back to article Into x86 servers? Apple seeks 'upbeat and hard-working' hardware engineer

Apple has tipped its hand by posting a job advert that reveals some details of the "next-generation" storage and server equipment it is building in its data centers. The corporation has posted a cheery recruitment ad seeking to hire an "upbeat and hard-working hardware validation engineer to develop, implement, and complete …

  1. elsergiovolador Silver badge

    Salary

    Multi trillion dollar company and don't bother writing how much they are wiling to pay.

    Maybe for them any kind of salary is just noise, but that shows disrespect towards any potential candidate.

    1. BananaPeal

      Re: Salary

      they are top of market. or idk if you are just joshin'

    2. A Non e-mouse Silver badge
      Stop

      Re: Salary

      This isn't an Apple thing. I see lots of job adverts where the salary isn't explicitly mentioned (At best it might just say "Competitive")

      1. paddy carroll 1

        Re: Salary

        or worse claim the job is ‘exiting’

  2. tip pc Silver badge
    Facepalm

    Predominately Unix not Linux

    Apple's current data center hardware configuration remains a mystery; though it has used Unix-based IBM AIX and Sun Solaris servers in the past, it's assumed Linux is in wide use in its fleet.

    Sun hasn’t been a thing since 2012 and aix is unix with bsd extensions available.

    Given they still support OS X on x86 and mere mortals can hack it to run on cots x86 then I would have thought that they’d be at least running their own os on that x86 gear which would make it predominantly bsd unix not Linux.

    1. Dan 55 Silver badge

      Re: Predominately Unix not Linux

      What would Apple store on their long abandoned OS X Server, Granny's Hypercard database full of recipes?

      iCloud runs on top of AWS, if they want their in-house data centres to keep compatibility with AWS then they would run Linux.

      1. tip pc Silver badge

        Re: Predominately Unix not Linux

        iCloud runs on top of AWS, if they want their in-house data centres to keep compatibility with AWS then they would run Linux.

        https://www.scmagazine.com/news/security-news/cloud-security/apple-encrypts-its-icloud-data-on-google-aws-clouds

        its not quite as simple as iCloud running on AWS, or Goggle, the various articles state that apple use Google & AWS for storage & that Apple encrypt that data in the cloud providers storage.

        nothing states that AWS or GCP is running software for Apple. This is IaaS.

        I would not be surprised that Google Cloud & AWS are running some software for apple on linux x86 to facilitate this iCloud storage for Apple but it most definitely is not all of iCloud on AWS or GC as suggested.

        re OSX server, yes Apple no longer sell X server for customers, but it was effectively a rack mount server running OS X with a suite of server type Apps. They still do the OS X server app but it has barely any features any more.

        in BSD/UNIX/LINUX whats the difference between a workstation/ end user compute device & a server? the answer is typically that the server doesn't have the stuff that makes a workstation/euc a workstation/euc.

    2. druck Silver badge

      Re: Predominately Unix not Linux

      Sun hasn’t been a thing since 2012

      But it would stick in the throat to give the current owner any credit for Solaris.

  3. LDS Silver badge

    Well, that's for the previous El Reg article dreaming about a Google's M1-like cloud...

    ... it looks even the M1 designers don't think it's still the time - as "servers on a chip" may not be yet a great idea.

    1. Stuart Castle Silver badge

      Re: Well, that's for the previous El Reg article dreaming about a Google's M1-like cloud...

      I love my M1, both in iPad and Mac Mini forms. However, in terms of reliability at scale and over the long term, it is untested

      When dealing with production servers , you want to know your architecture is reliable, scalable and support is available if there are any problems.

      Note: I know that ARM has been deployed at scale, but while M1 is based on ARM, there may be differences, and those differences may cause problems.

      X86, in all it's variants, and for all it's faults, is well known, and as a race we have 40 years experience of deploying it at scale, so it makes sense for Apple to use it.

      Don't get me wrong: I'm not saying they shouldn't use M1 (or some variant of ARM), it's just they need to test it at scale first.

      1. Jaybus

        Re: Well, that's for the previous El Reg article dreaming about a Google's M1-like cloud...

        There's nothing to test. The M1 has no external memory bus or chip-to-chip QPI bus, so cannot work in a multiprocessor server and is unable to access more than 64 GB of RAM. By contrast, a dual-processor C621 motherboard can have 4 TB of RAM and 76 Xeon Scalable cores and can handle hundreds of EC2 instances.

        1. Dave559 Silver badge

          Re: Well, that's for the previous El Reg article dreaming about a Google's M1-like cloud...

          Yeah, but arrays upon arrays of screenless iPads slotted in rows, like slices of toast in a toast rack, would be a kind of amusing thought experiment nonetheless… :-D

  4. batfink Silver badge

    "Upbeat and hard-working" huh?

    Translation: "Happy to put in lots of unpaid overtime and put up with lots of shit while doing it".

  5. trevorde Silver badge

    Why x86 servers?

    Coz there's no software for the M1

  6. 89724102172714182892114I7551670349743096734346773478647892349863592355648544996312855148587659264921 Bronze badge

    "upbeat" = young

    1. A Non e-mouse Silver badge

      And gullible.

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