It was only a matter of time
A few days back a major certificate expired.
Supposedly most service providers have long since stopped using it, but there might have been a few that were missed.
Facebook and its other social media sites, WhatsApp and Instagram, fell offline today. The outage started around 1540 UTC for Facebook and Instagram, and shortly after that WhatsApp. facebook Millions deprived of advertising ... What happened if you visited Facebook.com earlier. Click to enlarge "We’re aware that some …
Speculation in Silly Con Valley is that it's damage control to patch stuff that might still be accessible to the whistleblower who outed herself last night.
Why a former employee would have any access at all has gone unreported (talk about bad security!) ... as has what Facebook can do to fix the barn door after the worm can was spilt.
::shrugs::
Nah, our place it was DHCP today, last time they had some major work done the <contract networkers who will remain nameless> reset the DHCP lease timeout to the Microsoft recomended of 8 days!! - it was previously set to 1 hour, consequently we ran out of IP addresses until I noticed the IPs that machines were reporting [169.xxx.xxx.xxx] (4 hours after the issue was reported and well before before Infrastructure figured it out) and got the leases reset. At least it makes up for deleting the global ISE database a couple of years ago...
Anon as well...
So after the panic in offices, etc. folks might actually be more productive then? Or just so upset they can't do anything. Families will have actually have to talk to each other with whatever consequences result from actual conversation.
For a fleeting day or hours, we're back in the 90's.
Time to think "what if?". What if this is intentional on FB's part? They've been taking a lot of crap from many corners lately. This would be a way to get all their users upset and demand that the critics leave them alone.
Wild speculation but after the last 4 years, I wouldn't put anything past them or anyone else.
I don't think so. My wife works at the helpdesk of a local college and got at least five calls from people complaining that the internet was down.
She patiently explained that Facebook was down, and the rest of the internet, including the sites one could use to do work-related browsing, are ok. Most of the callers mumbled something like thanks, but one had the gall to ask if the helpdesk people "could do something about the Facebook".
Again, a local college, a temple of knowledge and education.
I was setting up a showroom and was testing different places to put the wifi box in. This was eventually going to be for staff use and to do the test I'd set up the wifi router in different locations around the (multistory) showroom. This was going well until the showroom manager grabbed me. She said she'd been able to connect to the wifi but her tv app (UKTV Play) wasn't working. I said there's no broadband yet, so no internet, so why would it? She said that on the adverts for it they just said you needed a "Network connection" and she had one of those. Sadly when I checked she was right it did say exactly that. She therefore decided not being very technical that the internet wasn't needed.
"And for those of us with family stuck abroad in a pandemic won't be able to talk at all. Yay!"
Phones exist. You know, the function of the "smartphone" that is its main feature? Call them, and, you know, use your voice. Hard to understand in these days of keyboard tippy-tappy, I know.
Hmm, you'd greatly benefit to learn the difference between someone who is against 100% of vaccines versus someone who is merely questioning ONE experimental genetic mRNA therapy pathway misrepresented as a traditional vaccine; it's not a vaccine in any traditional sense.
You're welcome.
What is it you want your vaccines to be like? Edward Jenner style where the festering pustules of an infected individual are broken open and said pus scratched into your skin? That is, after all, the traditional way.
You’re right about the mRNA vaccines. They aren’t traditional. They are waaaaay cooler and way better than traditional. But to say they are “genetic therapy” grossly misrepresents the role of mRNA in protein synthesis. It’s quite literally the messenger. A datagram. Not persistent storage. God forbid we should live on a planet where technological progress takes place… and additionally, I’m sometimes surprised to find Luddites hanging out on a tech website.
Funny thing about mRNA vaccines. Every single candidate in the past failed early in the FDA 505(b)1 approval process. Every one. For reasons eerily familiar to those who have been watching VAERS since Dec 2020. Read the individual case records. Just like the Phase I/II clinical trials for the withdrawn candidates.
If you think mRNA vaccines are "cool" I suggest you get up to speed on the published literature. They really dont have a clue about what they do to non target cells. Not a clue. If you have been reading this stuff for decades you will see it is mostly hand waving.
