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China's Ministry of Commerce said on Monday the country has officially applied for entry into the Digital Economy Partnership Agreement (DEPA). According to the ministry, commerce minister Wang Wentao submitted the application in a written letter to Damien O'Connor, minister for trade and export growth of New Zealand and DEPA …

  1. dave 81
    Flame

    China won't play by the rules.

    They never do. Any hope they will is just naïve.

    1. Pascal Monett Silver badge

      Re: China won't play by the rules.

      China wants the money, because money is what makes the world go 'round. All the bollocks about the party line falls flat when the need to spend is felt. And China needs to spend. On its military, its infrastructure and its economy.

      China has been keeping to itself for a long time and now it sees just how far back it has fallen. It wants to catch up, and its people want to live a good life. Communist politics have been battered down to allow the "capitalist" economy to flourish, and China is seeing the positive effect on its economy.

      That positive effect is what is going to ensure that China does indeed play by the rules. Oh, it will resist as much as possible, to be sure, but in the end, if you want in on a market, you accept the rules of the market.

      Until you can change them.

      1. Anonymous Coward
        Anonymous Coward

        Re: China won't play by the rules.

        This was all true 10 years ago, but in the last five or so years, as President Xi has consolidated power, CCP policy has been gradually back-sliding into an insular, nationalist, xenophobic nation. Communist propaganda is on the rise, along with state control of commerce, and tightening of controls on information and speech.

        > you accept the rules of the market.

        The CCP doesn't accept any rules but their own, and only then when it suits those in power. Even when bound by international laws and agreements, they'll just ignore those inconveniences and carry on breaking the rules. Because experience has shown that nobody is going to stop them.

        > Until you can change them.

        I expect this is all the CCP really wants - they want to be in a position to influence the rules that nations - nations with rule of law - will follow. (Note: China is not a nation with rule of law).

        1. NoneSuch Silver badge
          Stop

          Re: China won't play by the rules.

          @AC

          All 100% correct. The CCP hates criticism and wants to be seen as legitimate on the world scene while oppressing their own citizens rights / freedoms. Meanwhile, expanding their influence in the South China Sea and across other nations borders.

          China:

          Free Tibet

          Stop bribing South Pacific island politicians for business expansion

          Remove installations from the South China Sea

          Leave Taiwan alone

          Stop internal censorship, one party rule and implement democracy

          Then we'll reconsider...

    2. Anonymous Coward
      Anonymous Coward

      Re: China won't play by the rules.

      Can we compare it to the US, who like to dictate their rules to the rest of the world, but ignore them because they're inconvenient for whatever their domestic political issue of the day is?

      I'd really like lesson-givers to start preaching by example. Words aren't worth much.

      1. Anonymous Coward
        Anonymous Coward

        Re: China won't play by the rules.

        Ha, yes. The Chinese trolls try to divert. Predictable as the sunrise.

        1. Youngone Silver badge

          Re: China won't play by the rules.

          Why would you think he was a troll? What he wrote is true.

          Despite being a member of the WTO, the US ignores rulings which go against it, Like this example

          China isn't going to play by the rules either, they're just more honest about it, and they'll be thrilled they're applying to New Zealand because they know they will be able to bully us into getting what they want.

          1. Anonymous Coward
            Anonymous Coward

            Re: China won't play by the rules.

            He's a troll because whataboutism is a favourite tactic of the Wumao and CCP apologists.

            They don't deny accusations about China, because they know them to be true. Rather, they try to distract and divert attention and energy away from criticism of China, to criticism of other countries instead. Particularly the USA, since everyone loves to hate on the USA, especially USAians, despite the US being a 1000x nicer place to live than mainland China.

            > China isn't going to play by the rules either, they're just more honest about it

            I disagree that they're more honest about it. They also portray themselves as Good Guys™, even while they lie and deny everything, even things they're on record having said and done. The difference is that everyone knows the CCP lies constantly and breaks every rule.

            Perhaps it's because the US doesn't always lie and break the rules that it feels so much more like a betrayal when they do?

            Oh, but look at me perpetuating the diversion after all. You win this round, Wumao.

  2. lglethal Silver badge
    Stop

    If i was one of the current signatories I would not want China involved. Chile, New Zealand, and Singapore might not have much global clout, but they can easily work together as equals. China does not consider anyone its equal and it would absolutely throw its weight around to get what it wants.

    They can kiss goodbye to any meaningful dialogue once China gets in...

  3. The Man Who Fell To Earth Silver badge
    FAIL

    No doubt

    China would abide by these rules about as well as it has the World Trade Organization & Permanent Court of Arbitration (PCA) at The Hague.

    1. Anonymous Coward
      WTF?

      Re: No doubt

      True for China but also true for the US and other big players.

      If I were in DEPA, I wouldn't want ANY of the G20 countries in it.

  4. elsergiovolador Silver badge

    Modus operandi

    They will start small, but slowly steadily will get other members dependent on them.

    Then they will demand other members will implement social credit score and enforce that people should be allowed to access certain services only if they meet adequate score.

    They will of course succeed, because billionaires in the West love to play modern slave owners and any more control over the population brings much needed dopamine tolerance boost.

    They of course have too big egos to consider that billionaires were first to be slaughtered by any communist revolution.

    They are essentially preparing a rope for themselves, they just don't know it yet.

    1. The Man Who Fell To Earth Silver badge
      Alien

      Re: Modus operandi

      Billionaires? In Space no one can hear you scream.

  5. Denarius Silver badge

    my first thought was "SLURP". Access to documents? As bad as Merkin TLAs. The only difference between tyrants is the colour of the uniforms, but the blood is always red

  6. Anonymous Coward
    Anonymous Coward

    Trying to bully their way around ?

    they cannot be trusted and only a matter of time before they'll steal somemore IP and land grab in cyberspace

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  8. Anonymous Coward
    Anonymous Coward

    Rrew

    When Xi is serious about this and not manipulating, the great firewall of china would be the first thing to drop.

    That will never happen under his rule, as this is all just posturing while prepping for conflict in his pursuit of world domination.

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