back to article UK police lack framework for adopting new tech like AI and face recognition, Lords told

UK police forces have no overarching rules for introducing controversial technologies like AI and facial recognition, the House of Lords has heard. Baroness Shackleton of the Lords' Justice and Home Affairs Committee said the group had found 30 organisations with some role in determining how the police use new technologies, …

  1. Dan 55 Silver badge

    By design

    Later on there'll be a law passed to formalise what the police are already doing now. See fingerprints, DNA.

  2. Mr Anonymous

    Rffing Torries

    Whine on about China all day long while trying to implement all their intrusive surveillance controls.

  3. Chris G Silver badge

    Bush:Tree Tree:Bush?

    Actually it's more like a shrubbery that needs weeding by the Nights who say Ni.

    1. Korev Silver badge
      Coat

      Re: Bush:Tree Tree:Bush?

      I wonder if the machine learning code was written in Monty Python...

  4. Eclectic Man Silver badge
    Unhappy

    Bushes and Trees

    "Shrubs are defined as woody plants that tend to have a rounded shape. ... The main difference between shrubs and trees is that shrubs have several main stems growing from the ground, whereas a tree has one trunk."

    From: https://www.daviddomoney.com/what-are-shrubs-definition-difference-trees/

    And

    "This is a shrub, that is a bush. Have you ever been left scratching your head over the proper title for the plant that is sitting in your flowerbed? I think we’ve all been there. So let’s get a final verdict on what can cause an entry-level gardeners headache — what’s the difference between a shrub and a bush?

    Well, actually nothing. The two terms are essentially synonyms. Let’s quickly turn to the dictionary for some clarity on the great plant debacle. Merriam-Webster defines –

    Bush: A low densely branched shrub.

    A close thicket of shrubs suggesting a single plant

    Shrub: A low usually several-stemmed woody plant."

    From: https://www.vosslandscape.com/blog/shrubs-vs-bushes-whats-the-difference/

    So my conclusion from Mr Malthouse's comments regarding the Police is: confusion.

    1. Marki Mark
      Unhappy

      Re: Bushes and Trees

      Have you ever been left scratching your head over the proper title for the plant that is sitting in your flowerbed?

      No they're all weeds in mine ;)

      1. Eclectic Man Silver badge

        Re: Bushes and Trees

        Ah, but do you know how to cook them? Thistles, Ground Elder, Dandy-lions and Nettles can be eaten, if prepared correctly, but water hemlock, which looks and smells very similar to parsnips are hideously toxic, and consumption results in the worst day of your life followed by death.

      2. HildyJ Silver badge
        Coat

        Re: Bushes and Trees

        Mine are all dead

        1. Ken Moorhouse Silver badge

          Re: Bushes and Trees: Mine are all dead

          I've recently finished chopping all mine down in the front garden. Got to work out now how to get rid of the roots. Install Windows I suppose...

    2. Ken Moorhouse Silver badge

      Re: So my conclusion from Mr Malthouse's comments

      Are you saying that he is talking shrubbish?

  5. Mike 137 Silver badge

    Focus on what?

    "The chief constable has to be accountable before the law, and that normally focuses minds," Malthouse told the committee

    The important question is what it focuses minds on. In my long experience, corporate "governance" typically consists of a minimal mechanism for generating a paper trail that will satisfy auditors. It almost never informs day to day activities, except possibly for a brief period while under special scrutiny after an 'accident', after which it tails off again.

    Indeed many governance rule sets I've examined over the years have been actually impossible to implement in practice - pure shelfware. Their aim of course, is compliance with the Eleventh Commandment, not to protect whatever or whomever is supposed to be protected by the governance obligation.

  6. EnviableOne Silver badge

    Red Tape

    what it boils down to is the police services in England are so bound up in red tape and without the procurement support they need, the fact there is a national police computer is a miracle and their use of e-mail and some-what effectiveness against cyber-enabled crime a Herculean achievement.

    1. Anonymous Coward
      Anonymous Coward

      Re: Red Tape

      Firstly, nobody with the motivation to get all the ducks lined up, to go to the ICO with a good set of policies or user cases on how the data will be managed

      Secondly, a number of Police Forces spending money on different ways of implementing the same systems. They don't and can't work together, with additional issues nobody will take ownership and have to make decision by a Committee.

  7. Anonymous Coward
    Anonymous Coward

    Ah....more misdirection.....why am I not surprised?

    Quote: "....UK police lack framework for adopting new tech...."

    It's NOT the "framework" that's the problem........it's the culture! Try asking yourself a couple of questions:

    1. Does Sarah Everhard deserve better qualified personnel in the Metropolitan Police?

    2. Does Jean Charles da Silva e de Menezes deserve a better Metropolitan Police team supervisor than Cressida Dick?

    .....technology is clearly NOT the only problem -- or the most pressing problem!

    1. Anonymous Coward
      Anonymous Coward

      Re: Ah....more misdirection.....why am I not surprised?

      Cressida Dick has to be forced to resign before the 12-month anniversary. I can't think of a single thing that has been done to change the situation in London, it's all theatre and money spent on pointless apps.

      The best we'll get is a DM article on how many buses a reporter failed to flag down, to seek refuge.

  8. bpfh
    Joke

    UK police lack framework for adopting new tech like AI and face recognition

    That’s what happens when you kick Huawei out as a technology partner.

  9. The Brave Sir Robin

    No budget for new tech

    They won't have any budget for new technology by the time the Tories have equipped all the police with jack boots and lugers.

  10. david 12 Silver badge

    without any single body to guide and enforce the adoption of new technologies.

    Where is Mussolini when you need him? Oswald Mosley would have sorted this right out.

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