back to article First they came for Notepad. Now they're coming for Task Manager

Windows' murderous Task Manager looks set to get a makeover in Windows 11 after a work-in-progress turned up in the latest Insider Dev Channel build. Task Manager in Windows XP Remembering the good times The build, 22538, is an otherwise relatively mundane emission from the Windows team. Sure, there was great excitement …

  1. Anonymous Coward
    Anonymous Coward

    Yes, yes we all know what the WindowsXP task manager looks like but you've neglected to show us the new one

    1. Geoffrey W

      https://www.windowslatest.com/2022/01/20/our-first-look-at-redesigned-task-manager-for-windows-11/

      1. Geoffrey W

        Oh, and the current task manager doesn't look like the article screenshot either. It has already been redesigned. The new redesign isn't really all that different from the current design. A bit of a non story really. Yawn...[returns to hibernation]...ZZZZ

        1. Anonymous Coward
          Anonymous Coward

          And it's already available by right-clicking on the Start button, so that's not new either.

          As long as Ctrl+Shift+Esc still works in a few years when I'm forced to switch to 11, I'll be good.

      2. logicalextreme Silver badge

        Windows 11 updates the design of tart Menu, Action Center, and even taskbar[…]

        Sounds like a saucy update.

        1. Phil O'Sophical Silver badge

          You're just bitter.

      3. Press any key

        Oh look, it's ugly.

        Just like windows 10 and 11

      4. Piro Silver badge

        Mhm.. mystery meat

        What a s***e looking interface.

      5. smot

        Gosh. Someone's spent ... ooh ... 10 minutes working on that.

        1. lmotaku

          You did know that David Plummer spent about as much time with it for XP and the famous disk partitioner, adding maybe a few draw tweaks here and there? The new UI looks barely different, putting the articles in the left pane into the ui above kinda makes sense. It's actually looking a lot more like Win Virtual machine manager UI now.

          KISS is a typical old school programming element forgotten by modern devs. That's why Windows today sucks in so many ways. This design and taking a day to do means that it wasn't broken and didn't need much changing.

      6. babaganoush

        Thanks for the link.

        What a suprise - it looks shit.

      7. shade82000

        So they moved the top to the left and the left to the top but aside from that it looks the same.

    2. JDPower666 Bronze badge

      It is linked to in the article. Admittedly I did scroll up and down looking for a pic myself so a strange omission, but it is linked to.

    3. -v(o.o)v-

      What an unbelievable waste of space at the top.

      I bet ctrl-tab tab navigation won't work either.

      As with everything Win11: waste of space, loss of functionality, everything except 2 common actions more difficult to achieve, I could go on but why, it will not get any better.

  2. Steve Davies 3 Silver badge
    Childcatcher

    Ms just does not know when to stop fiddling

    Naturally, while 'Rome burns'.

    Their insistence in [redacted] things up is legendary and for most of the time, no good reason.

    1. alain williams Silver badge

      Re: Ms just does not know when to stop fiddling

      If it ain't bust don't fix it.

      A good design philosophy -- but as a developer I do understand the temptation to fiddle.

      1. John McCallum
        Unhappy

        Re: Ms just does not know when to stop fiddling

        And how many tales have we had on this site about fiddling with things?

    2. s151669

      Re: Ms just does not know when to stop fiddling

      I suppose the set environment variable box is still size of matchbox with around 40 characters max visible ?

      1. gratou

        Re: Ms just does not know when to stop fiddling

        While some settings fill up the whole screen and just have 5 lines of text

    3. Anonymous Coward
      Anonymous Coward

      Re: Ms just does not know when to stop fiddling

      Sounds like the Gnome folks. Or Poettering's lot.

  3. NoneSuch Silver badge
    Mushroom

    With every Windows update I lose more control of my own system. Processes I cannot kill off when they hang (because as full Admin I don't have authorization) services I cannot change (because you really didn't mean to do that. we at Microsoft know better than you) and the endless invasive telemetry to the point where Powershell fails to open promptly if there is no Internet connection.

    Windows is no longer a Operating System. It is a personal data gathering utility tied to profit making similar to crypto currency miners. The more you use it, the more data MS has to sell on to its partners.

    1. Jou (Mxyzptlk) Silver badge

      Ranting 'cause you love to rant?

      Killing special Tasks: You have to be "SYSTEM", "TRUSTEDINSTALLER" or one of the other builtin special accounts. If you don't know how to do that you don't need to kill tasks which you cannot kill. Same goes for Service configurations: If you don't know how to change them despite MS trying to block you, you really shouldn't.

      Powershell not opening when there is no Internet: Tell us exactly how you achieved that, by default this is not true. But you can whack powershell into a configuration to make it so since Windows is still a somewhat open OS - which proves again that you should not have admin rights in fist place.

      You get a point for the telemetry stuff/data gathering, though if you use the normal control panel (on the pro version) it goes down to reporting program crashes and the like. But you can turn that off too.

      1. jake Silver badge

        Re: Ranting 'cause you love to rant?

        "which proves again that you should not have admin rights in fist place."

        Oh, do fuck off. It's my machine. I admin it, not Redmond.

        Out of curiosity, what flavo(u)r was the cool aid?

        1. sabroni Silver badge
          Boffin

          Re: Oh, do fuck off. It's my machine. I admin it, not Redmond.

          jake, no one on here would dare tell YOU how to admin a machine.

          I believe the OP was basically saying "you shouldn't fiddle with things you don't understand". We know you understand everything so obv it wouldn't apply to you.

          1. jake Silver badge

            Re: Oh, do fuck off. It's my machine. I admin it, not Redmond.

            So you honestly think that Microsoft should stop people from being allowed to mess with the equipment that they bought and paid for?

            But you'll make an exception for li'l ol' me? VERY magnanimous of you.

            1. keithpeter Silver badge
              Windows

              Re: Oh, do fuck off. It's my machine. I admin it, not Redmond.

              "So you honestly think that Microsoft should stop people from being allowed to mess with the equipment that they bought and paid for?"

              Sigh.

              I understand and agree with this reaction to the extent that I personally have decided not to use Windows but to stick to (slackware) Linux with OpenBSD as a fallback position.

              But.

              Software in the age of ubiquitous always-on distributed network connections is porous - think colostomy bag - and the writers of commercial software will want to move to charging rent rather than selling stand alone applications. So the boundary between our rights as customers/tenants and the software provider's rights as landlord is fractal and shifts. In the same way the dividing line between what is hardware (which I own) and software (which I have a licence to use subject to terms and conditions - e.g. a tenancy agreement) is pretty vague. Is the bios/boot code hardware or software?

              Also.

