back to article Full Stream ahead: Microsoft will end 'classic' method of recording Teams meetings despite transcription concerns

Microsoft's technology for recording Teams meetings, Stream, will fully transition to a new version from 16 August, though some users have concerns over transcription features still under development. Stream is a service for uploading, viewing, and sharing videos. Among its most common uses is for recording Teams meetings. …

  1. brett_x
    Coat

    Technology

    They should use butter technology to ease into change.

    1. David 132 Silver badge
      Happy

      Re: Technology

      I can’t stand this constant feature churn.

    2. Anonymous Coward
      Anonymous Coward

      Re: Technology

      Teams, I can't believe it's not butter.

      1. David 132 Silver badge

        Re: Technology

        It's just ghee-whiz technology.

        1. Paul Crawford Silver badge

          Re: Technology

          You really are milking this one.

          1. David Nash

            Re: Technology

            Who made this decision?

            How dairy!

            1. Fred Dibnah

              Re: Technology

              Bottle it will you?

            2. Anonymous Coward
              Anonymous Coward

              Re: Technology

              Calm down dude. Don't have a cow.

    3. Auntie Dix
      Devil

      Re: Technology

      Re: "They should use butter technology to ease into change."

      Similar to what was shown in the X-rated version of Last Tango in Paris, Micro$haft did.

      As usual, customers were taken advantage of and left sore and disgusted afterward.

  2. Anonymous Coward
    Anonymous Coward

    If you log a support call it is possible to get an exemption from the switch. But I never told you that and I was never here...

  3. Henry Wertz 1 Gold badge

    Ridiculous

    Honestly this sounds ridiculous. Being able to cut the beginning and end off a video, and to edit a text file, is not rocket science; if they want to move the storage into OneDrive, move the storage into OneDrive, why ship an update that is not feature complete?

    1. Anonymous Coward
      Anonymous Coward

      Re: Ridiculous

      Feels like Skype Déjà vu / Ground hog day.

    2. Someone Else Silver badge

      @Henry Wertz 1 -- Re: Ridiculous

      [...] why ship an update that is not feature complete?

      Uhhh, because it's Micros~1? Really, c'mon now...Micros~1 have been treating its 'customers' like lab rats for decades now. Why should this be any different?

      1. Bruce Ordway

        Re: @Henry Wertz 1 -- Ridiculous

        and of course.... Users with specific concerns are invited to contact support

    3. LDS Silver badge

      "why ship an update that is not feature complete?"

      Because since the first web applications people got used to new version that had less features than the previous ones and didn't complain. So why not move "to the cloud" and give less for the same money?

  4. Citizen of Nowhere

    Admins will be able to change the expiration date to a maximum of 273 years.

    That's a strangely specific number. What exactly does Microsoft have on their roadmap arriving in 2294? Presuming anything vaguely like civilisation still exists on this planet by that point.

    1. K Cartlidge

      Re: 273 years ... That's a strangely specific number.

      273 is the highest number of years that remains below 100,000 days (99,645).

      1. Adrian 4 Silver badge

        Re: 273 years ... That's a strangely specific number.

        So they're limiting it to fit into 100,000 days ... making sure it fits into a 17-bit number ? Seesm an odd constraint.

        1. Snapper
          Joke

          Re: 273 years ... That's a strangely specific number.

          Let me be the first....'100,000 should be enough for anyone'!

        2. Anonymous Coward
          Anonymous Coward

          Re: 273 years ... That's a strangely specific number.

          It starts to make sense when you realize they're using numeric fields in COBOL to store those values.

          1. John Brown (no body) Silver badge

            Re: 273 years ... That's a strangely specific number.

            Remember when we first learned programming? You were usually taught to end you list of DATA statements with an "out of range" number, something that would never be in the actual data. 9's were almost always used, so maybe they used 99999 to mark the end of the meta-data. Or they are planning for five nines uptime.

        3. Anonymous Coward
          Anonymous Coward

          Re: 273 years ... That's a strangely specific number.

