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Tesla has been ordered to correct its unlawful labor practices, and its supremo Elon Musk must delete a related tweet from three years ago. In a ruling issued on Thursday, the US National Labor Relations Board (NLRB) concluded that Tesla violated federal labor law in its efforts to discourage workers from unionizing. It …

  1. Yet Another Anonymous coward Silver badge

    Brotherhood of Evil villain henchmen Local 102

    We demand:

    Casual jumpsuit fridays

    Safety rails around shark tank

    Sick days in the event of a James Bond attack

    1. Boothy Silver badge
      Happy

      Re: Brotherhood of Evil villain henchmen Local 102

      You waiting for Evil Genius 2 to come out tomorrow by any chance?

    2. macjules

      Re: Brotherhood of Evil villain henchmen Local 102

      Left out "treatment in the event of liquid hot magma burns".

    3. zuckzuckgo Bronze badge

      Re: Brotherhood of Evil villain henchmen Local 102

      The real tragedy is the the shark tender's health coverage does not cover laser eye injuries or magma burns.

  2. Anonymous Coward
    Anonymous Coward

    Well he created the need for a workers union.

    He did for ceworkers without providing for any protections for COVID-19 and insisting it was just another day at work, whilst becoming even richer.

    His tweets itself show he will threaten.

    He is a terrible egomanic - from the crypto stuff to get back at the SEC, the paedo stuff because someone else got the limelight.

    The guy seems disturbed and constantly throwing up tantrums. I wonder what he will do to retaliate with the NLRB.

    Tesla cars apparently have the lowest reliability and worst build quality of all vehicles in its class and/or price bracket. So he isn't even doing a very good job, other than priming the twitterverse for his stocks on Robinhood.

    1. secret goldfish

      There's also the "We will coup whoever we want. Deal with it" tweet relating to his attempted lobbying to 'win' those Bolivian resources!

      He's an ar$e with a big dangerous ego!

    2. RPF

      Exactly. "Every company gets the union it deserves" they say and here's one that fits.

    3. Blank Reg Silver badge

      It's not really surprising that Tesla cars are crap. The big auto makers have had over a century to figure out how to make cars, and most have only started to do a good job of it in the last 30 to 40 years. some still haven't got it figured out.

      The Tesla bubble is going to crash hard once the big guys steamroll past them with their ability to easily churn out a years worth of Tesla sales in a week.

      1. Eclectic Man Silver badge

        Charging infrastructure

        I believe that Tesla has by far the best charging infrastructure for electric cars, which is one reason they sell so well. Sadly my next car will probably be a petrol engined one. I need to be able to travel the 190 mile round trip to my parents and back without re-charging at a reasonable speed on the motorway, and no affordable electric cars can yet manage that.

        Making cars super reliable etc. might not be as important as some people think. A few years after the Model T Ford was built, Henry Ford sent engineers all over the USA to check all the abandoned vehicles and find out what was wrong with them.

        They came back with a load of faults, noting lots of things that had broken. The one major thing that was still serviceable in every car was the crankshaft. Good Old Henry instructed his team to make the crankshafts of thinner metal, as they were too reliable and therefore a waste.

        Of course, some Ford cars were reliable. Bonnie and Clyde (the robbers) sent Ford a letter praising the V8 as their getaway car:

        https://www.google.com/search?safe=strict&rls=en&source=univ&tbm=isch&q=Bonnie+and+Clyde+letter+to+Ford&client=safari&sa=X&ved=2ahUKEwiU65KTxNDvAhWRtHEKHeFLDFoQjJkEegQIBhAB&biw=1807&bih=987&dpr=2

        I wonder whether Elon has a similar letter?

        1. Anonymous Coward
          Anonymous Coward

          Re: Charging infrastructure

          I guess that your parents don't have electricity then?

          Or

          That you never stop for petrol on your trips to/from them?

          Perhaps you need to organise your life a little better? Leave a little earlier, take a break on the trip, answer the call of nature and charge your car up just enough to get home.

          You seem to be one of those who are afraid of change. Afraid to try new things...

          My Mother lives 160 miles away from me. I get there in my EV, and most times, I take her shopping. a 50kWh charger in the Lidl car park gives me more than enough charge to get home while we shop and have lunch together in the cafe next door. It gets her out of the house for a few hours. Sadly not done that for 6 months but I'm hoping to do that trip very soon.

