back to article UK artists seek 'luvvie levy' on new gadgets to make up for all the media that consumers access online

Leading lights in the world of "the arts" have called for a techy tax on mobiles, laptops, and PCs to help finance creative industries they claim have been ravaged by lack of revenue and funding. DACS – the visual artists' rights management nonprofit – reckons a levy of 1-2 per cent on the sale of new tech gadgets could help …

  1. Pascal Monett Silver badge
    Stop

    What ?

    "redress the balance caused by people accessing music, films, and other creative material online without paying for it directly "

    Hey, I'm all for supporting the Arts, but why choose to tax the equipment ? If people are consuming creative material online, they're going somewhere for that, so tax that place.

    Are we going to start hearing a variation on VHS killed the film industry ?

    Stop this nonsense.

    1. 2+2=5 Silver badge
      Joke

      Re: What ?

      > If people are consuming creative material online, they're going somewhere for that, so tax that place.

      We've already got a bedroom tax. <fnarr>.

      1. Anonymous Coward
        Anonymous Coward

        Re: What ?

        >We've already got a bedroom tax

        So all those kitchen, washing machine + step-sister incidents are just a tax dodge?

    2. Arthur 1

      Re: What ?

      Sadly these can and do get passed. Every piece of blank media (tape, optical, whatever, might even apply to flash?) in Canada has a $0.29 levy on it to support the poor artists whose material you clearly intend to steal.

      1. nintendoeats Bronze badge

        Re: What ?

        Crap, so this is why CD-Rs are so expensive here. That is several times the actual cost of manufacture. I can't believe that some of my money has gone to Kanye West because I wanted to install software from companies that no longer exist on computers that are slower than the microcontroller in my fridge.

        :(

        1. Arthur 1

          Re: What ?

          If it helps over 75% of the money collected bypasses artists and goes right to the studios/publishers and their execs, so Kanye probably didn't get anything from you.

          1. nintendoeats Bronze badge

            Re: What ?

            You know, that almost makes me feel better. Wait, no it doesn't.

      2. big_D Silver badge

        Re: What ?

        It is the same in Germany, all blank media and mobile hard drives and USB sticks, I believe, have a similar levy.

        As I only use them for storing my own material and making backups of my own material, I find it a poor idea.

    3. big_D Silver badge

      Re: What ?

      Exactly. I don't listen to music on my phone or watch films, I listen to audio books, which I have purchased already, and I listen to podcasts, most of which I already support financially (I pay a voluntary subscription to around 80% of the podcasts I listen to - I could download them for free, but I want to support the people producing them).

      Why should I pay more, when I already pay for everything I consume on the device, or the podcasts are handed out for free?

  2. Richard Jones 1
    FAIL

    Another VD TX, (Value Deduction Tax)

    Who else besides the luvvies would think up a VD tax? I have nothing produced by them on my devices, though I do have some self-created images from the last 50 plus years, Can I tax the damned luvvies? To recover the cost of film and digital cards used more recently.

    Another daft, no make that obnoxious idea for file thirteen.

    1. John Brown (no body) Silver badge

      Re: Another VD TX, (Value Deduction Tax)

      I was just thinking there should be a "tech tax" on the crayons and art paper to help re-build our struggling science and tech industries.

  3. Grunchy

    Guilty as charged - I blame FM radio

    I never buy any albums and why would I when I can nail the dial to ckua.com?

    (and if I wanted I could capture the stream with "total recorder" for time-shift purposes, I guess I could, I never have.)

  4. karlkarl Silver badge
    Megaphone

    So they want to dip in to every tech sale *and* keep strict DRM on their sales?

    But on the bright side. I bought a new mouse the other day, so I suppose all my years of pirating films is now justified. All is right in the world once more.

    Megaphone icon because: If I bought one of these tech gadgets, it means now I can steal a handbag or a car right? My memory of that classic advert is fading!

    1. Kane Silver badge
      Joke

      "Megaphone icon because: If I bought one of these tech gadgets, it means now I can steal a handbag or a car right? My memory of that classic advert is fading!"