              Ordinary people (the ones who never come here) have problems managing a user name and a password and have problems saving files, let alone getting their head around processes on a CPU &c. Perhaps file sync to data stores in the 'cloud' (i.e. landlord's servers) is better for ordinary people.

              I dunno - views?

              Icon: I accepted some decades ago that I would always be the one outside in the street looking in on the feast.

              1. jake Silver badge

                Re: Oh, do fuck off. It's my machine. I admin it, not Redmond.

                "the writers of commercial software will want to move to charging rent rather than selling stand alone applications."

                They can want whatever they like. They are still not getting another dime of my money. FOSS solutions work just fine, and I can (and do) pay in kind. It does not bother me that some people use the code for free, and don't even bother finding out if they can contribute ... that's what it's there for.

                "Perhaps file sync to data stores in the 'cloud' (i.e. landlord's servers) is better for ordinary people."

                Why? Because they have to pay for it and/or give up all of their personal details and/or their firstborn (just wait ... ) in order to use it? How does that help them remember their username, password, and where, exactly, their files are stored? More to the point, how does that help a tech find their missing files, should that kind of help become necessary?

                I won't get into the concept of increasing the size of the attack surface with clouds, much less the unknown number of attack vectors introduced by clouds ...

          2. georgezilla

            Re: Oh, do fuck off. It's my machine. I admin it, not Redmond.

            But how do I get that understanding if I can't "fiddle" with it?

            Learning HOW to "fiddle" with it requires that I .............

            Wait for it ................

            FIDDLE WITH IT!

            < shakes head >

            So ...................

            His comment is bullshit.

            And yes he was telling us how to "admin" our machines.

            He said .............

            DON'T.

            But then if I want to break my machine.

            I can.

            I have that right.

            And after 22+ years of using it, I still break it every now and then.

            My OS respects my right to do it.

        2. Hubert Cumberdale Silver badge

          Re: Ranting 'cause you love to rant?

          I find myself in the strange position of agreeing with you.

      2. MrDamage Silver badge

        Re: Ranting 'cause you love to rant?

        I am the TRUSTEDINSTALLER. I installed the fucking OS.

        But it's not an OS anymore, is it? It's a data-gathering program disguised an an OS.

        1. Anonymous Coward
          Anonymous Coward

          Re: Ranting 'cause you love to rant?

          It's a data-gathering program very thinly disguised an an OS.

          FTFY

          1. sabroni Silver badge

            Re: It's a data-gathering program very thinly disguised an an OS.

            When did we start talking about Android?

            Oh right, that's OSS so the telemetry in there is fine........?

            1. jake Silver badge

              Re: It's a data-gathering program very thinly disguised an an OS.

              We didn't start talking about Android. You, on the other hand, did.

              To answer your non sequitur question: No, it's not fine. Nor did the poster suggest otherwise.

            2. Anonymous Coward
              Anonymous Coward

              Re: It's a data-gathering program very thinly disguised an an OS.

              "When did we start talking about Android?"

              LOL. I didn't say it was the only one.

              In fact, the shorter list would be which ones AREN'T data gathering devices disguised as a consumer device. And it may be multiple levels deep - ie. even if Google didn't want your data, Verizon obviously wants to keep their own tally of which pr0n sites you've visited on your phone so they know whether to slipstream ads for blue pills or tight leather.

            3. georgezilla

              Re: It's a data-gathering program very thinly disguised an an OS.

              Hint: When you start your argument with "Yea but ........"

              You don't actually have an argument.

              And that's what you did .....................

              Yea but Android ...........

      3. Anonymous Coward
        Anonymous Coward

        Re: Ranting 'cause you love to rant?

        <flashes highbeams>

        Hey, buddy! You're driving the wrong way!

        <flashes highbeams>

        You're northbound in a southbound lane.

        <flashes highbeams>

        There's gonna be carnage!

        1. Anonymous Coward
          Anonymous Coward

          Re: Ranting 'cause you love to rant?

          A nice gesture, but some people think that adding one more set of obstacles that have no UI controls is progress. (though even the are you really, really, really sure you want to see hidden system files and file extensions have a check box and the sky isn't falling). They can's stop themselves.

          That's what the oncoming truck is for.

          1. Anonymous Coward
            Anonymous Coward

            Re: That's what the oncoming truck is for.

            Urgent delivery of coherence?

        2. sabroni Silver badge

          Re: There's gonna be carnage!

          Oh, do fuck off. It's my machine. I admin it, not Redmond.

          1. jake Silver badge

            Re: There's gonna be carnage!

            There's an echo in here.

      4. LionelB Bronze badge

        Re: Ranting 'cause you love to rant?

        This. This is exactly why Windows will never make it on the desktop. You run into a seemingly straightforward issue - killing a rogue process - and end up having to jump through a sequence of obscure and badly-documented configuration hoops. Then you try to get advice on the forums and cop a load of snark from some smug git dissing you as a n00b.

        PS. couldn't they just have ported htop?

        1. jake Silver badge

          Re: Ranting 'cause you love to rant?

          ps and kill (when needed) work for me ... although I admit to a fondness for both top and htop.

  4. Pascal Monett Silver badge
    Devil

    "But hey – this is development code after all"

    Yeah, and it's name is Windows 11.

  5. LDS Silver badge

    Please bundle Process Explorer directly...

    ... and stop the Fluent Design "I wish I could look like a web page and waste as much screen estate as I could while neutering controls" philosophy....

    1. devin3782

      Re: Please bundle Process Explorer directly...

      Fluent design only an E and an F away from shit

    2. Jou (Mxyzptlk) Silver badge

      Re: Please bundle Process Explorer directly...

      You will have to go back to Windows 3.x if you insist on that. Remember "Active Desktop" from Windows 95? Making your desktop background a webpage, making your fast Win95 slow down to a jumping mouse and invited web-virii right to your desktop?

      1. katrinab Silver badge
        Mushroom

        Re: Please bundle Process Explorer directly...

        At least you could nuke that from orbit though.

        1. keithpeter Silver badge
          Childcatcher

          Re: Please bundle Process Explorer directly...

          Yes I had to for a set of 30 PCs in a college library along time ago in a different millennium. Teenagers can be really creative when they want to be.

          1. Pirate Dave Silver badge

            Re: Please bundle Process Explorer directly...

            Life as a college PC tech got much easier when we discovered DeepFreeze. Set all of the lab and Library PCs to reboot at 3:00 AM, then Deepfreeze them. Life is good (or, at least, better).

      2. jake Silver badge

        Re: Please bundle Process Explorer directly...

        "web-virii"

        In English, virii is properly pronounced viruses. In Latin, the word virii doesn't exist.