          1. Jellied Eel Silver badge

            Re: Charging infrastructure

            I guess that your parents don't have electricity then?

            Perhaps they live in Texas?

            My Mother lives 160 miles away from me. I get there in my EV, and most times, I take her shopping. a 50kWh charger in the Lidl car park gives me more than enough charge to get home

            That's nice, although 2hrs in a supermarket isn't my idea of fun. But what happens when EV's are more popular, and you can't get a slot at a fast charger?

            1. BGatez

              Re: Charging infrastructure

              When they get more popular they'll be more chargers - DOH!

              1. Grunchy Bronze badge

                Re: Charging infrastructure

                People are afraid of change precisely to the extent that they cannot foresee what kind of BS problems they are going to have to deal with.

                I personally don't like those gimmicky retracting door handles, you know what happens when that nonsense wears out and becomes glitchy and you have to crawl in through the trunk?

                I'll tell you right now that your #1 problem is going to be me laughing in your fool face for buying into that crap!

                1. seven of five

                  Re: Charging infrastructure

                  >"I personally don't like those gimmicky retracting door handles, you know what happens when that nonsense wears out and becomes glitchy"

                  A bill of two thousand of switzerlands finest, that happens. Twice so far. To be fair, JLR also has retracting handles, but come at only 1/3 of the bill.

                  1. seven of five

                    Re: Charging infrastructure

                    downvote all you like, Elon, I have the bills to prove it.

              2. Cuddles Silver badge

                Re: Charging infrastructure

                We just need more chickens and then we can get more eggs.

          2. Anonymous Coward
            Anonymous Coward

            Re: Charging infrastructure

            "I guess that your parents don't have electricity then?"

            Not everyone has off-street parking, etc. ;(

            1. Jimmy2Cows Silver badge

              Re: Not everyone has off-street parking

              And of those that do, not everyone has the electrical connections necessary (or even an available slot in their consumer unit) to support a 50kWh+ vehicle charging point.

              And what about homes with more than one car? Or is that not allowed in our rosey new future?

              The best most homes can do right now is a 13A trickle charger, if your car supports it, which is fine for overnight charging but pitifully useless if you need to be going anywhere in the next 12+ hours.

              Don't even get me started on the lack of grid infrastructure to supply the necessary power to charge huge numbers of EVs. And no, "smart grid" is not a solution. It's a lazy workaround tossed about by utilities to avoid making the necessary power generation and infrastructure upgrades.

              1. Jellied Eel Silver badge

                Re: Not everyone has off-street parking

                And of those that do, not everyone has the electrical connections necessary (or even an available slot in their consumer unit) to support a 50kWh+ vehicle charging point.

                50kW, not kWh...

                The best most homes can do right now is a 13A trickle charger, if your car supports it, which is fine for overnight charging but pitifully useless if you need to be going anywhere in the next 12+ hours.

                Which gives you roughly 3kW, so with an EV with a 100kWh battery, 33 hours or so for a full charge. So a 300 mile round trip at the weekend might mean fun trying to find a fast charger, if you need the car to get to work on Monday. But looking on the bright side, those that can work from home won't need to spend as much time or money recharging their EVs.

                And no, "smart grid" is not a solution. It's a lazy workaround tossed about by utilities to avoid making the necessary power generation and infrastructure upgrades.

                Blame Ed Milliband and his Climate Change Act for that one, then subsequent governments creating energy 'policies' to promote windmills, which are unreliable & intermittent. Which then necessitates trying to spend huge amounts of money to try and create a 'smart' grid to solve the problems created by 'renewables'. And of course those same policies penalise more reliable, efficient generation that wouldn't require billions for infrastructure upgrades.

                Which is kind of what the Texas fiasco demonstrated. People that depend on electricity suddenly had to do without in the energy capital of the US. EVs and decarbonisation 'policies' just make repeats of that outage inevitable.

          3. Eclectic Man Silver badge

            Re: Charging infrastructure

            "I guess that your parents don't have electricity then?"

            They do, what they do not have is a car charging place nearby. And I do, sometimes have to stop for the hugely expensive petrol at service stations on the way to or from them. It takes about 10 minutes in total to refill the car, pay and get back onto the motorway.

