back to article US invites friends to multilateral cybersecurity meetings – Russia and China strangely absent

The United States has kicked off meetings attended by representatives of nations that all hope to address the scourge of ransomware – without Russia or China in the room. An expression of the US National Security Council’s Counter-Ransomware Initiative, the two-day meetings will occupy Wednesday and Thursday. "The initiative …

  1. Fruit and Nutcase Silver badge
    Coat

    RSVP

    Did the French accept the invitation? Or are they still in a huff about AUKUS and the subs?

    1. ecofeco Silver badge

      Re: RSVP

      Probably.

    2. Anonymous Coward
      Anonymous Coward

      Re: RSVP

      Or the NSA spying on EU leaders maybe?

      What is there to say when the UK, who themselves love to whine and play the victim (see: Brexit) find it surprising when a supposedly allied country is pissed by a betrayal?

  2. Anonymous Coward
    Anonymous Coward

    Hackers planning meetup.

    Germany right? It's Germany behind the P* papers: Panama Papers, Paradise Papers, Pandora Papers?

    ... and they're not "whistleblowers" clearly, they're hacks. Pandora papers for example, 15 financial companies, in 11 nations hacked, that could not possibly be a whistleblower. Since all these hacks all fit the same mould, then none of them were likely "whistleblowers" regardless of how they were marketed, they will all be hacks.

    German press always takes the leads, Süddeutsche Zeitung reports first, then the ICIJ (that 'wikileaks' organization, that never gets investigated). All the same aliterative marketing crap: "Peter Picked a Peck of Pickled Pepper Papers". All lead with targets selected to be German opposition targets (inc Tony Blair this time). I think its clearly a *state* run cyber-attack, and most likely a German run one.

    I notice also, the lack of investigation into these hacks. So it's not like they don't know who is behind it, it's clearly one of their own, and clearly a high tax nation given the focus is on attacking low tax nations. Germany fits that pattern too.

    So who next I wonder?

    My guess, Hungary, 9% corporation tax. Andora 10% corporation tax. Macau 12% corp tax and cooperates with China, Saudi Arabia (no income tax), Spain (Beckham tax rule).

    Here's a planning list:

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_tax_rates

    Click on Sort-up to find possible next targets, and Sort-down, to find likely State attacker.

    1. Anonymous Coward
      Anonymous Coward

      It's funny isn't it.

      They claim hacking laws are for 'anti-terror' or 'organized-crime' and they end up trying to influence elections in friendly nations with their hacks, run propganda in friendly countries, undermine democracy with selective releasing of minor financial transactions weaponized with inuendo and vague allegations.

      Or perhaps I'm wrong, and this latest hack will get investigated, and perhaps a grand jury raised against ICIJ the way it was raised against Wikileaks.

      I won't hold my breath.

  3. amanfromMars 1 Silver badge

    The Elephantine Opportunity in the Room is Well Forearmed and Forewarns .....

    Immaculately Resourced Assets and Universal Virtual Forces haven't gone away, you know. They are the AIMorph that Resides to Preside and Provide ...... although there may certainly be many who would waste their breath trying to deny those facts are real and honestly true, rather more preferring them to be fake and misleading ....... https://forums.theregister.com/forum/all/2021/10/11/data_guardian_police_bill/#c_4348970

    Does the SinoSoviet East [as embodied in their identification as Russia and China] lead the Wild West [as portrayed as a Five Eyed Alliance of NATO nations] with a much more NEUKlearer HyperRadioProACTive IT Realisation of the Phenomenon?

    1. Clausewitz 4.0
      Devil

      Re: The Elephantine Opportunity in the Room is Well Forearmed and Forewarns .....

      A Sino+Soviet+Extras PACT can bring balance to the force.

      Or in biosphere ending, as we know it, if reckless parties do not accept their new place in the new order.

      1. amanfromMars 1 Silver badge

        One Ring to Rule Them All is No Ancient Myth whenever Presently Programming Future Projects

        Quite so, Clausewitz 4.0, indeed it so easily and overwhelmingly quickly can and with such a force as be EMPowering of Almighty Engaging Sources.

        And any such PACT [Sino+Soviet+Extras Persistent Advancing Cyber Threat/Treat] would also be both a Great Westernised Game Changer, and even possible Grand Scam Destroyer and Ponzi Slayer for Greater IntelAIgent GamesPlay in Novel Viral Virtual Ware Fare.