        See the FAQ, section F, question 3.

        1. Anonymous Coward
          Anonymous Coward

          Re: Please bundle Process Explorer directly...

          I like the fact that you both followed the FAQ, and ignored it in equal measure :-)

          Quote: "The correct English plural of "virus" is "viruses". The Latin word is a mass noun (like "air") and, therefore, there is no correct Latin plural.

          Please use "viruses", and if people use other forms, please do *not* use Virus-L/comp.virus to correct them."

          1. jake Silver badge

            Re: Please bundle Process Explorer directly...

            "you both followed the FAQ, and ignored it in equal measure"

            I did nothing of the sort. I pointed the user at the FAQ, not the mailing list or newsgroup. That's what the FAQ is for, to take a portion of the load off the more interactive forums.

      3. ICL1900-G3 Bronze badge
        Headmaster

        Re: Please bundle Process Explorer directly...

        The plural of virus is viruses.

        1. dajames Silver badge

          Re: Please bundle Process Explorer directly...

          The plural of virus is viruses.

          No, no, has Covid taught you nothing?

          The plural of virus is pandemic.

          1. F. Frederick Skitty

            Re: Please bundle Process Explorer directly...

            Isn't that a broad distribution of just one virus?

    3. Paul 195

      Re: Please bundle Process Explorer directly...

      Sysinternals tools like procexp are stunningly good. I miss them on other platforms I work on (MacOS, different flavours of Linux), where they don't have anything that combines their intuitive usability and sheer firepower.

    4. Def Silver badge
      Stop

      Re: Please bundle Process Explorer directly...

      No! No no no no no!

      If Process Explorer were to become a mainstream application, it would immediately be given a UI "refresh" by a bunch of (possibly well meaning, but totally incompetent) muppets. Let's just leave it where it is.

  6. heyrick Silver badge

    Microsoft recommended a reboot

    They've been saying that since Windows 95...

    1. DJV Silver badge

      Re: Microsoft recommended a reboot

      I'd recommend a reboot up Microsoft's arse*!

      *or "donkey" for left-pondians.

      1. jake Silver badge

        Re: Microsoft recommended a reboot

        If you don't want to be seen making an ass of yourself, you might want to ask someone why Shakespeare's Bottom was an ass ...

        1. Precordial thump

          Re: Microsoft recommended a reboot

          Another opportunity to remind ourselves of the difference between homophones (two words that sound the same or similar) and homonyms (two different meanings of the same spelled word).

          I stand to be corrected, but Bill S could probably tell his arse (G. Arsch) from his ass (L. asinus).

          It takes a septic to conflate the two.

        2. Evil_Goblin

          Re: Microsoft recommended a reboot

          It’s an ass-onance based pun, well done for realising…

          https://openjournals.libs.uga.edu/borrowers/article/view/2346/2361

    2. jake Silver badge

      Re: Microsoft recommended a reboot

      They've been saying that since before MS-DOS 2.x

      1. bpfh
        Joke

        Re: Microsoft recommended a reboot

        Well, I had apps that said Windows 3.1 or better, and I followed that to the letter, installed OS/2 (OK, that joke should be dragged out the back and put out of it's misery).

        Off topic, I Will admit though that after playing around with OS/2 as my daily drive for 6 months, was how I managed to land my first job at Big Blue. Apparently entry-level OS/2 fanboys were as rare as rocking horse shit in the 90's, and it's included semi pre-emptive Windows 3.1 offering was way more stable than Redmond's native offering for some unknown reason!

        1. jake Silver badge

          Re: Microsoft recommended a reboot

          You can get a shiny new OS/2 license for $129/seat. Runs nicely on (some) up-to-date and modern hardware. Worth looking at, if you feel the need for that kind of thing. Recommended.

          https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/ArcaOS

          1. Binraider Silver badge

            Re: Microsoft recommended a reboot

            If the price tag weren't so steep I'd be willing to try arcaos out. It is a chicken and egg situation, the price can't come down without uptake, or baking ms style shiat in to pay for it

  7. Chris G Silver badge

    Windows could do with two task managers, one for killing unwanted processes and one to provide a clear path for Windows developers that leads to a fully functional OS that the customers wants.

    Don't expect to see either anytime soon.

    1. Jou (Mxyzptlk) Silver badge

      Recommending Process Hacker. My most loved feature: I can set tasks to low priority + low i/o priority (ffmpeg for example) and make it REMEMBER that setting for the selected program.

  8. tiggity Silver badge

    Don't tend to use windows task manager

    I use Process Hacker, as its more useful (you may have issues in corporate environments though as a lot of AV & similar "security software" flags it as a nasty, because it has (obv.) lots of low level functionality they deem suspect. You can get the code and build your own to be sure there's no hidden nasties (AV will still whinge though)

  9. Uncle Ron

    Who Cares?

    I couldn't care less what Microsoft's "plans" for Windows 11 are. Until they rescind their elimination of ALL my home PC's and notebooks from using it, MY plan is to go to Linux Mint when support for 10 is dropped. I'm gone from MS forever. Goodbye. (It wasn't so nice knowing 'ya.)

    1. Phil Opian-tube
      Thumb Up

      Re: Who Cares?

      When you do make the change be patient. Linux is not Windows and there is learning curve. It can be frustrating at first but after a few weeks it gets easier and a joy to use. Like many others have said, "I wish I switched sooner". The refreshing feeling that YOUR machine is 100% under YOUR control. It does what you tell it. It does not have hidden masters pulling strings and spying on you. It's stable and runs for weeks before YOU restart it. It upgrades only when you allow it and you can chose what updates if ever.

      1. Anonymous Coward
        Anonymous Coward

        @Phil Opian-tube - Re: Who Cares?

        Getting out of Windows has a steep learning curve no matter which direction you take. It's like getting out of a hole.

      2. Anonymous Coward
        Anonymous Coward

        @Phil Opian-tube - Re: Who Cares?

        Exactly! With Linux and *BSD, the PC trusts you and you trust the PC. This doesn't come free but best part is you can always fall back into the welcoming, warm, infantilizing arms of Windows where you'll be protected from harming yourself.

        1. jtaylor Bronze badge

          Re: @Phil Opian-tube - Who Cares?

          "With Linux and *BSD, the PC trusts you and you trust the PC."

          Except OpenBSD. There, "trust" must be earned by studying the FAQ and Manual. In their defence, the documentation is very good.

      3. martinusher Silver badge

        Re: Who Cares?

        I don't find this constant fiddling with user interfaces very useful but then I'm not an enthusiast. I'm just trying to get work done.

