back to article Jeff Bezos wants to build a business park in space

Blue Origin is leading a consortium hoping to put the first commercial space station into orbit. The craft is set to combine research and tourism facilities, and provide an office address in space for businesses. Dubbed Orbital Reef, the two initial partners are Jeff Bezos' Blue Origin, which will get the platform into orbit …

  1. Denarius Silver badge

    youre kidding

    With Boing? Doomed, doomed

    1. 2+2=5 Silver badge
      Joke

      Re: youre kidding

      > With Boing? Doomed, doomed

      "Boeing", said Zebedee.

      1. Denarius Silver badge
        Headmaster

        Re: youre kidding

        sic # for the hyperliteral

  2. Anonymous Coward
    Anonymous Coward

    Will the workers at that business park be allowed to unionise?

    1. Anonymous Coward
      Anonymous Coward

      Union meetings are to be held outside

      1. WonkoTheSane
        Trollface

        "Union meetings are to be held outside"

        As are bathroom breaks

        1. steelpillow Silver badge

          Not to mention fag breaks

          1. Anonymous Coward
            Anonymous Coward

            I told you not to mention fag breaks!

  3. Lockwood

    Raises a question

    What is the income tax rate for a business that is based in international waters?

    1. LDS Silver badge

      "Also, the possibilities for orbital tax elusion from this base are huge"

      That should have been the closing line of the article!

    2. jmch Silver badge

      Re: Raises a question

      Since the US claims tax jurisdiction globally, I'm sure they would happily extend it a few miles up

      1. Xalran

        Re: Raises a question

        There's the Space Treaty to take into account... ( up to a point )

        I'm not certain US can claim tax juridiction over extraterrestrial assets.

        1. Jimmy2Cows Silver badge

          Re: not certain US can claim tax juridiction over extraterrestrial assets

          But you know they will anyway.

          1. martinusher Silver badge

            Re: not certain US can claim tax juridiction over extraterrestrial assets

            If we can claim jurisdiction over Colombian hippopotamuses then I'm sure we're able to extend it to something built with 'merkan technology launched and controlled from US soil.

            But our bigger businesses -- that includes Amazon -- don't actually pay tax. They'll collect sales taxes (VAT in your wold) off the customers but real corporations don't pay taxes. Its the rules.

        2. jmch Silver badge

          Re: Raises a question

          "...juri[s]diction over extraterrestrial assets..."

          Even with permanent space-based structures, ultimately anything in space bringing value to Earth can be taxed at the point the value reaches Earth, and anything in space needing resupply from Earth can be levied some sort of levy in lieu of tax for anything leaving Earth.

          It's going to be a long, long, long time before there are enough assets and people in space to form their own semi-closed economy that's semi-independent of Earth, and even if off-world formed it's own independent government, it would still charge it's own taxes.

          1. John Brown (no body) Silver badge
            Thumb Up

            Re: Raises a question

            "Even with permanent space-based structures, ultimately anything in space bringing value to Earth can be taxed at the point the value reaches Earth, and anything in space needing resupply from Earth can be levied some sort of levy in lieu of tax for anything leaving Earth."

            That's an interesting concept. I wonder if it would work. Let's see, moving something from one jurisdiction to another, possibly via some sort of shipping port. Maybe we could call goods going out "ex"-ports and good coming in "im"-ports, or something like that. :-)

  4. Anonymous Coward
    Anonymous Coward

    Waters?

    Don't take Genesis so literally

    1. Julz Silver badge

      Re: Waters?

      Don't recall a song about waters by Genesis.

      1. You aint sin me, roit Silver badge

        Re: Waters?

        Fountain of Salmacis

  5. Christoph

    A tax haven that is out of this world

  6. Twanky Silver badge
    Trollface

    He should take a leaf out of NASA's book

    Subcontract the work to SpaceX.

    1. Anonymous Coward Silver badge
      Alien

      Re: He should take a leaf out of NASA's book

      I imagine Elon will simply outfit a starship with office supplies and park it in orbit. Possibly to make some money, but mostly to annoy Bezos.

      Plus, the SpaceX version will already have a decent internet connection - all the starlink gear will come in very handy.

  7. Geoff Campbell
    Terminator

    Tax haven

    I see Christoph beat me to it. I've been saying for a few years that an orbital office declared as the head office and tax address of a corporation would really screw the current nation-state-based tax laws. No surprise that Bezos is the first to jump.

    GJC

    1. WonkoTheSane
      Alien

      Re: Tax haven

      Is this a good time to remind you that Elon has built up Tesla, SolarCity, SpaceX & The Boring Company for a single goal?

      He wants to emigrate to Mars. He's even picked out Olympus Mons as his supervillain volcano lair.

      1. Geoff Campbell

        Re: Tax haven

        I would not be arrogant enough to state that I know the motivations behind those companies. The stated aim is to make the human race multi-planetary, although Tesla isn't really much of a part of that plan.

        That's rather different to putting a tin can into orbit so you can declare the tax location of your Earth-bound companies as "not in your jurisdiction, buddy".