      You Wouldn't Download A Car, Would You?

  5. Ordinary Donkey

    Okay.

    There is a video on the internet somewhere of me making a glove puppet sing happy birthday. Where do I sign up for my cut of these millions? Does the puppet have to sign too?

    1. karlkarl Silver badge

      Re: Okay.

      I bough a tech gadget once. Therefore it is my consumer right to be presented with this video.

      (Seriously, now I do kinda want to see it! I always predicted that some of the guys on these forums must be more creative than me. I never dreamed that I would one day get to experience it!)

      1. Ordinary Donkey

        Re: Okay.

        If you can find it you can watch it. It's a wolf with a balloon.

    2. Anonymous Coward
      Anonymous Coward

      Re: Okay.

      Did you pay the licence fee to use the song Happy Birthday in your video ...?

      1. Arthur the cat Silver badge

        Re: Okay.

        Did you pay the licence fee to use the song Happy Birthday in your video ...?

        It's public domain in the US and Europe, the copyright claim was invalid. See Wikipedia.

        1. Yet Another Anonymous coward Silver badge

          Re: Okay.

          But the concept of "happy" is now property of the Disney corporation

      2. Anonymous Coward
        Anonymous Coward

        Re: Okay.

        Well, he bought the tech gizmo that he wrote that post on.

        That should cover it right?

  6. Anonymous Coward
    Anonymous Coward

    Too much money is already wasted on "supporting the arts". Approx 4 billions pounds a year of our tax money.

    If these artists are talented enough to make salable product, then they can sell it, otherwise they should just sponging and get a proper job like everybody else.

    1. EvilGardenGnome

      That's how you end up with only Marvel movies and TV reboot series. Also, the spin-off money from the arts has the highest ROI for any government investment.

      1. SkippyBing

        If it's such a good investment then may I suggest the luvvies invest in themselves to make up any perceived shortfall in profits.

      2. BlokeInTejas

        Citation needed.

    2. John Brown (no body) Silver badge
      Joke

      "If these artists are talented enough to make salable product, then they can sell it, otherwise they should just sponging and get a proper job like everybody else"

      Isn't the struggle of being poor supposed to be what feeds the creative juices and provide inspiration?

    3. nintendoeats Bronze badge

      I've really had enough of salable products. The world is dramatically improved by the existence of non-salable products. Salability only demonstrates that somebody has convinced somebody else that the thing has value. Quite often, that event is completely independent of the thing's actual value.

      This effect is not exclusive to the arts.

      1. Robert Grant Silver badge

        If you think something is undervalued, then buy it yourself. It's not different to anything else someone thinks is undervalued.

  7. Snowy Silver badge
    Facepalm

    Blank media tax V2.0

    First they did it with a tax on blank media (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Private_copying_levy) and now they want to put it on devices.

    Oddly the articles does not includes tablets.

    1. Yet Another Anonymous coward Silver badge

      Re: Blank media tax V2.0

      There is still a 25c/each tax on blank CDs here to pay for piracy. The money goes to the equivalent of the RIAA but somehow never made it to any artists, meanwhile small bands selling CDs at their gigs had to pay the tax.

      There was a proposal to put a $50 tax on iPods but the iPod died out before it got passed

      1. Dazed and Confused

        Re: Blank media tax V2.0

        > meanwhile small bands selling CDs at their gigs had to pay the tax.

        My son is just getting into the content creation business, I assume this tax means that he and the many others like him are being expected to pay to subsidise the established players in this field.

        1. Yet Another Anonymous coward Silver badge

          Re: Blank media tax V2.0

          In theory yes, in practice it never covered the costs of the industry body administering the scheme so the money just went to paying executives

          1. jake Silver badge

            Re: Blank media tax V2.0

            Just like your common or garden pyramid scheme.

          2. Dazed and Confused

            Re: Blank media tax V2.0

            The small time players don't make enough money to fund the executives expensive habits through the normal channels, so I guess they have to find another way to gouge money out of them.