          Picking a limit based on a power of 10 simply shows it was a decision made by a PHB rather than anyone technical...

    2. Roland6 Silver badge

      Re: Admins will be able to change the expiration date to a maximum of 273 years.

      But don't expect MS to be shipping tools capable of reading it after 10 years.

  5. Anonymous Coward
    Anonymous Coward

    More of Microsoft's abusive 'we know best' relationship, when will it end?

    Honestly, if you were in a relationship with such a controlling person in real life, and going by this, some would clearly class this an 'abusive/dominating relationship' by equivalence, you'd be taking them to court to get an injunction against them, to get them out of your life.

  6. Martin Summers Silver badge

    Does everything have to be by bloody powershell? Can anyone really say it makes their lives easier to have to piss about copying commands into powershell (that's if you're not of course blessed with a memory capable of typing everything without reference).

    I couldn't care less if they had some kind of turgid interface they made admins use, at least it would be immediately accessible and searchable. They seem to be dumbing down windows on one side, making everything controllable by the crappy app interface, and making things stupidly complex on the other. I just want to change settings in the most efficient manner. Maybe it's just me, maybe some people are manically happy with it. It's odd perhaps, because I've never had a problem using Linux command shells.

    1. cookieMonster
      Devil

      welcome to winlux

    2. Someone Else Silver badge

      bash, FTW!

      In my dreams...

    3. A Non e-mouse Silver badge

      It's interesting that in the past everyone used to complain that MS had no APIs and it was all unscriptable GUIs.

    4. DonL

      Powershell is a mess:

      - The syntax is horrible, they should have just used an existing language like python and extend it with a library;

      - The Linux version of powershell isn't supported by all modules (like the O365 module);

      - MS often abandons modules and then releases something new which lacks a lot of features of the old module;

      - It's not backward compatible, sometimes you need to use an older version to get something done.

      - The <verb>-<noun> idea messes up autocomplete, so instead of "Get-Module" they should have gone with "Module-Get" so you could see the available options through autocomplete after typing "Module-".

      Perhaps it grows on you if you only use powershell, but when you're working with multiple languages then powershell is really awkward to work with.

      1. AndrueC Silver badge
        Happy

        The 'integration' with .NET is very nice though if you already have a .NET ecosystem.

      2. richardcox13

        > they should have just used an existing language

        They did: a large part of the syntax comes from VMS's DCL.

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  8. Tron Bronze badge

    273 years hence, humanity wiped out, Microsoft's cloud survives.

    If the product is no longer fit for purpose, you should switch to another.

    You don't have to use it, just because it is Microsoft.

    If you all slavishly accept everything MS shovel out, you have nobody to blame but yourselves.

    If the screencap is accurate, their auto-transcription is iffy. There must be an alternative.

    Tech should obey the laws of the market. It is only different if you let it be. If you switch to a better product, or build a better product, a poorer product that deletes the features you need will lose market share.

    Grow a pair and vote with your feet or accept your endless digital servitude in the sweaty embrace of Micro$oft.

    1. Anonymous Coward
      Anonymous Coward

      Yup It's so easy to walk away from Microsoft

      There types a man who has never rolled out an application to several thousand users spread across several hundred sites.

      You've obviously never implemented any major products, virtually every COTS package I have worked on relies on integration with office, if you need to transfer complex documents, spreadsheets etc between organisations you invariably come across compatibility issues if you use anything but MSOffice.

      I have managed projects in an environment where the organisation "had transitioned" to Google Docs. Great idea in theory but in reality they still had a corporate licence for MSOffice and it was deployed in parallel on over 50% of machines so there was no saving to be had there.

      On my personal machines I use a mix of Libre office and 0365. The older tattier laptops tend to have Libre office on them as they are used very occasionally and would struggle with later versions of MSOffice.