        As for Linux Mint, I installed it on my Windows 10 machine as a boot option. Now I only bring up Windows 10 occasionally, when I've got some spare time to wait for the updates to load. You can tell that Win10 is a bit off because compared to mint its quite sluggish and the processor fan's working overtime. (Win10 never really shuts down when idle, Linux does.)

      4. Tams

        Re: Who Cares?

        But... Windows does what I want it to do and I can run all the programs that I want.

        Linux/BSD are nice and all, but from my experience there's always something not working properly and, no matter the DE, it always looks a bit more ugly than Windows (even after Microsoft UI botches).

        And then there's the Linux/GNU/whatever community, that on the whole I find to be preachy and have a lot of people who think very highly of themselves. I'd almost rather use TikTok than ask them anything.

        1. sabroni Silver badge
          Happy

          Re: And then there's the Linux/GNU/whatever community

          Yeah, no matter how good their OS is who wants to hang with smug nerds?

          (To be fair, judging by the comments on here, community is a stretch.....)

          1. georgezilla

            Re: And then there's the Linux/GNU/whatever community

            So using a crap OS is better then hanging out with smug nerds?

            Okaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaayyyyyyyyyyyyy .....................

            But me?

            I'll take the smug nerds if it means that I can do with my OS what I want.

        2. bpfh

          Re: Who Cares?

          I have to agree on this. MacOS is a solution if you absolutely have to use MS Office in some capacity and retain a coherent UI across the years, but sometimes their forced multiple desktops with one app per desktop that blocks you from having 2 apps on the same screen drives me nuts (Option+Click maximise for the win, but it's still a PITA).

          Unfortunately, I cannot get a modernish MacOS to run as a hackintosh on my Dell's at my disposal without having the same gritty issues as Linux or BSD - something is not going to work properly, and it's either audio, video, function keys - and when you finally get most of that working, you find out that the bloody machine won't resume after suspend, and I'm too much of a cheapskate to dump 1000 euros on what was (intel processor days) an entry level PC that I could get for half the price or less from some of the other reputable makers (or maybe a 3rd from the less reputable ones. Acer I'm looking at you, where you secure your chassis and parts with blue loctite coated screws that fall out on their own and then claim non warranty misuse...).

          Personally, I would love to return to the Windows 2000 days. You had a robust OS you could generally hack around on your own without having many svchost.exe managed tasks running higher than admin and you could "easily" force a working system down to use less than 24 megs of RAM on after first boot and didn't require farting around an add-on command line console to (try and generally fail to) purge system services that you have absolutely no use for (some registry fettling required I will admit).

          I've wanted to try to get a Win10 down to a similar level of bare bones, but it does not seem to be something that can reasonably done in a day without having some sort of critical system failure that requires 2 hours of system restore or full reinstall...

          1. Cliffwilliams44 Bronze badge

            Re: Who Cares?

            One of the nicest features of Windows XP was Hardware Profiles.

            You could setup a hardware profile where only the services you needed were started, shut off all unnecessary startup programs, even shut off AV software. It was great for getting every last ounce of processing power for gaming.

            I was not happy when that was removed from Windows 7.

          2. jake Silver badge

            Re: Who Cares?

            Aye. Win2K was peak Microsoft.

        3. martinusher Silver badge

          Re: Who Cares?

          The same could be said about Windows. For me the biggest irritation Windows offers is its mishandling of USB ports. This probably doesn't affect most users but if you're a developer who uses a JTAG debugger and one or more serial ports then you'll rapidly find out that Windows (assuming the driver actually works) ties physical ports to specific USB devices. Fixing this is relatively straightforward at home but in a curated work environment you have to be Administrator to do this which requires -- at best -- a separate login.....its just horrible. Linux 'just works'.

          Incidentally, another place I ran into Windows's 'didn't quite figure it out' policy was working the polls in last November's election (in the US). The Dominion voter terminals are Windows based and they connect to a laser printer to print a voter's ballot. When voting spans several days you have to pack up everything at the end of a session (its locked into a steel cage). When you come to hook everything up again you rapidly discover that nothing works unless you match a specific printer with a specific voting machine. Windows won't tell you who/what/why, it just issues a generic error and sulks, leaving the polling place staff limited time to figure everything out. Linux, "never a problem".

          1. Def Silver badge
            Joke

            Re: Who Cares?

            Linux, "never a problem".

            Is that because you could never get Linux to print anything in the first place? ;)

            1. jake Silver badge

              Re: Who Cares?

              Linux printing problems pretty much went away twenty+ years ago.

              Old jokes are old.

            2. georgezilla

              Re: Who Cares?

              " ... Is that because you could never get Linux to ... "

              Key word in that is YOU.

              And the fact that Linux is not to blame for the lack of support from manufactures.

              But hey, when YOU can't do something, its always easier to place the blame somewhere else.

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        1. georgezilla

          Re: Who Cares?

          So just how exactly is that the fault of Linux?

          Clue: It's not.

      6. dajames Silver badge

        Re: Who Cares?

        Linux is not Windows and there is learning curve.

        But, on the bright side, part of the point of this article is that Windows 11 is not Windows (as users know it) either, so there will be a learning curve anyway.

      7. Kobus Botes
        Happy

        Re: Who Cares?

        @Phil Opian-tube & Ucle Ron

        It is just a matter of unfamiliarity. Whenever I now need to do something on/in Windows, 9 times out of ten I have to google in order to find out how to do it (the only Windows machine I need to touch belongs to my better half). And when I do, it feels so.... limited.

        I have been using Linux on my PC's and laptops since 2004. Started off with Mandrake, followed it to Mandriva and then went with Mageia when Mandriva started losing the plot.

  10. Potemkine! Silver badge
    Facepalm

    Stupid

    Microsoft removed the familiar right-click-on-the-taskbar approach of old for Windows 11 and adopted a slightly odd right-click-on-the-start-button method instead.

    What's the point, except pissing out users??

    Why changing those kind of things people are used to? It just makes things harder to be done.

    1. Geoffrey W

      Re: Stupid

      I Agree, but it's hardly a Motte and Bailey keeping out marauders from tinkering with a few innards. Once you're aware how to do it you're off and running and will soon forget there was ever an alternative. And it was already on the start right click anyway so there's already a bunch of people who won't even notice the change.

      I can't believe I'm defending Microsoft but, come on guys! Really!

    2. Phil Opian-tube
      Big Brother

      Re: Stupid

      The point is M$ and windows is part of the new world order. The constant tinkering, blatant spy ware and control is all conditioning. Spyware used to be illegal but when it is a mass surveillance tool used by governments it gets a pass. And still the mass use it?? Ask yourself why you still use it.