  8. Mishak

    redress the balance caused by people accessing ... online without paying for it directly

    So, my Netflix, Amazon subscription doesn't generate any revenue for them? Or do they mean they should have asked for more? Or do they just think that they should be paid more than once?

    Why should they get 2% on the $10,000 I used to build a crypto mining rig? (I didn't, but I might have).

    Get real.

    1. nintendoeats Bronze badge

      Re: redress the balance caused by people accessing ... online without paying for it directly

      I mean, the reality is that for music at least streaming has been horrid. It is almost impossible to make money on Spotify.

      1. SkippyBing

        Re: redress the balance caused by people accessing ... online without paying for it directly

        I'm not sure an extra tax solves that though, it's just subsidising Spotify's business model. Which I object to.

        No I don't have a Spotify account I still buy CDs and rip them. So come the zombie apocalypse and the fall of civilisation I'll still have all my music. Who'll be laughing then hey?

        1. nintendoeats Bronze badge

          Re: redress the balance caused by people accessing ... online without paying for it directly

          I completely agree, this is not the solution. I just wanted to acknowledge that capitalism has completely failed to ensure that minor artists get paid.

          1. Robert Grant Silver badge

            Re: redress the balance caused by people accessing ... online without paying for it directly

            Of course it has. It's failed to ensure that I get paid for typing this as well.

      2. theDeathOfRats

        Re: redress the balance caused by people accessing ... online without paying for it directly

        Then that's something to be solved between Spotify and the artists/creators/performers/whatever.

        My computers are not iPods, Zunes, or Fucking Walkmans. These machines are fucking workhorses. There's no way they could be involved in your streaming shit. We already pay a tax on every fucking blank media because "it can be used to pirate registered shit". And there is no way to get a refund when you use it to store your own(ed) content. Like backups and shit.

        So, no.

        And sorry, not sorry for this rant.

      3. SundogUK Silver badge

        Re: redress the balance caused by people accessing ... online without paying for it directly

        True but this cure is way worse than the disease.

  9. TeeCee Gold badge
    Facepalm

    What Could Possibly Go Wrong?

    I mean, apart from grey imports destroying the UK media devices business overnight...

    1. elsergiovolador Silver badge

      Re: What Could Possibly Go Wrong?

      Sounds like one of instruments Russia or China could come up with to keep pulling apart our economy.

      It's so easy to find a group of young bored people, given them money in exchange to scream whatever the agenda is to the media and hoping some of that will stick.

  10. Pierson

    What free stuff?

    Hmmm, my "media consumption":

    Netflix, Spotify ... Paid by monthly subscription

    BBC etc ... Paid for with my TV licence fee

    ITV etc ... Supported by advertising

    DVDs ... All paid for at retail prices

    So, where's all this free shit that the luvvies imagine I'm mainlining 24/7 ?

    1. arthoss

      Re: What free stuff?

      it's probably art displayed on your way from your place to your work... A lot of good that does when you work from home.

      1. Doctor Syntax Silver badge

        Re: What free stuff?

        Would that be the art in posters, for which I assume the artist gets a fee, or graffiti?

    2. Evilgoat76

      Re: What free stuff?

      As a landlord I also pay Three organisations to make sure the executive<<<< artists are paid whenever a song is played in the building on top of all you've mentioned.

  11. Kurgan

    We have this shit in Italy

    We have this shit in Italy, it's called "equo compenso" (something like "the right compensation") and it's needed to fund the SIAE, which is a clusterfuck in itself. It's applied to almost everything: servers, disks, any recordeable media, pcs, phones, set top boxes, etc. It's quite easily avoidable by buying online from some European seller.

    1. elsergiovolador Silver badge

      Re: We have this shit in Italy

      This type of scam is copied in every country.

      From Wikipedia:

      65% of artists registered with the SIAE receive royalties totalling less than their registration fees.

      1. Claverhouse Silver badge

        Re: We have this shit in Italy

        Looked that up.

