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The bloodletting within the Perl community has continued in the wake of Community Affairs Team chair Samantha McVey's resignation. The CAT was established in March last year to maintain "a community led set of rules" with moderators who would respond to unhappy netizens complaining about "incidents at events or otherwise," but …

  1. elsergiovolador Silver badge

    The CAT

    It's quite ironic that to look proficient at Perl all you need to do is to put your cat on your keyboard and let it do the REST.

    1. hsmyers

      Re: The CAT

      Oh! Oh! Look at all of the Rust code—good kitty…

    2. Anonymous Coward
      Anonymous Coward

      Re: The CAT

      Yeah, the reason I'm not being productive today at work (from home) is that the cat refuses to come out from under the bed and help me code. Felines.

    3. Korev Silver badge
      Coat

      Re: The CAT

      I like do a cat on a file...

  2. ComputerSays_noAbsolutelyNo Silver badge

    Good description

    "It's the online version of road rage," Poe told The Register, "I know people who, at conferences, are absolutely lovely people ... face-to-face. But they're raging assholes online.

    "I don't know if it's because they're out of punching range or because they forget that there are people behind the words they're reading.

    wise words.

    1. Lil Endian

      Re: Good description

      Agreed.

      In communication intention is paramount. Intention is not easily conveyed in written communications. We've spent many tens/hundreds of millennia communicating face-to-face where body language fills in the gaps omitted from the spoken word. The signs existed before the spoken word. Online comms removes those indicators. It's not so much that those individuals ignore the non-existent signs, they're possibly not even aware that the signs are not there.

      That's why "punching range" is a factor. Regardless of political correctness, we have forward facing eyes and incisors. That is lost in the on line world.

      1. Anonymous Coward
        Anonymous Coward

        Re: Good description

        The punching range thing is over rated, especially if they think you will punch back.

        If someone hits me I always punch back.

    2. Jamie Jones Silver badge

      Re: Good description

      "Code Rage"

      1. jake Silver badge

        Re: Good description

        Except it has nothing to do with code. It has everything to do with sociology. Which is by it's very nature outside the remit of the group. Or should be, anyway.

        If you feed the trolls, you get to keep them.

        1. Lil Endian

          Re: Good description

          Except it has nothing to do with code.

          Agreed.

          It has everything to do with sociology.

          Agreed (but I'd go for anthropology).

          Which is by it's very nature outside the remit of the group. Or should be, anyway.

          I'm assuming "the group" is: those in ICT professionally. (If I'm wrong, well, I'm talking about something else!)

          If so, I'd say that depends on perception/context. From a purist's point of view (the creators and engineers et al), only the mechanics of the tool(s) are within purview. But these are tools, and how they impact us/society (sociologically/anthropologically) must be considered at some point. Not by all, but by some. Does a programmer only deal with only the guts of the program, or consider the useability of the interface? 'Cos a purist wouldn't care if "the user" can work out their shit or not (arguably). But that wouldn't go far. I think it's important to maintain both sides, and in-between.

          So yeah, it should be outside the remit of some groups. But not all groups. And we need to keep the fekkin marketurds away from ICT progression. O! Lord!

          If you feed the trolls, you get to keep them.

          Kewl, they sooo cuddly!

          1. Lil Endian
            Facepalm

            Re: Good description

            Erm, Jake, you meant the Perl group I guess - d'uh my bad.

        2. Jamie Jones Silver badge

          Re: Good description

          Sigh. It was just a pun on a phrase.

          You could just as equally says "Road Rage" has got nothing to do with roads.

          1. Lil Endian
            Coat

            Re: Good description

            A film portraying devs and their tireless efforts against all odds in a post-apocalyptic world, hunched over their consoles in the wee hours of the morning:

            Bad Bax 2: Code Warriors

            [Mine's the one with the Ralgex in the pocket]

  3. Greybearded old scrote Silver badge
    Unhappy

    Not churn

    Churn implies replacements are coming in. We're haemorrhaging.

  4. hsmyers
    Thumb Down

    Social distancing…

    In so long as the idiots in the far corner of the room confine their idiocy to themselves, I will happily continue coding despite them.

    1. RM Myers
      Unhappy

      Re: Social distancing…

      The "idiots" in the far corner of the room probably are thinking the same thing about the "idiots"in the near corner. And thus the circle is completed...

      1. jake Silver badge

        Re: Social distancing…

        From my perspective, all of the idiots, regardless of corner (and some of their collateral damage, alas) are bailing ... leaving those of us interested in perl behind to work on perl instead of some social experiment that we never signed on for in the first place.

        A perl club for perl enthusiasts doing perl things in perl time. Imagine that.

        1. David Roberts

          Re: Social distancing…

          Is Perl Monks still a thing?

  5. mmlj4

    The community is partly at fault

    I've witnessed horrible behavior and (worse) the toleration of said horribleness by the Perl community for 18 years now. Why the perpetrators weren't pitchforked out eons ago is beyond me.

    1. boblongii

      Re: The community is partly at fault

      Where were you witnessing this? I've never even encountered this "Perl community"!

      1. John Gamble

        Re: The community is partly at fault

        Mailing list mostly, although the rot goes back to the comp.lang.perl days.

        Between passive-aggressive replies (which I see everywhere in coders regardless of language) and a resistance to change in the coding "infrastructure" (which is paradoxical given the changes people are willing to make in the language), reading some threads can be unpleasant. I can imagine what it's like for the actual recipients.

        Note, Perl is part of my set of languages, and I've even made a couple of contributions to the included modules, though not to the language itself. But I've kept off the mailing list.

      2. mmlj4

        Re: The community is partly at fault

        IRC and YAPC.

    2. jake Silver badge

      Re: The community is partly at fault

      To me it's a few prima-donnas who find issue with the slightest perceived hint of personality conflict, and then proceed to blow it completely out of proportion. Personally, I put those few folks on ignore, thus increasing the signal to noise ratio to something more meaningful. Same as have in comp.lang.perl.* these last decades.

      Frankly, loud-mouthed complainers rarely, if ever, contribute meaningfully in any field. Plonk 'em (and their enablers) along with the obvious intentional trolls (and their feeders), and life becomes much more sane.

  6. Blarkon

    Status seeking drives out competence

    All communities that reach a certain size end up being torn apart by those that seek status through social means. It's just easier to see in technical communities where introverted nerds get removed by extroverted status seekers. Social recognition becomes more important than technical contribution and the technical contributors eventually abandon ship.

  7. pc-fluesterer.info
    Black Helicopters

    Culmination because of anger at Covid-19 measures?

    The recent year and a half imposed severe restrictions on all of us. They made us quite unhappy and angry. The problem is, there is no single one to blame. But the bad temper piles up. And the first person in the way serves as outlet for all the rage. In my communities, neighbourhood and the like I observe that regularly. :-( It's a pity really.

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