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Online stalking appears to be as much a part of modern relationships as lovingly sharing a single spoon and dessert in a dimly lit restaurant or arguing over who should put out the bins. That's just one of the conclusions from antivirus merchant Norton's latest look at online trends which found that nearly one in 10 people in …

  1. Claptrap314 Silver badge

    Potato, potatoe

    I would want to probe deeply into what people mean by "online stalking" before drawing any conclusions from this. In particular, I really, REALLY doubt that 1/3 of "people surveyed globally" have the chops to trick a lover into installing stalkerware.

    1. Chris G

      Re: Potato, potatoe

      I think for tracking it only needs something like an Apple Tile hidden in a ex/partner's car.

      Stalker ware wise, enough people leave their phones lying around, I have no idea what is involved in the installation of stalker ware but if it is as simple as installing and app.....

      1. Gene Cash Silver badge

        Re: Potato, potatoe

        if it really is as simple as installing an app.. don't people ever look at their installed apps? And go WTF is this? I assume it would somehow cloak itself? I guess this wouldn't be the first time I overestimated the aptitude of the general public.

        1. T. F. M. Reader

          Re: Potato, potatoe

          I'd naively assume that people who share their phone password don't audit their apps.

    2. doublelayer Silver badge

      Re: Potato, potatoe

      I'm guessing most of the 33% is social media tracking, which could be anything from reading anything they post to actively tracking the information of those posts to create more detailed timelines. The article says 10% is the figure for installed software, which is still a lot higher than I would have expected.

      1. Michael Wojcik Silver badge

        Re: Potato, potatoe

        "Reading anything they post", assuming that's authorized access, shouldn't be included in the definition. I wonder whether the report authors did so, though I'm not curious enough to bother reading the report itself.

        I occasionally see messages posted by a former partner, because she sent me a "friend request" years ago, and I accepted it since I had no reason not to. (I never post on social media myself, but I do occasionally check one or two accounts to see what might be happening with family members and the handful of others I've added.) I'm certainly not "stalking" her in any useful sense of the word.

        Similarly, I can't muster much concern about people doing online searches for those they are, or were, in relationships with. If the material is public, then it's public. There's a vast gulf between that and either invasive use of IT (like stalkerware) or physical surveillance (even in public spaces).

    3. Cuddles

      Re: Potato, potatoe

      Indeed. When people talk about something like "Facebook stalking", what they actually mean is looking at someone's Facebook page slightly more than they might normally do. It's not stalking in any meaningful sense of the word, and is not at all the same thing as installing programs on someone else's property to spy on them. It does seem there is a real problem with stalkerware, and it's not going to help matters if it's conflated with completely different and entirely harmless behaviour.

  2. elsergiovolador Silver badge

    Ad stalkers

    Are you not being stalked constantly by advertisement companies? They try to find anything about you just to shove a right ad in front of your eyes stealing your time and probably contents of your wallet by making you buy something you didn't even care about a minute before.

    Why is that legal?

  3. Dave Taflin
    Big Brother

    Loose definition of stalking

    According to the referenced article, I "stalk" my spouse every time I open my phone's Find My app (which shows the location of her phone). Seems like they're applying a pretty loose definition of stalking.

  4. JDPower666

    "When online creeping manifests into a compulsive pattern or evolves to use technology and tactics to discreetly track activity on someone's personal device or harass them online, it becomes a serious issue of cyber stalking"

    Um, hasn't he just described Google?

  5. Christoph

    "In the US, men are three times as likely as women to use spyware to monitor their current partner or an ex."

    I've seen stories that a lot of women will check on a possible partner online in case he is dangerous. Just where you draw the line between that and cyberstalking is ... probably multiple different answers depending on who you ask. But a man doing the same thing might well be accused of stalking.

    1. Michael Wojcik Silver badge

      It would rather depend on what "check on" means.

  6. Anonymous Coward
    Anonymous Coward

    I had a "friend" that did this to his ex for a custody battle

    Turned him in for it, hence the anon.

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