        From 2013 to February 2015, the main spokesperson of the SIAE organization was the songwriter Gino Paoli, who was the president of the society. Paoli resigned after he was investigated for tax evasion

        https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/SIAE

  12. Anonymous Coward
    Anonymous Coward

    They already have something similar in Germany...a portion of your broadband bill goes to the media industry, on the assumption that you're just going to pirate everything, so at least this way they get something from you.

    But...it's still illegal to pirate. Hmm. So...they charge you a levy on the assumption you're going to do it, and it's illegal if you actually do it. How does that work?

    1. jake Silver badge

      It works the same way you pay taxes on all income ... including income received from doing illegal things, like dealing drugs or selling stolen property.

      1. Pascal Monett Silver badge

        I have a hunch that people who sell drugs or stolen property have a tendancy to not declare that revenue on their income tax.

        1. Nifty Silver badge

          Isn't Britain the country that saw a sharp increase in GDP when drugs & prostitution were included in economic activity?

        2. jake Silver badge

          True enough. It's still tax evasion, though.

          Read up on what took down Al Capone.

      2. Robert Grant Silver badge

        > It works the same way you pay taxes on all income ... including income received from doing illegal things, like dealing drugs or selling stolen property.

        You've missed it. The entire premise of this new tax is that it's to make up for content you're no doubt pirating. Income tax is not taken on the basis that the government thinks you stole the income.

  13. Andy The Hat Silver badge

    Oh the irony ...

    Only in Britain could you suggest taxing one of the outlets for your product.

    Perhaps a tax on theatres and music venues? Perhaps a tax on written music scores and violins?

    Perhaps a tax on those "superstars" who are paid excessively ... oh, nerve touched there I reckon ...

    1. AMBxx Silver badge
      FAIL

      Re: Oh the irony ...

      It's 'only in Britain' because a lot of other countries have already been daft enough to implement.

    2. Mishak

      Only in Britain could you suggest taxing

      Well, it's been raised in Britain, but it's not from an official (government) source.

  14. Dusty Notes

    What about the people in the software world?

    This techy tax should go towards a fund for the unsung people in the software development world that this DACS 'non-profit' rely on for ripping off each others work.

    How about an eating tax to be applied to supermarkets to create a fund to help support the restaurants that are struggling with the pandemic?

    And an alcohol tax for the pubs and clubs that are also struggling.

    1. Arthur the cat Silver badge
      Trollface

      Re: What about the people in the software world?

      Let's shake it up – a tax on the arts to buy beer and pizza for people writing software.

    2. ibmalone Silver badge

      Re: What about the people in the software world?

      An open source fund would make more sense!

      Thinking of buying a new development laptop, 3% of a neat £1500 comes out at £45, am I any more likely to use this to do whatever it is they think I should be paying for than with a £30 Fire Stick / Chromecast / Roku? Do we have to pay it on our server and storage purchases?

      Anyway, this problem is largely sewn up now, access through mobile devices and smart devices means most people are using streaming services for legal access (or semi-legal in the case of youtube videos). If producers aren't getting paid enough then that's the door to knock on. Or maybe do it out of general taxation, after all, I sometimes overhear buskers without paying them and no device was involved there.

    3. jake Silver badge

      Re: What about the people in the software world?

      More likely you'll see a tax on people working from home to pay the owners of all that office space who aren't getting paid anymore, and more tax on fuel to pay all the poor gas(petrol) station operators who have been missing revenue this last year. These have actually been suggested here in the Bay Area.

      Bridge tolls are going up, partially because we've had less traffic. I kid you not.

      And don't forget schools ... Schools are funded according to how many students they have had in the classroom recently. Not enrolled, mind, but the language actually states "in the classroom". Guess what happens when a pandemic ensures there are no kids in the classroom?

      1. nintendoeats Bronze badge

        Re: What about the people in the software world?

        The bridge toll makes perfect sense. Bridge costs f(X) to maintain, where X is the number of cars every year. Unfortunately, f is not a linear function: even if the bridge has nobody going over it, there is still expensive maintenance and inspection that must be done (not to mention recouping the cost of building it, which is completely independent of usage).