        I have no doubt that there will be plenty of tax wrinkles to work out if we ever do get two full communities of meatsacks on two different planets, mind you.

        GJC

        1. ArrZarr

          Re: Tax haven

          The tech behind tesla cars is repurposable for space travel. Batteries are necessary throughout space ventures.

          Beyond that, Oxygen would be at a premium on a planet that didn't have natural generating capacity so a solar grid powering electric vehicles feels the natural solution.

      2. Anonymous Coward
        Anonymous Coward

        Re: Tax haven

        "He's even picked out Olympus Mons as his supervillain volcano lair."

        This is very appropriate as he is a massive Mons Venus.

        1. Denarius Silver badge

          Re: Tax haven

          oooh, subtle

    2. The Oncoming Scorn Silver badge
      Joke

      Re: Tax haven

      No nasty surprises by impromptu tax inspections either.

  8. Zebo-the-Fat

    Not yet!

    He's hoping to put the first commercial space station into orbit....

    This from the man who has yet to get anything into low Earth orbit!

  9. elsergiovolador Silver badge

    There go

    our taxes...

  10. IGotOut Silver badge

    Nice tax haven you have there...

    .... shame we don't have the funds to keep that defunct satellite from smashing into the side of your office block.

    If only we had some more tax payments from the 1%ers.

    1. elsergiovolador Silver badge

      Re: Nice tax haven you have there...

      from the 1%ers.

      The 1% are the hard working people on £100k, engineers, doctors, specialists... they are already heavily taxed.

      I think you mean 0.1% that make insane money and pay little tax.

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      2. John Brown (no body) Silver badge
        Thumb Up

        Re: Nice tax haven you have there...

        According to some figures I saw, to be in the top 1% of uk adults, you need to be earning over £120k. Taking out non-taxpayers, you need to be earning more like £160k to be in the 1%. It's probably different in each country, and considerably different if you take the world as whole. Not to mention who you mean by the other 99%. In most developed countries, you'd probably not include people under 16 or 18. In some countries, you might want to include anyone working, no matter their age, even if that means including a 12 year old "bread winner".

        The "1%", or any other figure bandied about is usually used as an emotive term to beat someone with and is often pretty meaningless without some context. It's probably better to stick to terms like "super rich" or whatever :-)

  11. Will Godfrey Silver badge
    Facepalm

    Zaphod? Is that You?

    EGO greater than the size of the universe.

    1. steelpillow Silver badge
      Joke

      Re: Zaphod? Is that You?

      Aww, c'm on, give Bezos a break. His Muskiness wants to built it on Mars.

    2. The Bobster

      Re: Zaphod? Is that You?

      Jeff? He's just zis guy, you know?

  12. steelpillow Silver badge
    Trollface

    So how long...

    ... before spinning-up artificial gravity becomes a legal requirement, to stop essential staffers' inevitable pressurised extended stays from ruining their health?

  13. Pascal Monett Silver badge
    Stop

    "an office address in space for businesses"

    Stupid. Utterly stupid.

    An office address is useful for being close to where you produce something. Even if it isn't tangible goods, space is an environment where there's nothing.

    And it costs millions to get there. And it dangerous to human health to stay there too long. Plus, the walls of the station are paper-thin, they can be breached by a pebble of sand. And to take a shit you have to shove a tube up your ass. Not to mention the food is pre-chewed.

    I very much doubt any CEO of any company is going to enjoy being in space for business purposes. Sure, fucking the secretary in zero-G won't get old soon (or will it ?), but the sheer fact is that, while he's up there, actual business is happening down here.

    And let's not forget that blasting off from Earth is not 100% certain to get you into space. You can also be blasted to bits.

    It is way too early for this kind of project.

    Now, when we have a functional space elevator, or some other way of getting people into orbit with 99.999% reliability, then we can start looking into mining asteroids and yes, that will be a time to have an orbital business space.

    But until then, get access to space secure first.

    1. Dave 126 Silver badge

      Re: "an office address in space for businesses"

      Why would you use humans for mining asteroids?

    2. Denarius Silver badge

      Re: "an office address in space for businesses"

      so all those "offices" in tax havens dont work at reducing taxes then ? Just asking

    3. Geoff Campbell
      Boffin

      Re: "an office address in space for businesses"

      I think perhaps you might be misunderstanding how Head Office addresses work, somewhat.

      GJC

    4. Potemkine! Silver badge

      Re: "an office address in space for businesses"

      So companies can have another way to avoid taxes?

      I guess that now many countries agreed on a 15% tax on overseas profits, Bozzo has to find a way to escape this. The dildo rockets won't pay by themselves you know.

  14. Sandstone
    Angel

    Music Background

    Cue "Also Sprach Zarathustra" followed by the "Blue Danube Waltz"

  15. Sandstone
    Pint

    Companies Working Along Side Each Other...

    While protecting their individual proprietary interests, of course.

  16. mercyground

    And how is he planning to get to space?

    Blue Origin don't have engines for their rockets. And his current rocket barely crosses the Karmen line.

    He is sue happy thou. Maybe he's going to build a space elevator by piling lawyers on top of each other till he reaches orbit?

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