        Its worth in rubles and yuan would decimate and annihilate the dollar hegemony in all of the rigged market places and trading spaces and that it what makes IT so extraordinarily valuable and spectacularly attractive to both the Wild Wacky West and the Exotic Erotic East alike.

        1. amanfromMars 1 Silver badge

          And in Furtherance of the Interests of Fair Play and a Level Virtual Terrain Team Playing Field

          cc ... Embassy of the People's Republic of China 49-51 Portland Place W1B 1JL

          Embassy of the Russian Federation 6/7 Kensington Palace Gardens, London, W8 4QP

          American Embassy 33 Nine Elms Lane, London SW11 7US

  4. batfink Silver badge

    That'll work well then

    Yup, let's have a conference on addressing ransomware without inviting those countries we've just fingered as hosting the most ransomware gangs.

    That should work well then.

    1. Fruit and Nutcase Silver badge
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      Re: That'll work well then

      Let's see them inviting North Korea!

    2. DS999 Silver badge

      Re: That'll work well then

      When Russia has refused time and again to do anything about known cybercriminals operating within their border, why would you think inviting them would be helpful?

      If they were doing their best to stop them but failing that would be one thing, but clearly Putin's government is supportive of their efforts or at least willing to look the other way so long as they don't go after Russia's allies or companies Putin's oligarch buddies have a stake in.

  5. _LC_ Silver badge
    Paris Hilton

    Gotta hand it to them

    You gotta hand it to them, the audacity of a falling empire is really staggering.

    1. Clausewitz 4.0
      Devil

      Re: Gotta hand it to them

      No other would-be empire will dare to conquer Afghanistan.

      Its a clear sign things will go wrong after a would-be-conqueror leaves them - history books support that.

  6. sanmigueelbeer Silver badge
    Coat

    They are there "in spirit"

    Russia, China, North Korea and Iran may not have been invited, however, who said they did not hear (or see) everything?

    1. Chris G Silver badge

      Re: They are there "in spirit"

      Maybe that's the idea, to see if the conference get's hacked and held to ransome by someone who is not there.

      The political mentality never left the schoolyard.

  7. Sixtiesplastictrektableware

    Listlessful Thinking

    If the interwebs go the way of VHS, as in supplanted by something else, then everybody stupid migrates to do their social ransom thing, couldn't a bunch of people kinda... still keep the lights running post stupid?

    The 'net was so fun for the few minutes before... well, smartphones and social media and such.

    I maintain a slightly non-sober hope that something shiny will attract all the vain, greedy, fearful and angry folk from the web to somewhere else or at least to a more entertaining distance.

    Otherwise, I'm not quite sure what anyone can do about what anybody else does on a computer.

  8. ecofeco Silver badge

    Why would they come?

    The three largest black hat nations are (in no particular order):

    - Russia

    - China

    ...and...

    - the U.S.

    Who in their right mind attends the rival gang's party?

  9. Anonymous Coward
    Anonymous Coward

    Modesty....and from the NSA as well!!!

    Jake Sullivan Quote: "...We know very well ........ that we cannot do this alone...."

    *

    Really???? I thought Edward Snowden has shown us that you are PERFECTLY CAPABLE of doing all of this -- and more -- even if confined to the premises at Fort Meade!

    *

    Far too modest!!!!

  10. Anonymous Coward
    Anonymous Coward

    "Perps not welcome"

    But you just wrote above the US are in? I'm confused by subhead flatly contradicting the head.

  11. Bbeard

    What is real cyberthreat and where it is

    Regular blaming on Russian hackers is useless time-spending. Almost 80% of hacker attacks were from US so there is no doubt about what real cyber threat is

    1. amanfromMars 1 Silver badge

      Re: What is real cyberthreat and where it is

      Regular blaming on Russian hackers is useless time-spending. Almost 80% of hacker attacks were from US so there is no doubt about what real cyber threat is ...... Bbeard

      Such a fact, Bbeard, has an entity identified as something of a pariah well worthy of sanction and attack by forces and sources beyond their reach and/or ken.

      And whenever it is not China or Russia or N. Korea or whatever doing the hacking, what does it tell China and Russia and N.Korea and whatever of the state of such an entity's intelligence services ‽ .

      Apart from practically everything they would virtually need to know, that is?

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