        It's pretty intuitive that if fewer people are using a fixed-cost resource, the cost to each user must go up.

  15. Howard Sway

    "luvvie levy"

    Sony Operating profit 2020-2021

    games and network services division : $3.17 billion

    music division: $1.74 billion.

    BMG : boosted its annual profit by 34 percent to $1.77 billion

    Netflix : made $542 million in profit on $6.64 billion in sales in the fourth quarter 2020.

    I gave up looking any further at this point. I think we can all see where this "luvvie levy" really needs to come from if the artists feel they're getting a rough deal. More than enough money is being made.

    1. elsergiovolador Silver badge

      Re: "luvvie levy"

      There is no point in looking at profits, because these are artificially low for tax purposes.

      1. Dave314159ggggdffsdds Silver badge

        Re: "luvvie levy"

        Why do people believe these insane conspiracy theories? Obviously that's complete nonsense, given even a moment's thought.

  16. Anonymous Coward
    Anonymous Coward

    FOSS

    I think a "techy tax" would be far better employed supporting FOSS! Think of all those people who have contributed software that underpins many of these devices and networks for little or no return.

    1. elsergiovolador Silver badge

      Re: FOSS

      Developers should lobby that companies should be paying royalties from use of their code and that the complete transfer of IP wouldn't be legal, e.g. the worker should keep minimum 1%.

      1. John Brown (no body) Silver badge

        Re: FOSS

        Ummm Free Open Source Software.

        1. jake Silver badge

          Re: FOSS

          Exactly. Free.

          I didn't contribute expecting to get paid ... although a nickle for every instance of TCP/IP which contains code that I wrote would certainly be nice, to say nothing of the myriad of patches I've contributed to the Linux kernel, BSD, GNU and FOSS in general over the decades :-)

        2. Aladdin Sane Silver badge

          Re: FOSS

          Free as in speech, not free as in beer.

  17. BlokeInTejas

    It's basically a demand that the gummint pay them for failing at their hobby (it must be hobby, because if it were work they'd be getting paid).

    What we need is lions. Fierce, hungry lions. That'd fix this particular problem, and might work well in other areas, too.

    1. Yet Another Anonymous coward Silver badge

      >What we need is lions. Fierce, hungry lions

      At least that would provide entertainment, Luvvies vs Lions at Wembley

      1. Andy The Hat Silver badge

        Presumably we will have to impliment "knawing fees" and "roaring subsidies" in case somebody impersonates a lion? As part of their job, lions would also be entitled to tax rebates on hair care and dental work ... or am I getting confused with "Twats From Essex"?

      2. Anonymous Coward
        Anonymous Coward

        Three lions on his shirt!

    2. John Brown (no body) Silver badge

      might work well in other arenas, too.

      FTFY

    3. Aladdin Sane Silver badge

      Also, I think knives are a good idea. Big, fuck-off shiny ones. Ones that look like they could skin a crocodile. Knives are good, because they don't make any noise, and the less noise they make, the more likely we are to use them. Shit 'em right up. Makes it look like we're serious. Guns for show, knives for a pro.

  18. elsergiovolador Silver badge

    A fiddle

    We all know that money will never end up in artists' bank accounts.

    Seems like an interesting fiddle.

    - Find a disadvantaged group of people that public may feel sympathy for

    - Keep screaming how that group is treated so badly

    - Create a fund where the tax payer money will be siphoned into

    - Get your mates to help themselves to it, but make sure anyone else is excluded

    - When the money runs out and the disadvantaged group finds out, run a PR how that group of people is ungrateful and never satisfied.

    Rinse and repeat.

    The above is just my personal opinion. I am not suggesting something like this would actually happen.

    1. ShabWeasel
      Coat

      Re: A fiddle

      Hold up - that's the Conservative manifesto....

      1. nijam Silver badge

        Re: A fiddle

        > Hold up - that's the Conservative manifesto....

        And Labour. And the Unions. And... oh, your can fill the rest in for yourselves.