            "Perhaps you need to organise your life a little better?"

            Ah, well, yes, I've been trying to organise my life better for the past 50 years, I've read books, had some CBT, taken anti-depressants and several other things I'm not prepared to admit to on this website (none of them involved illegal activity though). These have not changed the fact that although I do love my parents they drive me nuts, so I need the option of a quick getaway if they are stressing me out.

            "You seem to be one of those who are afraid of change. Afraid to try new things..."

            I read this web site about new and exciting developments in IT and science and post on it far more than I probably should. and take New Scientist on subscription. I research pure mathematics (diophantine number theory and cryptography despite my PhD being in mathematical logic). The last book I read was Bernard Williams' "Ethics and the Limits of Philosophy" (ISBN 978-0-415-61014-8)*. When it is open I will be one of the first at the climbing wall (I have an annual pass), unless I can book a haircut first. The last CDs I bought were The Samples (Could it be another change), The Ramones (Blitzkreig Bop) and Mozart's clarinet concerto (Martin Frost - truly superb). I have only managed to kill one of my houseplants (out of five) so far in the last 12 months. My favourite Arctic Monkeys song is the 'B' side to 'I bet you look good on the dancefloor' ('Bigger boys and stolen sweethearts"). When I need something to work, I do like to assess whether it will. Current EVs that I can afford do not work well enough to satisfy my needs. Yeah, I'm truly terrified of change, new things like DAB radio (I got one ages ago) {\sarcasm alert}.

            I'm sorry that you have been unable to visit you mother recently and hope your next visit goes well (and that everyone can get out of lockdown safely asap).

            All the best!

            *Main conclusion - he could have done with a much better editor.

        2. Michael Wojcik Silver badge

          Re: Charging infrastructure

          Yes, range is a problem with pure-electric1 vehicles for me too.

          I couldn't consider an EV unless we had an adequate network of battery-swapping stations. I'm not sticking a bunch of two-hour recharging stops into one of my 800-mile trips. If "refueling" can't be done in, say, 15 minutes, then it's not feasible for my use case.

          1And the hybrids we have now are just dumb. I'm not buying a car with a dual powertrain. Just an electric powertrain with internal-combustion electrical generation, like a diesel-electric train engine, and I'll consider it. You'd get some nice savings from not needing a transmission, and the generator would have a much narrower load range so it could stay in the efficient zone.

          1. Anonymous Coward
            Anonymous Coward

            Re: Charging infrastructure

            Yes, range is a problem with pure-electric1 vehicles for me too.

            I would love an all electric vehicle, but I live in an area that gets to -29C and stays there for days. the diminished range in cold weather plus the rural area I live and work in would preclude that. Looking at hybrid until the battery range in extreme cold is over 400 miles, or until I move to an urban setting without the need to travel for my livelihood.

            1. Eclectic Man Silver badge

              Re: Charging infrastructure

              If it gets down to -29C you need to consider the effect on the range of heating as well as just locomotion. A few years ago I was stuck in a winter traffic jam for over 6 hours (trucks could not quite get up the steepest part of the A327 into Reading). It was so cold I was starting the engine just to keep warm. But it was nothing like -29C.

              In the same event a work colleague had to collect his teenage daughter from school and took so long to get home that her iPod ran out of power and they actually had no option but to talk to each other!

              1. Anonymous Coward
                Anonymous Coward

                Re: Charging infrastructure

                Back in the 70's when I spent some time in Ottawa I could not start my car on cold mornings without plugging it in. The parking lot at work had plugs at each spot for block heaters. Advances in cold starting has eliminated the need for all those plugs in parking lots, but it shows that when the need exists it can done.

      2. Sanctimonious Prick
        Mushroom

        Words To Eat

        @Blank Reg

        I look forward to you eating your words.

        And I'm the one doing all the downvoting!

        1. Blank Reg Silver badge

          Re: Words To Eat

          The odds are not in Tesla's favour. They are up against ALL the other manufacturers, most of which can easily out produce and out spend them by orders of magnitude. I don't know who the top car maker will be in 5 years, but it's probably not Tesla

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  3. BOFH-in-training

    LMAO papa elon shellshocked, him and the operations/warehouse managers for Amazon must be in a war room furiously channeling early Walmart anti-union video efforts

    1. Jellied Eel Silver badge

      They're sorry, and Jeff & Elon will offer an even more comprehensive range of employee benefits. Free plastic bottles and sandwich bags!