      1. Anonymous Coward
        Anonymous Coward

        Re: Stupid

        "Ask yourself why you still use it."

        Because the nanobots in my Covid vaccine tell me to?

        Sorry, I'll let myself out, thanks.

      2. Snake Silver badge

        Re: Stupid questions

        "And still the mass use it?? Ask yourself why you still use it."

        Must we continue to reply to the same ridiculous question??

        We use APPS, not OS's. What I mean by that is we spend 90% of our time interfacing with a application that modifies or creates our data - Photoshop, AutoCAD, Premier, InDesign, ProTools, Bloomberg workstations, Quicken, plus thousands upon thousands of specialized industry-specific apps.

        When Linux can boast running these apps NATIVELY and *not* inside an emulator or compatibility layer, both of which can cause incompatibility and increased administration...

        Get. Back. To. Us.

        1. jake Silver badge

          Re: Stupid questions

          I don't use APPS. I use programs.

          The only tool you list that I use is AutoCAD ...ACad2K on Win2K, to be precise. It works perfectly (is over-kill, even) for my needs, no need to ever upgrade. I am slowly moving to a FOSS solution, though.

          Before you say it, the NT system is airgapped.

          In the last couple decades, the down-time spent upgrading/patching/swearing at the tools I choose to run is on the order of perhaps 5 minutes per month. Maybe. In a bad month. One of my laptops is coming up on twenty years old, still runs my solution for tools (including the NT system, with dual boot, if needed). Yourself? How much money have you/your employer had to spend chasing Redmond in all that time? Costing you/your employer how much money?

          Not quite so ridiculous a question, now is it?

          1. Michael Strorm

            Re: Stupid questions

            > I don't use APPS. I use programs.

            I'm not sure if that was an implicit dig at the (apparent) smartphone/tablet terminology, but "app" as shorthand for "application software" was used for desktop computer software decades before the iPhone launched.

            1. jake Silver badge

              Re: Stupid questions

              I do not remember "app" beginning to be used as common shorthand until roughly 2005, and it didn't really take off until the release of the first iPhone (2007?) ... Prior to that, "Application Software" was used in contracts (and by suits), "program" was used by everybody else. Smaller programs were called "utilities" or "tools". Some used "executable files" (or .exes) and ".com files" on DOS. There was also separation of binaries, filters and scripts.

              But APPS? Not so much. Not in my memory, anyway. With one exception ... the proverbial "killer app" (mid 1980s?), which was mostly just used as a term in the media and by certain rah-rah types in marketing (see: iPhone, above).

          2. Cliffwilliams44 Bronze badge

            Re: Stupid questions

            And obviously you are a complete 1 off user.

            I run Linux are my primary OS and I am an Administrator of an Active Directory Windows Network.

            But I also have a VM running windows as there are still things you cannot do under Linux to Administer a Windows Active Directory.

            As far as regular users, Office is a road block to Linux. You can claim the Libre is a competent replacement but it just isn't! So much in Libre is clunky and clumsy compared to Office. In regards to BI Calc just doesn't have the functionality that Excel does. Even something as simple a a pivot table is so clunky in Calc and so easy and intuitive in Excel. When MS creates a cross platform Office (and it may happen) then Linux "might" become a viable alternative.

        2. georgezilla

          Re: Stupid questions

          < heavy sigh >

          So you don't actually don't understand exactly what .....

          "Linux is not Windows"

          .... means.

          And no you apparently don't, because ...............

          "... Photoshop, AutoCAD, Premier, InDesign, ProTools, Bloomberg workstations, Quicken, plus thousands upon thousands of specialized industry-specific apps. ... "

          Which are all .................

          Windows apps.

          And that is NOT a Linux problem.

          No matter what you think.

      3. werdsmith Silver badge

        Re: Stupid

        Ask yourself why you still use it.

        That’s a bit like asking why railways still use standard guage.

        1. Anonymous Coward
          Anonymous Coward

          Re: Stupid

          "That’s a bit like asking why railways still use standard guage."

          Which one of the many in use worldwide do you consider "standard gauge"?

          1. Francis Boyle

            Re: Stupid

            Probably, the one that God* himself decreed to be 4'8½" and which has been known ever since as "standard gauge" and which according to Wikipedia constitutes 55% of all rail mileage.

            *It might have been George Stephenson. One of those two.

          2. werdsmith Silver badge

            Re: Stupid

            “ Which one of the many in use worldwide do you consider "standard gauge"?”

            I consider the one known as standard gauge to be standard gauge.

            How about you?

        2. georgezilla

          Re: Stupid

          " ... Ask yourself why you still use it. ... "

          That's an irrelevant question in my case.

          Because I don't.

          I learned better a long time ago.

          Linux daily driver for 22+ years.

          Back when using it was ACTUALLY HARD.

  11. daflibble
    Trollface

    Burn all down and start again it's time for star shaped corners and blinking text next year.

    Why hasn't windows 12 been announced yet?

    1. Geoffrey W

      Nothing is burning down except a few commenters. They moved some stuff from the top to the left, and some stuff from the left to the top. So they rotated a few things. Agreed, it's a bit pointless, but it's hardly a great fire of london. It looked pretty much the same since Windows 8.1. I haven't checked with the blessed windows 7 [genuflect...genuflect] because I can't be arsed finding where I stuck those machines.

      1. Doctor Syntax Silver badge

        The principle of interfaces when they came into computer science was that the interface, by remaining unchanged* enabled the developer to improve the the implementation behind it whilst not requiring the user of the interface to change in step. What does the I in GUI stand for? That's right - interface. So why is that simple principle not being followed?

        What really gets up my nose about this is that Microsoft imposes non-optional GUI changes on its victims supporters who then argue that Microsoft can't be ditched for anything else because of the training costs it would involve. Stockholm Syndrome?

        * Of course a new facility could require the interface to be augmented but it shouldn't be broken.

        1. jake Silver badge

          "Stockholm Syndrome?"

          Of course it is.

          The cognitive dissonance displayed by Windows supporters/advocates is breathtaking.

          1. Snake Silver badge

            Re: cognitive dissonance

            Really?? So you'll stand here and tell me with a straight face that Linux UI interfaces have NEVER, EVER changed?

            Thought so.

            1. jake Silver badge

              Re: cognitive dissonance

              Can you point to where, exactly, I ever said (or even hinted) at that?

              Thought not.

            2. georgezilla

              Re: cognitive dissonance

              No, I won't.

              But I will tell you that I have a choice.

              One that I can easily and freely change to my hearts content.

              Can you?

        2. Cliffwilliams44 Bronze badge

          And Gnome is "Different"? "Better"?

