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Google is spearheading an effort to save a visa rule that allows the spouses of H-1B visa holders awaiting green cards to work in the US. On Friday, Google and 40 other companies and organizations filed an amicus brief supporting the Department of Homeland Security's (DHS) H-4 employment authorization document (H-4 EAD) …

  1. Claverhouse Silver badge

    The New Oil

    I rather understand both side's points of view, but why is America's Economy and future use of technological 'brilliance' entirely formed of Big Computer Tech Firms and their needs; and the Internet; and the Internet's propagation of Big Advertising --- being reliant thereon --- ?

    I'm obviously fond of both computers and the Internet --- up to a point, and not when it includes Fat Slab Style --- but there is more to life. A future where the most productive non-extractive ( since those things are as finite as we ourselves ) industry is people writing endless apps is quite bleak.


    Nor is there any reason why the Big Tech firms swallow half the wealth of the world...

  2. Kevin McMurtrie Silver badge

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    1. Smirnov

      Re: And now a word from our sponsor

      The simple fact is work visas like H-1B are a necessity because American companies would otherwise be unable to find enough high-skilled workers to fill their roles, in which case the only other alternative would be to shift the work to a country where the skills exist. And this is exacerbated by the US being so large, because many Americans, even if sufficiently qualified, are often simply unwilling to relocate to a different State.

      However, H-1B in its current form is prone to abuse and not fit for purpose. Why else is it that in the last years more than 75%(!) of all H-1B visas go to people born in the world's largest 3rd world country which has an education system that ranks somewhere at the bottom of the global scale (India). A country which has perfected a system of "degree factories" where its people can get worthless paper degrees so they can paper-match qualifications for H-1B jobs in the US.

      H-1B visas are supposed to be for high-skilled workers to fill jobs for which a suitably qualified American worker can not be found. And while many Indians are clever people, India's education system and the level of education of its general population (of which many are even unable to read) hardly justify getting three times as many visas than the other 194 countries on Earth.

      The simple fact is that India gets >75% of H-1B visas is because the big outsourcers like Tata (an Indian company) snatch up large amounts of H-1B visas every year so they can bring under-qualified and lowly-paid Indian workers to the US to undercut American workers. Which is against H-1B rules (also workers need to be paid at least the same as Americans) but they game the system and abuse the immigrant worker. And it helps that enforcement of the rules is pretty much non-existent. And Congress has been well aware of what's going on but decided to turn a blind eye because the same outsourcers contribute graciously to political campaigns.

      And because Tata & Co snap up so many visas for their cheap labor, many US businesses with legitimate need for an H-1B worker (because they really need someone qualified for a role they can't find a suitably qualified American for) often find that the annual H-1B contingency has been depleted.

      There needs to be a serious crackdown on companies which abuse H-1B, but also H-1B itself must be reformed so that it's made harder for outsourcers to skim large amounts of visas, and there must be measures in place to prevent one country hogging up three-quarters of all H-1B visas for years in a row.

      1. Anonymous Coward

        Re: And now a word from our sponsor

        > The simple fact is work visas like H-1B are a necessity because American companies would otherwise be unable to find enough high-skilled workers to fill their roles


        Corrected version: American companies would otherwise be unable to find enough high-skilled workers willing to work for 25% of market prevailing wages and under constant threat of deportation to country of origin[ ... ]

        1. Anonymous Coward
          Anonymous Coward

          Re: And now a word from our sponsor

          The sad thing is that companies still haven’t figured out that you get what you pay for.

          The crap cheap labor stays cheap, and the good cheap labor quickly becomes not-so-cheap anymore. So it’s a vicious cycle where they keep bringing in more and more cheap crap labor because they don’t want to pay the good ones what they’re worth. Eventually quality takes a nosedive and the whole company suffers because of it.

          But not before the execs who saved so much $$$ take their golden parachute and bail, of course.

      2. ecofeco Silver badge

        Re: And now a word from our sponsor

        What flavor is that kool aid you're drinking?

  3. Anonymous Coward
    Anonymous Coward

    "leaving some families unable to pay their bills"

    Aren''t all those H-1B visas highly requested for high-skilled high-paid jobs, for which you can't really find enough people locally with those outstanding skills, and have to source them from abroad?

    "considering the contributions such individuals make to entrepreneurship and research and development"?

    Now if theirs spouse doesn't work maybe in another low-paid job can't even pay their bills? Maybe Google & C. should pay better instead their H-1B visas workers? So, really, why do you need people unable to pay their bills? Maybe the devil's in the detail and the truth slipped through your brief?

    1. Roland6 Silver badge

      Re: "leaving some families unable to pay their bills"

      >Maybe Google & C. should pay better instead their H-1B visas workers?

      Well maybe Google & C. should be paying their H-1B visa workers - notionally working in high-skilled high-paid jobs the rate for the job...

      Which effectively means Google & Co. are lobbying to defend their paying of subsistence wages to H-1B visa holders and thus undercut the US resident job market. Additionally, they are using the 'family/dependents' attribute as a means to ensure that each H-1B visa is in fact worth 2 or more visas ie. apply for one visa and get a whole 'family' of workers...

  4. Anonymous Coward
    Anonymous Coward

    Having worked at Google

    I'm having a hard time with the idea that a family cannot live on one salary for their engineers. No one needs to fly overseas for their annual two week vacation--even if it is to the motherland.

    Yeah, I had almost 20 years in the industry, but I was an SRE-III. $210k, baby. In 2015. And just how much did my stock go up in the year I had to wait for the cliff?

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