  19. Pete 2 Silver badge

    Sauce for the goose

    So if we are all to be taxed on tech purchases because some "creatives" prefer to spend their days on the sofa waiting for their agents to call, then how about a tax on their performances to pay for all the people who write FOSS - that all those artists undoubtedly use for free while they are on the internet all day?

  20. Abominator

    Perhaps if they can't make a living and they don't like it, they should go get a dull job like the rest of us that pays the bills rather than taxing everybody else.

    Talk about leeches. Suffer for you art if it means so much to you. The rest of us have our own problems to deal with.

    Here's an idea. Perhaps have a super tax on on all the successful artists to pay for the less successful.

  21. martinusher Silver badge

    Most content is worthless

    Sorry, Its not the content creator's fault. Its just a fact of life.

    Relatively few artists / musicians / what-have-you are able to make a living doing what they do. Its a lottery where talent and success aren't necessarily related -- some get rich, some scrape by but most, like the rest of us, need a day job. Subsidies and grants tend to go to the well-connected and getting and maintaining these becomes almost a job in of itself.

    I wouldn't dream of charging for the stuff I create. But then I know how much its really worth.

    1. Anonymous Coward
      Anonymous Coward

      Re: Most content is worthless

      Agreed, though with of course the distinction between worth and value. My BF is an artist - a pretty good one. But he knows it's next to impossible to make a living doing what he does...so it stays a hobby.

      That's how it is for most creative types. Very few actually earn a living writing, performing or creating. At best it's something you can do in your spare time that might get you a little extra beer money, but not to live on.

      Curiously the market seems to be widening. On the one hand you have musicians getting paid $100,000,000 for the rights to their music, and on the other you have people selling their albums made in their bedrooms for $5 on Bandcamp. At least now amateurs can get their work seen/heard, but it's harder than ever to make it your full time job.

      1. Robert Grant Silver badge

        Re: Most content is worthless

        It's not that surprising. Take away tech that allows quick distribution of content and almost every artist becomes a local impoverished entertainer. Add the tech back and suddenly anyone can be heard/seen, but it becomes a winner takes all scenario, where popular people are more likely to remain popular, and unknown people have a harder time breaking in.

    2. John Brown (no body) Silver badge

      Re: Most content is worthless

      Relatively few artists / musicians / what-have-you are able to make a living doing what they do."

      A mate of mine was in a band. They supported some very big names back in the day, but never made it themselves. He owned all the gear, amps, speakers and whatnot. He went into the rental business and made more from that than performing.

      The old adage about the guy selling shovels in a gold rush. Most miners will fail but the people selling the gear are guaranteed to do well, if not as well as the successful miners.

  22. JWLong Bronze badge

    Royalties

    When accountability is finally brought into the entertainment industry and the already collected royalties are properly distributed, this money issue will become a non-issue.

    Until then, NOPE - aint' going to happen.

  23. TDog
    FAIL

    Kindle

    Every damn book on my Kindle has been paid for. So why should I pay the beggars again? Oh, of course. Three of them came from project Gutenberg.

    1. ShadowSystems

      Re: Kindle

      Exactly this. A million times this. The primary source of the media I consume is either the ripped audio from CD's I've already purchased, Ebooks I've already purchased, or the free audio books for the blind; I've spent decades collecting & ripping music so I could listen to it where, when, & on whatever I damn well pleased; I've either purchased Ebooks by the thousands, downloaded free books from sources like Project Gutenberg, or paid for podcasts of authors I like (Welcome to Nightvale, I love you!); I've either purchased audio books (like the boxed set of the Welcome to Nightvale collection), or the source of which is free because my taxes already paid for it; so what & where *exactly* do you propose to tax to further enrich all those artists I've already paid for?