          Gnome 3, to me, is completely unusable in a desktop environment. For some reason they thought Gnome was going to be used on tablets, touch screens but it's not! At least MS had the sense to walk away from the disaster that was Windows 8 but the Gnome team seems perpetually "stuck on stupid!" Not only that but don't question their methods or design because "They know so much more that you mere humans do!"

          This is why I use Cinnamon! It's a simple, standardized, familiar user interface that I can use without any "where the hell is what I want!"

          1. georgezilla

            That's why I still use Gnome 2.

            Well Mate.

            Same thing.

            Sort of.

    2. Anonymous Coward
      Anonymous Coward

      Windows 12 will be the apology edition

      Just like windows 7 was the apology for vista and 10 the apology for 8.

      11 is a turkey release, 12 can't be announced until AFTER the burning platforms speech for 11, and after at least the 2nd attempt for a forced migration off 10. It's like Christmas. You can't open your presents until you take down the old Halloween decorations an put up the tree, but you also gotta at least wait for them to show up under it on Christmas eve.

      Or maybe I'm just looking forward to whatever comes after 11 with a little too much anticipation.

      1. Roland6 Silver badge

        Re: Windows 12 will be the apology edition

        Lets hope MS learnt the lesson of 8 and have a clean version of the Windows 10 code base ie. one without the 11 UI 'enhancements' and so reverting to an earlier branch with minimal rework is possible.

      2. dajames Silver badge

        Re: Windows 12 will be the apology edition

        Just like windows 7 was the apology for vista and 10 the apology for 8.

        Methinks 8.1 was the apology for 8. 10 was the punishment for still preferring 7.

      3. Anonymous Coward
        Anonymous Coward

        Re: Windows 12 will be the apology edition

        "You can't open your presents until you take down the old Halloween decorations an put up the tree, "

        Hmm - some of my Halloween decorations are still in place from 2019. The neighbours' kids still want to clap their hands to cause the spiders to drop - or press the button on the Ghoul clock The neighbours have been told the Xmas "tree" lights will definitely be switched off at Candlemas - even though it is likely they will ask for an extension until Easter.

    3. georgezilla

      " ... Why hasn't windows 12 been announced yet? ... "

      Because Windows 10 will be the last Windows EVER.

      Or so we were told by Microsoft.

  12. rmullen0

    The picture in the article is wrong

    Why do you have a picture of Windows XP Task Manager? Microsoft changed the look of that a long time ago. The article doesn't even make sense.

  13. ComputerSays_noAbsolutelyNo Silver badge

    "But hey – this is development code after all." Yeah, nah.

    Hmm, when I was recently setting up some new computers for colleagues, the pre-installed Windows 10 asked me if I wanted to update to Windows 11. It asked liek some websites ask whether you like to allow cookies or whether you like to allow cookies.

    Fortunately paid-for Windows 10 still allows you to remain on Windows 10.

    "... a fix to stop Explorer crashing for some users when hardware volume control buttons are jabbed."

    Is there any bug description that is more Windows?

    1. Anonymous Coward
      Anonymous Coward

      Re: "But hey – this is development code after all." Yeah, nah.

      Probably not, but the crash reporter crashing again might be close.

      Or is that a feature? Either way it's been marked WONTFIX.

  14. Al fazed Bronze badge
    Happy

    OOPS!

    Thoght it said, anaesthetic......

    ALF

  15. Doctor Syntax Silver badge

    How about implementing top to be run from the command line?

  16. ShadowSystems

    This is why some are still on Win7.

    Win7 is stable & lets us get shit done.

    Along comes Win8, nobody can find anything, the UI blows goats, & the outcry is such that MS is forced to release an update to restore some of the functionality. Meanwhile Win7 users take a "wait & see" attitude in the hopes MS will release an OS that lets us get shit done.

    Along comes Win10 that makes Win8 look like visual & functional sanity in comparison. Nobody likes it, it takes forever for folks to figure out where all the functionality has gone (to either work around via MS approved means or to find a 3rd party utility to force the fix down MS' throat), and folks are still having trouble getting shit done. Meanwhile Win7 users are still waiting.

    Then comes Win11 & cranks the idiocy up to eleven. Functionality gone, useability gone, UI designed by a drunken myopic colour blind Vogon, and to put shit flavoured frosting on an already shit flavoured cake, MS doubles down on all the shit nobody wants, to remove all the shit they need to get shit done. Meanwhile Win7 users are still waiting.

    Yes Win7 is a security issue waiting to be exploited by n'er-do-wells, but Win10/11 has become a security, useability, & functionality shit show exploited by MS itself. Damned if you stay, damned if you "upgrade", so WTF is the answer?

    "Just use Linux" isn't really an option for some. From legacy software that is bespoke & nobody has created a newer version to replace (think CNC control software, ancient interface software for hardware nobody makes anymore, etc), or software the Linux community hasn't been interested in creating (and no, the typical person off the street is not about to write the replacement code themselves), Linux can be the answer a lot of the time, but when it's not, it's a deal-breaker that stops the migration dead in it's tracks.

    Win7 may be old & crotchety, but then so am I, and at least it lets me get shit done.

    Win10/11 is new, shiny, & about as useful as bollocks on a tuba. =-/

    1. Anonymous Coward
      Anonymous Coward

      Re: This is why some are still on Win7.

      Yeah, I agree that windows 7 was one of the good ones. It was a huge leap back in the correct direction compared to vista.

      8 was inexcusable.

      10 actually made some huge improvements. It's got a great core, and if the same people that broke 8 and Vista didn't wrap a huge turd around the core of 10 in could have been brilliant. They should have just finished moving the old 95-98 stuff into the new settings UI and called it a day on the UI side.

      11 was never going to be that. It only exists to push a hardware upgrade cycle for for Microsoft's hardware partners that were on the ropes pre-covid. They where pissed that microsoft made them look bad by selling better than a cookie cutter ultrabook knockoff and 11 was them mending fences in the channel.

      It turns out that nature had other plans for us all, and the PC market rebounded before they could finish 11.

      The window 10 team probably would have kept the release train going for another couple years. It doesn't matter much. Nobody is going to be pushing windows 11 only software too soon. Get on the LTS train with the rest of us apes and wait them out.

    2. dajames Silver badge

      Re: This is why some are still on Win7.

      ... about as useful as bollocks on a tuba.

      I am SO stealing that!

    3. smot

      Re: This is why some are still on Win7.

      So what shit can't you do in Win 10/11?

      (Ok, I switched to Ubuntu when Vista arrived, but I still need to use WinX in VMs for Delphi dev.)

