panels

      You could turn them 180 degrees to be upside down and most of this dust still wouldn't fall off. It's statically charged and clinging to the panel. It likely requires more force than just gravity to dislodge it.

      1. Timbo

        Re: Slanted solar panels

        "...most of this dust still wouldn't fall off. It's statically charged and clinging to the panel..."

        Surely they just need to reverse the polarity of the neutron any time-travelling doctor of engineering would know. :-)

  8. Anonymous Coward
    Anonymous Coward

    Why not have *emergency power* panels at a greater angle than the angle of repose for dust in martian gravity?

  9. Scott Broukell

    There's hope yet.

    Many years back I knew of a local building supplies company where the sales office was inside a large wooden hut. Sat upon the big desk inside the terminals / cash registers were continually put upon by a barrage of plaster, sand, cement dust and fine grit etc. I kid you not each one of them looked ten times as bad as the probe in the photo does and yet, somehow, they continued to operate. I can therefore only assume that someone at the company either had the good foresight to order Mil-Grade equipment, or that maybe they were in fact conducting tests for NASA.

    1. KarMann

      Re: There's hope yet.

      Were these cash registers solar powered through that layer?

      1. DJO Silver badge

        Re: There's hope yet.

        And operating at about -60ºC.

        Also "plaster, sand, cement dust and fine grit" have nothing on the ultra-fine charged dust on Mars.

        Martian dust on average is 3 microns per particle, very fine sand is 100 times bigger.

        1. DJO Silver badge

          Re: There's hope yet.

          Martian dust on average is 3 microns per particle

          For context: Johnson's Baby powder mass-averages 20 microns

  10. Anonymous Coward

    In Memoriun

    Ashes to ashes, dust to dusty

    We know Insight's a power junkie

    Strung out in heaven's high

    Hitting an all-time low

    (with apologies to David Bowie)

  11. Anonymous Coward
    Anonymous Coward

    Something there!


    1. Anonymous Coward
      Anonymous Coward

      Re: Something there!

      What? Aren't you interested in dust? Does it take some crappy helicopter to get you excited?

  12. Sparkus

    Will someone explain to me why

    an irrational Earthly fear of all things plutonium let to the discontinuance of reliable RTGs for space exploration?

    1. AdamT

      Re: Will someone explain to me why

      Well, it's not _that_ irrational. It's a fairly big chunk of plutonium, it's really radioactive (*) and, if your launch vehicle should explode, it will get spread over a very large area - which is considered a bit anti-social. Also the reactors used to make it tended to be "military themed" and really expensive to operate. Generally the world's militaries/governments are a bit less into plutonium weaponry than they used to be (probably a good thing) so supplies for RTGs would get way more expensive if they were having to fund the full reactor operations rather than just taking a few trimmings off the side.

      Some other details here:

      (*) - although, if I recall correctly, the alpha particles will get you way before being poisoned. Perhaps I was also thinking of the horrific chemical processing that also needs to be done?

      1. Anonymous Coward
        Anonymous Coward

        Re: Will someone explain to me why

        They've still been using them for the stuff they don't tell you about.

      2. midgepad

        They are quite tough

        Launch accidents shouldn't break them.

        But the isotopes of Pu that work them are in short supply, and expensive to make.

  13. Anonymous Coward
    Anonymous Coward

    Death by dust bunnies.

    What an ignominous way to go... :(

  14. Kevin McMurtrie Silver badge


    I wonder if needles with high voltage AC could bleed some charge out of the dust. It might suck up a precious 20W or so but maybe it only needs to run for a few seconds after a dust storm so that the dust can be shaken off.

    The self-cleaning reflectors along roads are brilliant but I suspect that wind powered brushes are more like wind powered grinders on Mars.

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