Then there is the "approval". Its not a 505(b)1, like in every other general use vaccine. Its this weird combo of 351 and a BLA. Which is never used for legitimate vaccines. But the 351 will give Pfizers lawyers a great defense strategy against the product liability lawsuits.
Then there is the strange fact that the only vaccine types available in western countries are types which have either all / almost all failed to gain approval in the past. The rest of the world uses attenuated virus vaccines. You know. The safe ones that have been used for over a century.
Its a given that any one who throws around the term "ant-vax" hasnt a clue what they are talking about. Low information bien pensant mouton. All HCOV vaccines are like influenza vaccines, they dont give sterilizing immunity. So unlike the MMR and all the other vaccines you previously got (except Tdap). Its just a shot that wears off very quickly and provides very limited protection. Except unlike the flu shot most people are at lower risk and the adverse response event rate is about 200x. Not good numbers.
Still happy about having completely untried, untested, LNP mRNA particles floating about your body? Where the cell boundary crossing mechanism for most in-vivo cells is a complete unknown.
Sorry, I'll take my vaccines the old fashioned way. Attenuated virus vaccines.
So when is something like VLA2001 going to be made available? To those of us who have actually read the f*cking published literature and know how this stuff works.
"pseudo-educated half-baked poorly understood biochemistry"
If you bother to research, you'll find that there are numerous such experts who are sounding great caution, even concerns about mRNA vaccines.
I'd also hope that education people are more open minded than those who aren't, but I do wonder sometimes.
#1 Nobody claimed the vaccines available would give sterilising immunity. Which is defined as “would prevent infection”. It would be great, but the data shows they massively reduce disease, but aren’t making so much of an impact on infection. But as has been repeatedly stated by most health authorities and govs, the best strategy we have is to *reduce the number of hospitalisations and deaths to an acceptable amount*. It’s the best we have, and in the face of the pandemic it will have to do.
#2 Sterilising immunity is nothing to do with how long immunity lasts. I have no idea where you got that idea from, but it’s just wrong. In the circumstances, for exactly the same reason as flu vaccines, neither is it that relevant. You will probably need a Covid booster next year anyway, because next years strain will be different.
#3 “Most people are at lower risk”. And some are at high risk. What’s your point?
Have you really not understood that you are comparing your 1 in a million risk to an 85yr olds *1 in 4* risk?
#4 And if you just don’t care, have you really not understood that if everybody took your attitude, your personal risk of dying from Covid eventually is *over 50%*. That is what will be on your death certificate. Covid isn’t the flu.
Covid is not going away. Every year, it will come around and take its tithe of 1% of the population, unless we are vaccinated, because as you have ably pointed out this is a disease where immunity is quickly lost. 600,000 people dead every year in the U.K. is half the total deaths. Every year will be a new strain and people will get it again, and again, and eventually die of it. The only thing that stopped it last year was heroic measures, and we won’t be doing that again. That was a one-time kindness to save *your* life.
You are going to get old too. Someday you will be 70. And the year after 71. And the year after that 72. Did you really think that the rest of the population would fall at the emperors feet, so you get skiing holidays when you are young, then when you retire everyone else gets vaccinated to protect *you*? No? On current statistics, it is improbable that *you* will make it past your 73rd birthday, and moderately likely you won’t even reach retirement age. Not with an annual tithe of 1% death rate.
*Now* do you get it?
"On current statistics, it is improbable that *you* will make it past your 73rd birthday, and moderately likely you won’t even reach retirement age. Not with an annual tithe of 1% death rate."
Ah, I think I get it now. He's been vaccinated but doesn't want anyone else to get vaccinated. He's in charge of the pensions and is worried about the "time bomb effect" :-)
To put it in terms that these people will care about: The understaffed service industry jobs will only get more understaffed as those working them keel over because they can't afford the time off to recover, or to not spread the virus.
If you think the lines to get your burger fix/haircut are bad now, imagine another couple of years of losing 1-2 people per worksite per year - with no replacements available.
I cannot tell from this if you are being sarcastic.
Anyhow - irrespective of a formal OK from some sort of oversight body that needs a huge helping of paperwork to do anything,
100s of millions of people having had it injected is a very wierd definition of "completely untested"...
> [ ...] merely questioning ONE experimental genetic mRNA therapy pathway[ ... ]
It's NOT experimental. It is fully approved by the FDA.