      I've nothing against Libre Ofice I've used it since the first release of Open Office by Sun. But when I'm working with a corporate customer I need to use Microsoft products or 'glitches' in formatting appear in even the simplest documents.

      Office P

      1. Snapper

        Re: Yup It's so easy to walk away from Microsoft

        The problem has always been people like you accepting MS products as somehow 'industry standard'. Makes it bloody hard for anyone with a better idea to get a toe-hold.

        And look where it's got you.

        1. Pascal

          Re: Yup It's so easy to walk away from Microsoft

          It's not about "accepting", it's about "getting business done".

          As a service provider you align with what your client provides, if LibreOffice fits that's fine, if it does not, MS Office's license is just part of the cost of doing business.

          Adobe's licences are more less the same, your client provides photoshop files only compatible with the latest version that your free software can't handle right? Well, the Adobe license is part of your cost of doing business.

          Sometimes you are in a position to recommend technology to a client, or help a startup pick what they will use, and you can then push as much as you like towards your preferred technology.

          But if you try to take a stance and tell a client "yeah no, don't send me .docx files" or "don't send me psd files" and try to put it on them to align with your preferences instead of the other way around, you'll be "that weird guy they stopped doing business with".

      2. Anonymous Coward
        Anonymous Coward

        Re: Yup It's so easy to walk away from Microsoft

        if you need to transfer complex documents, spreadsheets etc between organisations you invariably come across compatibility issues if you use different versions of MSOffice.

        FTFY.

  9. MrBanana Silver badge

    A new journey

    Really? "A new journey" is their latest way of describing free User Acceptance Testing to the Windows masses.

  10. fpx
    Facepalm

    There is a long list of missing features and bugs in Teams that Microsoft just does not address.

    My crappy web cam gets confused by a bright background (it's called the sun) and gets the automatic white balance wrong, so that my face ends up black. In Skype for Business, I could just click on a button and adjust camera settings manually. Not in Teams. The recommended workaround is to adjust the settings using SfB while in a Teams call. Really?

    More recently, my participant list keeps disappearing. According to the Microsoft user forum, there are thousands others with the same issue, but nothing has been happening there since April.

    So I have very little faith that they will get around to adding transcript edititng anytime soon. They are far too busy redesigning the UX every other week, and adding new features so that they can keep popping up tool tips to keep their captive users engaged. Got it!

  11. Abominator

    Lets pad it with lots of shit new features and forget about all the bugs and how slow it is and how much memory it uses and you can't even change the fucking font of the chat.

  12. BiffoTheBorg

    Microsoft 365 Family starts to look attractive at £79.99 per year, 6TB cloud + latest Office.

    What has happened to me, somebody put me back on the straight and narrow.

    1. Martin Summers Silver badge

      If you keep an eye out on Amazon (and sometimes Argos) it is very frequently at least £20 cheaper than that for the family pack. I've never paid £80 for it.

    2. AR2077

      You can use the 5 year O365 Personal to Family upgrade method. To get 5 years Family for a fraction of the cost. Splitting the costs with 6 other people also increases the value.

      The trick is waiting 1 month for personal if loaded 5 years’ worth then using the upgrade offer. The hard ceiling was 5 years of either plan.

      After the 5th year any attempt to use 1 year Personal sub would only give 9 months increase in length to the Family plan you are on. So its better value for money to get the cheap Argos/ Amazon (track it with price spy and Camelcamelcamel) O365 Family Keys.

  13. Ben1892

    To the business users...

    ... yes, you wanted Teams

    ...no, we have no control over it ...stop calling us to fix it, the best we can do is choose the font and maybe company branding

  14. Anonymous Coward
    Anonymous Coward

    Whenever I want to ruin a meeting by giggling continosly I enable subtitles in Teams. It may kind of work for English, but for e.g. Swedish it tries to guess which English word sounds kind of like the one someone just said in Swedish. The result is best filed under "Insane Word Salad".

  15. FlamingDeath Silver badge

    New, shiny, fun

    Never

    Proven, robust, secure

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