  4. Claverhouse Silver badge
    Mushroom

    I Dreamed I Saw El Musk Last Night. Alive As You Or Me

    Why do any employees need Unions [ which were indeed necessary centuries ago --- pious rolling of eyes --- but now all the demands of those 19th century workers have been fully met, and we have those government regulations to ensure good practice ( because bosses sheerly love government regulations ) ] when they can rely on the benevolence of the masters to see them right ?

    1. Zimmer
      Pint

      Re: I Dreamed I Saw El Musk Last Night. Alive As You Or Me

      Have an upvote (and a beer for the Dylan reference - had the album in sheet music once, must have lent it to someone as it's not about now).

    2. Chris G Silver badge

      Re: I Dreamed I Saw El Musk Last Night. Alive As You Or Me

      I think the need for unions is becoming stronger by the day, not so much for disruptive actions such as strikes and walkouts but more more having the collective strength to fight against the lawyers of more and more companies that seem determined to make Scrooge look like an amateur.

      With many businesses, you could easily merge HR with normal Resource Management as the humanity becomes less significant.

      1. TRT Silver badge

        Re: I Dreamed I Saw El Musk Last Night. Alive As You Or Me

        As a representative of the International Amalgamated Movement of NOTaries, Advocates and LAWYERs, I object to the slur perpetrated just against my brothers and sisters who stand strong in solidarity and opposing those who would slander the characters of those engaged in the legal profession. Or indeed those who cannot afford the fee.

  5. chololennon
    Thumb Down

    Who is the most disgusting?

    Who is the most disgusting super-rich "tech villain"? The reconverted Gates, the tanned Larry or this awful awful "newcomer"?

    1. Snake Silver badge

      Re: Who is the most disgusting?

      Almost all of them are. A poke in the side of a reminder for those who believe:

      "It is easier for a camel to go through the eye of a needle than for a rich person to enter the kingdom of God.”

      If you think a rich person ever thinks about anything but themselves, or any benefits beyond what it does for themselves, then you are world-class naive.

      1. Blank Reg Silver badge

        Re: Who is the most disgusting?

        Well at least Gates is trying to do some good after years of being an asshole, The reasons aren't really important.

        1. Yet Another Anonymous coward Silver badge

          Re: Who is the most disgusting?

          Indian govt, we are switching all govt services to open source

          Gates Foundation. Here is a vaccination program and the opportunity for Mr politician to be photographed cutting the ribbon.

          Indian govt. We are rolling out Windows10 in all govt depts

          1. veti Silver badge

            Re: Who is the most disgusting?

            You seem to be assuming that the Indian government could have followed through with that threat...

            It's not as easy as it sounds. Munich tried, and they had to switch back after a couple of years (at insane cost). And India is about a thousand times bigger than Munich.

        2. Sanctimonious Prick
          Alert

          Re: Who is the most disgusting?

          Yeah. Gates. He uses some sort of organic fuel in his private jet. hahahahaFUCKOFFhahahaha!

          1. Eclectic Man Silver badge
            Unhappy

            Re: Who is the most disgusting?

            Actually the contrails are worse than the pollution:

            "The streaky smears of cloud that criss-cross the sky in the wake of aeroplanes may look too wispy to cause any harm. But we now know that these condensation trails, or contrails, make an outsized contribution to global warming by trapping heat like a downy jacket."

            https://www.newscientist.com/article/mg24933260-800-aircraft-contrails-are-a-climate-menace-can-we-rid-the-sky-of-them/#ixzz6qXJEoXw4

            And frankly Ive never really understood how planting a few tress, necessarily at ground level, can compensate for burning kerosene at 36000' in anything less than decades, but hey, what do I know? I'm not Nigel Farage (https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2021/mar/28/nigel-farage-appointed-to-advisory-board-of-green-finance-firm ).

      2. Yet Another Anonymous coward Silver badge

        Re: Who is the most disgusting?

        >"It is easier for a camel to go through the eye of a needle than for a rich person to enter the kingdom of God.”