[ ...] misrepresented as a traditional vaccine [ ...]
No-one misrepresented anything. You invented an incorrect association of similarity between different kinds of vaccines on your own. No-one asked you to do that.
[ ...] it's not a vaccine in any traditional sense [ ...]
Sez you. You must be an expert in immunology and vaccines. Which explains why you're posting as Anonymous Coward.
Different vaccines are made in different ways, and operate in different ways. The desired end result is always the same: artificially acquired immunity against a pathogen, which may be long-term or short-term.
If what you understand by a traditional vaccine is what was being used in the 18th Century, you are about 300 years behind, and you will be very disappointed. No-one today manufactures vaccines the way they were being made centuries ago.
You can either time travel backwards and get scratched with infected cow udder skin, or you can chose to live in the present.
Either way, please stop spouting your ignorance as if it was some demonstration of critical thinking. It is not.
Go back to Facebook when it's back up.
You mean the mRNA-based interventions that train your immune system to recognise a pathogen and thus produce an immune response when they encounter said pathogen - like, um, vaccines? The ones which have undergone the standard testing regime for medical interventions? No... I guess you must be talking about something else. I'd check the usual reliable sources, but unfortunately Facebook is down...
On the contrary, the sheeple are losing what is left of their tiny little minds. I've had a half dozen telephone calls asking why "the Internet is down", all from people who never call me for support anymore because I don't do Redmond or Cupertino. Seems they are so desperate for their fix that they are willing to risk getting laughed at.
In other news, the Realtor for a property I'm trying to purchase can't do business with me "because her Facebook is down". When I pointed out that I've never used Facebook when talking with her, she just looked at me blankly. Yes, we were standing talking to each other in person at the time. The mind absolutely boggles.
@chivo243
Sadly, no, it wasn't you (it would have been cool, though, especially if you could make them disappear permanently, or at will).
I received a Telegram call from my son about an hour ago about this, and it took ages to connect. His stance is that Telegram is a bit overwhelmed/flooded with traffic, as people took to Telegram in order to communicate.
According to him it was a DNS config gone wrong (heard from someone with knowledge about it), leading to all their DNS servers falling over. And, siince the servers are now unreachable, there is a scramble to get support into data centres in order to get physical access so the servers can be individually reconfigured.
It is going to be a looooong day/night for the poor buggers!
It did not affect me, as I do not partake of FB and their products (OK - I have to confess; I had to reopen my WhatsApp account, since my siblings objected to change to Telegram or Signal. They are heavily invested in the whole FB experience, sadly. I will probably get an avalanche of messages from them once Fb teeters upright again).
And may I be the first to comment that your lunch was not very healthy!
If you're not going to eat healthy, then do it right...
https://www.theregister.com/2016/02/12/post_pub_nosh_gatsby/
todays CNN story on what was leaked from farceborks HQ.
That their 'algorithm' is designed to look at what you've clicked before , then offer you more of the same in the hope you click on that too
Which explains why so many people are being led down the "anti-vaxxing/the left staged Jan 6th/ evil <insert todays hated minority> trying to take over the world' bollocks
and why after I searched for a washing machine , got 3 months of washing machine adverts......
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i suspect the fb apps all try to very aggressively phone the fb servers rather than take a breather and try in a few minutes and flatline the infra-structure.
once had a client set up a monitor on their site that broke and so called and downloaded one of our heavier pages every second while the site was "down" - rather than the usual once an hour til we blocked them
Sure would be nice if it stayed down. The Internet would be a better place.
These days I hear a lot of people who claim they don't want to use Facebook, but "they have to because" so-and-so is on it ... the reasons are just as lame as the reasons people claimed that they "have to" use Windows.
No.
The network has gone (BGP apparently)
Even if you manually overrode your DNS entries with the Facebook IP addresses, you'd not be able to connect.
You think DNS, because it's the first point of contact.
No point trying to get through the front door - the whole house has disappeared!
This entry found on /.