      The start button moved. Wow, That REALLY stops me from doing shit. The right-click popup menu has cut 'n' paste piccies instead of text lines. Now I'm stumped as I'm unable to click little buttons and I seem to forget to use Ctl/C & V.

      So many here complain of things like the Control Panel / Settings muddle, yet attempts to resolve this type of issue cause constant derision.

      My only gripe with Win 7 -> 10 -> 11 is the corresponding increase in telemetry. I think I can handle all those tricky changes to the UI. In all other respects for me it Gets Shit Done.

      1. ShadowSystems

        Re: This is why some are still on Win7.

        I am totally blind & require a screen reader to interface with the computer at all. Given the frequency MS causes the underlying OS to go TITSUP (Total Inability To Support User Processes) & that those bits have to be stable for the reader to run on, I can't even count on the OS to stay running from reboot to reboot. I can't see to do a roll-back to a previously known state, there's no reader in Safe Mode so no interaction possible on my part, thus my only fix is to take it to someone like the BestBuy GeekSquad & *pay* to have them repair the screw ups that MS has forced down the pipe. I can't afford that.

        Even when the OS runs reasonably well for a time (IE: I've refused to reboot) I can't find half the shit I need to get shit done. Sighted folks can simply scan the screen, find a menu item or icon or whatnot, but I have to let the reader read the entire screen to me, try to determine which of the goobledygook might be the bit I need, then try & figure out how to trigger that bit. I can't see to use a pointing device, I have to use the keyboard, and MS has gone out of it's way to render the UI into a visual-only fuster cluck of iconography. No keyboard shortcut means I can't get to it. Yes I know copy, paste, select all, etc, but those don't do any good if I'm trying to figure out WTF to do to get Windows to give me access to a "hamburger menu icon" that my reader describes as "elipsys". Yes, three dots, sooooo?

        I've got my primary Win7 machine to get shit done with, plus a Win10 machine to try & figure out how to use it enough to make the switch. I've been at this for *YEARS* and every time I think I might be getting a handle on it, MS goes & changes everything yet again, adds functions over here, removes them from over there, moves the controls somewhere else, tweaks the UI to randomize shit into yet another cluster fuck, & then, just to make sure there's no bloody way in hell I can afford to switch, breaks random shit that causes the Win10 machine to stop working. I end up having to take the machine to the BB GS to fix it, pay to get it rolled back, & then have to keep it off the internet lest the auto update cause it to happen all over again.

        "Just use the LTSB like the rest of us." That's nice, but *HOW*? AFAIK it's not for sale to regular people off the street, BestBuy nor NewEgg knows WTF it is to try & sell me a copy, so I'm stuck with the plebe version of Win7Pro64 & Win10Pro that came with the machines on which they're run.

        *Frustrated sigh*

        1. jake Silver badge
          Pint

          Re: This is why some are still on Win7.

          "*Frustrated sigh*"

          I hear that all the way up here in Sonoma. Relax, have a beer.

          Question for you ... are you aware of the Knoppix Linux distribution's "Adriane" option? In a nutshell, it is developed by a guy and his wife, who is blind. It's been in continuous development for about 15 years now, so it's not a flash in the pan.

          A live CD or DVD image of the latest version (9.1) can be downloaded from the usual mirrors ... It addresses most, if not all, of the gripes you are venting about when it comes to Redmond's clusterfuck. It's based on Debian, so is as up to date as anything else. A couple friends of mine use it, and report Klaus and Adriane (his wife's name is Adriane, thus the name) are quite responsive to feedback, both positive and respectful negative.

          The basic distro is one of the easiest Linux distros to use ... I sometimes suggest it to newbies because of the well thought out live CD and DVD. Simply enter "adriane64" as a boot option to start Knoppix with the screen reader and other helpful bits and bobs running. It'll find your network. The text browser is elinks. It supports braille terminals. (Entering "adriane" as your boot option runs the 32-bit version, if your hardware is old or you prefer it that way.)

          For more:http://knopper.net/knoppix-adriane/index-en.html

          The forum:http://knoppix.net/forum/forum.php

          Knoppix official mirrors: http://knopper.net/knoppix-mirrors/index-en.html

          1. ShadowSystems

            At Jake, re: Knoppix.

            I am aware of Adriane. I have even tried to use it a few times. I have determined that I am cursed.

            Both my primary machine (Win7Pro64) and the Win10 machine are both Intel NUC's. The primary is a 4th gen I3 at 1.8GHz, 16Gb RAM, & a 250Gb SSD. The Win10 machine is an 8th? gen I5 at 2.?GHz, 32Gb RAM, & a 512Gb NVMe SSD.

            I'm not sure I could get a machine any better supported WRT hardware drivers.

            So I plug in the USB DVD, insert the Adriane DVD, and... nothing. I type in "Adriane" in the hopes it's just sitting at the menu, but nothing happens. I grab a sighted helper to BeMyEyes & watch the normally unused/unplugged monitor, but they claim the screen just sits at a "Loading..." prompt with no other clues.

            I unplug the DVD, use just a bootable USB stick with the ISO burned to it, & move the stick to the Win10 machine. Insert stick, reboot, aaaaand... silence.

            Again, sighted helper to BME, this time they describe the boot menu, I walk them through to boot to the ISO, aaaaaand... nothing.

            It didn't find the audio subsystem to initialize it & start talking to me.

            I know the speakers are on/working, I'm simply moving the AUX-input cable from the primary to the secondary, it works with the primary, but the secondary stay silent. I know the secondary's audio works, it's just fine under Win10.

            I can't get my sighted helper to admit there's an error message I can use to research on the primary system, so I'm left unable to get Adriane, Vinux, nor any other talking distro to do so.

            It's enough to make me thankful I already shave my head bald, otherwise I'd be tearing my hair out in frustrated fistfulls... =-/

            *Accepts the drink & drinks half of it in one go*

            I would *LOVE* to be using Linux rather than Windows, but so far my luck has proven I'm cursed to zombie-shuffle along under Win7 rather than sprinting under a distro...

    4. georgezilla

      Re: This is why some are still on Win7.

      " ... UI designed by a drunken myopic colour blind Vogon ... "

      No need to insult Vogons.

  17. Marty McFly Silver badge
    Mushroom

    Task Manager must be killed...

    Otherwise users may be able to see all the extra garbage MSFT is running on the system.

    Remember, 'Monetizing the user after the sale' has been Redmond's strategy for the better part of the past decade.

  18. fidodogbreath Silver badge

    Am I missing something? The Windows 10 Task Manager was re-designed (with the requisite whitespace, flatness and spidery fonts) a long time ago. The linked Windows 11 Task Manager screen shot looks like a slightly re-skinned version of the current Windows 10 version -- some basic system info added across the top and the old-skool menus converted to icons on the left sidebar.