      "But what about all those movies & tv shows & videos on Hulu, Netflix, & Youtube that you binge watch?" Sorry, no. I don't watch them any longer because I'm blind & the canned laugh tracks aren't amusing when you don't have the visual clues as to whatever it's being played to enhance. When all you hear is car chases, gun fire, explosions, & "damsel in distress" screaming on a seemingly endless loop, you quickly realize there isn't anything worth bothering with (much less paying for) any longer. "But there are awesome shows about..." Stop right there. They might be interesting if you can see what's going on, but when your only means of consumption renders it all into a single dimensional dumpster fire of unintelligible crap, you wind up finding your entertainment elsewhere. Like audio books, Ebooks, & music. For which I've already paid.

      If I were sighted & still consumed media like the rest of society (tv, streaming, etc) then sure, I'd pay for those resources, but since I don't do the first I also no longer do the second. But you want to tax me as if I don't already have a personal library from which to consume, and that's the part that makes me wonder.

      TL;DR: Your tax idea sucks. I've already paid for my library, I'm not going to pay you again.

  24. xyz123

    Basically this would only go to multi-millionaires and billionaires that own theatres.

    They're the ones pushing for this behind the scenes.

    Wouldn't surprise me if Andrew-Lloyd Webber wanted his fingers in this pie.

  25. xyz123

    OK introduce this tax.

    But i want a tax on the radio waves wasted when shitty TV is on. Also a 50% tax payable on theatre costumes that goes to System Admins.

  26. The Central Scrutinizer

    In breaking news, restaurant owners demand a tax on all kitchenware that is then paid to them, because people are *gasp* cooking at home!

  27. Anonymous Coward
    Anonymous Coward

    Pay?

    Maybe if they had an Entertainers Hunger Games channel.

    Maybe then….

  28. IGotOut Silver badge

    Follow the money

    So no money in streaming?

    "In total, that meant the majors’ recorded music divisions collectively turned over $2.26bn from streaming in the fourth calendar quarter… which equates to $24.8m per day"

    https://www.musicbusinessworldwide.com/its-happened-the-major-labels-are-now-generating-over-1m-every-hour-from-streaming/

  29. Andrew Barr
    Facepalm

    No more tech for Luvvies then

    Sounds like they have shot themselves in both feet as they probably haven't realised how much tech is used within their own industry, and now it will cost them more with the money they haven't got!

  30. Evil Scot
    Headmaster

    Two Links that sum up my attitude.

    Please click to donate 0.0001c to him...

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cE4lpSFNFUE

    as for the big names well...

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Vqbk9cDX0l0

    Do my best to support these underground artists. I have the CDs and, i am cutting my own throat here, the T-shirt.

    Icon. He found this better than teaching.

  31. tekHedd

    "Distribute it to the creatives"...

    The cynical editor in my head is hard at work with this one, replacing "writers and performers" with "Sony" etc.

    I love how, when I perform an original piece of music in a public place with my band, Taylor Swift gets a little bit of the money the bar made that night. :P Love you Tay but that's MY 0.04 cents, thanks.

  32. Aussie Doc Bronze badge
    Facepalm

    Optional sensible title here

    Well, I have broadband at good speeds so I'll obviously simply download all my pirate stuff, poop in a policeman's helmet, deliver it to his wife etc etc etc.

    Maybe, on the side, I can continue to run my video/graphics business from home as well.

    Whilst listening to <some pirate title album or other>.

    Muppets.

  33. Mark Wallace

    Why tax tech?

    Some people eat while listening to music, and some people sit down -- so why not tax food or chairs?

    Hell, why not give ALL your money to pop singers? They're obviously the most worthy people in the world -- I mean, can you name one who hasn't won the Nobel Peace Prize, or come up with a medical advance that's saved millions of lives?

    1. jake Silver badge

      Re: Why tax tech?

      I think you'll discover that most places have entertainment taxes, occupancy taxes, and food (in restaurants) is most certainly taxed.

      However, this isn't about pop singers. It's about industry executives and other shareholders. If you have never read Janis Ian's rather excellent commentary on the subject, do yourself a favo(u)r and check it out. Read the follow-up, too.

      Suggestion: Get a cuppa, and find a quiet place where you won't be interrupted before starting in on it. It's longish (for this sound-bytebit addicted modern world), and quite densely packed with large doses of reality.

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