The problem goes deeper than Facebook's obvious DNS failures, though. Facebook-owned Instagram was also down, and its DNS services -- which are hosted on Amazon rather than being internal to Facebook's own network -- were functional. Instagram and WhatsApp were reachable but showed HTTP 503 (no server is available for the request) failures instead, an indication that while DNS worked and the services' load balancers were reachable, the application servers that should be feeding the load balancers were not. A bit later, Cloudflare VP Dane Knecht reported that all BGP routes for Facebook had been pulled. With no BGP routes into Facebook's network, Facebook's own DNS servers would be unreachable -- as would the missing application servers for Facebook-owned Instagram, WhatsApp, and Oculus VR.
Allegedly they stopped advertising their BGP routes for reasons unknown atm. They can't get in remotely to fix it because they can't route to the network.
Add to this the security system that controls access to the building needed depends on their LDAP servers, which are inaccessible, so they have also locked themselves out physically.
Internal Comms are down because the corporate comms solution is FB Messenger and WhatsApp so no-one can talk to anyone else easily to come up with a solution.
This could take a while.
If so, the problem has spread somewhat. Here in Western Canada on Shaw cable, there were temporary issues for a few minutes - couldn't get to the government weather site, Slashdot or El Reg. I actually had to do some work!
Hmm. I'd report my lunch too, but since I've never used Facebook, other than when I could follow links to pics, I guess that would be wrong.
It's easy to imagine a team leader saying, "Let's do the upgrade Monday, first thing. If something goes wrong, we don't want to be here all weekend."
The upgrade in question might not have anything to do with the routers -- they might have taken the routers offline on purpose as part of damage control.
The fact that they're being super coy about what's gone wrong might or might not mean anything.
We could try to shame them into divulging the real problem by imagining a catastrophe that dwarfs anything plausible. They might be more willing to admit something if it were a trifle in comparison to the thing we imagined. That seems to be a gambit typical of Facebook users -- though I can't say I've seen it work effectively in practice.
It occurs to me that should a State actor intend a military attack, splunging DNS at the same time might additionally degrade effective response due to lots of unexpected failures in the military's non-frontline. In particular, as time goes on, resupply will be increasingly connecting with civilian businesses. Not a deal breaker but people have mentally come to rely on the internet, plus procedures in scale for non-net non-electronic logistics have likely dropped a long way off the training schedule. Assuming they're even possible -- Australians would lose most of the phone system, for example, so you couldn't even ring someone to order stuff "manually". Massive coordination issues, even for trivia.
Only a friction but potentially large in the critical early stages, and it's free and takes ~no combat resources. And every little helps.
As we repeatedly see, it has quite large effects, it has a lot of unexpected consequences, and the system is startlingly open and reliant on queasy-making levels of trust and constant active management. Very easy to poison. Especially with some prep work on hijack-capabilities, especially via overlooked supporting/related kit rather than immediately within the DNS servers themselves. For an attacker, it would strike me as very low-hanging fruit.
it is low hanging and was spotted long before the interweb.
Fixing broken logistics chains is standard military planning, in every war the primary strategic targets are supply routes* feeding the enemy front line. DNS is just another target and the front line a bit more ephemeral.
*critical points like factories, bridges, tunnels, rail marshalling yards & ports for the last two hundred years, communications hubs (telephone exchanges) were added a century ago.
oh arse.
can we make this permanent, it feels good :) (no farcebook i mean, not speaking to the dottled one) thats a laugh every couple of minutes, she's a funny old lady 87 and binned facebook for tik tok eons ago.
"wuars ma teesh son?" videos
It seems like MANRS have helped to cut out incorrect BGP announcements from Facebook, which may be caused by incorrect BGP configuration and confusing external and internal announcements of BGP so that when external routes is to be announced internally, they end up being announced externally and thus causing route loops in BGP, at which time validating in surrounding ASes has no other choice but cut out announcements from this AS and with that all the service bearing routes. The surrounding ASes does what they have to do for this error not to spread further. It seems likely that the internal network was also not doing it's thing. One may speculate as to wither the internal configuration have not yet been able to transition to automatic generation of full configuration with the large amount of consistency checks needed, as it takes time to migrate everything.
There's all that deleterious news that strongly supports regulation of their content.
Then, an apparent self-inflicted foot wound, while depriving users of service.
I'm not bit on considering outside of Hanlon's Razor, but this is quite convenient as a warning.
And given a warning, I say regulate the dog snot out of them..
Now, thrice over and gone.