    1. Jou (Mxyzptlk) Silver badge

      You didn't miss it. With Windows 8/10 it was extended, showing GPU usage, and showing how much of the RAM still needs to be flushed to disk, showing disk activity statistics and so on.

      But there is not much sense in reskinning it - I bet they take away good usability. Like with the taskbar. Or the wasted space with "suggestions" on the new start menu which you cannot turn of. And *rant*rant*rant*....

    2. LDS Silver badge

      "old-skool menus converted to icons on the left sidebar"

      Menus are good because you can change settings and invoke commands without leaving the actual context. The fact that web developers and designer can't design and code menus and resorted to separate "pages" just shows they have really no clue about application design and ergonomics. If I wanted an animated book, I would have bought one.

  19. jake Silver badge

    "the Windows 11 design aesthetic"?

    Aesthetic? Oh, c'mon ElReg, I know that beauty is in the eye of the beholder and all that ... but are you seriously suggesting there is anything resembling art in the design of the Windows 11 interface?

  20. StrangerHereMyself Bronze badge

    Windows is a mess

    I'm aghast that even minor changes to completely unimportant applications such as Windows Notepad and Calculator are front-page headlines on ICT webzines. Come on, people, what ARE you thinking writing about such dribble?

    Windows is completely schizophrenic with half the UI being "modern" and the other half stuck in the early '90's. Any other company producing such junk would've sunk within a year.

    1. werdsmith Silver badge

      Re: Windows is a mess

      It’s important to trigger natural born whingers who think their world is the universe and let them get some windows/Microsoft ranting off their chest.

      The rest of the world doesn’t give a shit. Because it doesn’t matter.

      1. Anonymous Coward
        Anonymous Coward

        Re: Windows is a mess

        "The rest of the world doesn’t give a shit. Because it doesn’t matter"

        When W8 through 10 came out I told my friends and family that I was staying with W7. Therefore I would not have the familiarity to talk them through problems over the phone - or even in exchange for a meal.

        Most of them have now given up on Windows 10 and use Apple or Android devices. Several have converted their kids' laptops to Chromebooks for remote learning during lockdown.

        One or two still come to me to dry their tears because W10 has suddenly stopped them doing something they've done for years.

        1. werdsmith Silver badge

          Re: Windows is a mess

          Tell them to stop farting about with the os and get on with using the applications.

    2. dajames Silver badge

      Re: Windows is a mess

      I'm aghast that even minor changes to completely unimportant applications such as Windows Notepad and Calculator are front-page headlines on ICT webzines. Come on, people, what ARE you thinking writing about such dribble?

      Methinks that what is interesting, here, though perhaps not actually "newsworthy" within the meaning of the act is that Microsoft are still capable of taking an unexceptionable and unregarded piece of the supporting software of their OS and tweaking it for no good reason and ending up making it worse. It seems they will never learn.

  21. ian 28

    ProcessExplorer from SysInternals

    Been using ProcessExplorer as a Task Manager replacement for about ten years. Highly recommend it.

    Their start up tasks editor is a godsend too

  22. Sparkus Bronze badge

    Heaven help us....

    If the MSFT UX 'managers' every get their fangs into sysinternals.........

    1. LDS Silver badge
      Joke

      Re: Heaven help us....

      Maybe as long as Mark Russinovich is around they don't dare, but he's white and male (don't know about his gender/sexual preferences, never cared about them, his books and code are enough), so probably there will be request to replace him in the name of diversity....

      1. jake Silver badge
        Pint

        Re: Heaven help us....

        THAT'S NOT FUNNY, MAN!

        Have a beer. And an upvote :-)

  23. anthonyhegedus

    Doesn't bloody work

    I'm on the dev channel on one of my machines and the first time you go to the performance tab after a reboot, it closes the task manager. Subsequent tries evoke a blank tab with nothing showing

  24. Adelio Silver badge

    So, less and less reason for me to ever switch to windows 11

  25. oiseau Silver badge
    FAIL

    When?

    First they came for Notepad.

    Yes.

    Now they're coming for Task Manager ...

    So it seems.

    But ...

    When will they come for Windows? 8^P

    O.

  26. theBatman

    I take the point that Task Manager is less effective than it used to be

    But apart from that this story was really a bit yawnworthy. I'm questioning if it's a story at all. The "slightly odd right-click-on-the-start-button" method doesn't strike me as odd at all, particularly as we've had it since Windows 10.

    I did enjoy the meme, however, and sent it to my 12 year old who says I don't understand them.

    Sent from my Mac

  27. anonymous boring coward Silver badge

    Tinkering with task manager in order to get a more coherent GUI?

    There are tonnes of incoherent stuff in Windows 10, and that's the most urgent they can come up with?

    I wonder if Windows 11 will be a "Vista"?

    1. Binraider Silver badge

      There is the much used trope of every other desktop release being good, though I fear that ended at 8.

      Any OS baking hardcore spyware into itself (so, Android, iOS, Windows) without sane means of disabling it gets a black mark from me.

      Server 2019 as a desktop is quite usable, close UI to 7 behaviour, good compatibility and far easier to control garbage. Happily recommend those that can't ditch Windows to try it for those workloads. Not tried 2022 out yet but the free trial has been out a little while now.

      Ironically, Vista, with good drivers and adequate hardware was actually a really nice system - 7 effectively being Vista SP4. The Vista Beta worked perfect on my setup of the day - but then you're dealing with a PC enthusiast as opposed to GP experience of it...

      1. A.P. Veening Silver badge

        There is the much used trope of every other desktop release being good, though I fear that ended at 8.

        It still goes, more or less. Compared with 8 (including 8.1), 10 is pretty good, especially with a couple of small tweaks.

    2. A.P. Veening Silver badge
      Mushroom

      I wonder if Windows 11 will be a "Vista"?

      So far it looks more like an "ME", only one solution really.

      1. jake Silver badge

        "So far it looks more like a "meh"."

        FTFY

  28. Mr. V. Meldrew
    Coat

    Well I'll......

    ..... go to the foot of my stairs.

    Bugger me who'd have thought it! Control volume using the mouse wheel, open up handy shortcuts with a right click on that windowy looking start icon. What the hell!

    I've been a loyal El Reg reader for donkeys and you only just tell me now? Shameful. (But thank you).

    As for redesigning task manager, do your best Mr. Gates, The only time I opened it was when I was in deep doo doo, and got further into it by doing so.

    Toodle Pip.

    PS. I live in a bungalow so can't go the the foot of my stairs.

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