        It's very easy for a camel to pass through the eye of a needle, same way as a billionaire can.

        Just Google "Byford Dolphin" (other search engines are available)

    2. grizewald

      Re: Who is the most disgusting?

      Larry, without a second's hesitation.

    3. Fruit and Nutcase Silver badge
      Facepalm

      Re: Who is the most disgusting?

      "The latest must-have among US billionaires?

      A plan to end the climate crisis"

      https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2021/mar/25/elon-musk-climate-plan-reward-jeff-bezos-gates-investments

      Musk has pledged $100m in loose change as prize money for carbon capture technology.

      Bezos to give $10 billion for worthy climate initiatives

      Gates has written a book

      I suspect Larry would still go for a super-yacht

      1. Tom 7 Silver badge

        Re: Who is the most disgusting?

        Those are not donations. They are advertising. It may seem a lot of money to you but it will be tax deductible and its single figure or lower percentages of their worth.

        1. jmch Silver badge

          Re: Who is the most disgusting?

          So if they donate publicly its advertising, if they do it secretly they're stingy bastards?

          1. Yet Another Anonymous coward Silver badge

            Re: Who is the most disgusting?

            Which corporation was it that spent more on billboards announcing its Covid relief donations than it actually donated?

            1. veti Silver badge

              Re: Who is the most disgusting?

              I don't know, which one was it? Perhaps if you cited a source you'd know the answer to that, and we could assess it ourselves instead of taking your snide insinuation as authoritative.

        2. Anonymous Coward
          Anonymous Coward

          Re: Who is the most disgusting?

          You hit the nail right on the head.

          TAX DEDUCTIBLE

          That is the name of the game for the super-rich in the USA. They are evading over $1T in taxes each and every year. The IRS has been stripped of the funds needed to go after the likes of Bezos, Ellison etc. Instead, they audit the middle class and wallop them with huge fines for even being $1.00 out in their returns.

          Musk's $100M for carbon capture is never going to be claimed. It is a load of hot air. (Carbon capture that is)

          1. Jellied Eel Silver badge

            Re: Who is the most disgusting?

            Musk's $100M for carbon capture is never going to be claimed. It is a load of hot air. (Carbon capture that is)

            Musk operates under a reality inversion, which is why he's promoting CCS and at the same time, fraccing for oil & gas at his Boca Chica ranch.

          2. jmch Silver badge

            Re: Who is the most disgusting?

            Tax deductability for charitable donations is a slippery one

            If I make 1 million, am liable to pay 250k taxes and I give 100k to charity, then I still hace 750k for myself. The only difference is instead of 250k to teh government, 150k goes to teh government and 100k to the charity. Many rich people get around this by setting up a charity for whatever they want and donating to it, essentially being able to have a tax-free pet charitable project. The way you see it depends completely on political orientation.

            On the more socialist side - Charities are effectively picking up the slack of where government programs can't reach, it's effectively a privatisation of social security. If people were paying taxes instead of donating to charities, the government could afford to expand social security. Resources would be directed where most needed, not towards the most shiny vanity projects.

            On the more capitalist side - private charities can be more effective and flexible to meet changing demand, and are more efficient that government needs.

            Personally I think that government social security and healthcare needs to be well enough funded that everyone's basic needs are met. Private charities are important supplements to this, and can work together with government departments, but they shouldn't be billionaires playthings (in other words, I wouldn't leave social security policy to be defined by philanthropists).

            Have a tax deduction for charitable donations, sure, but cap it at something like 20k or 50k. If someone is genuinely interested in charitable giving they will give it anyway. If they are wankers just looking for likes, I'd rather they don't donate it and get taxed on it.

    4. Claverhouse Silver badge

      Re: Who is the most disgusting?

      Gates without a doubt.

      The number of 'rivals' he put out of business in different ways --- including buying them up and then not producing the wares; his rent-seeking on every sold PC regardless of whether it had his OS, which was a copy of the Standard Oil 'rebate' model; and his hatred of Open Source ( even for vaccines... ) make him a villain for the ages. And no amount of 'doing good' on his terms bypassing all other governance with vast stolen millions can ever amend.

      Plus IE4.

      .

      You should also have included Bloomberg and Bezos. Both vile.

      1. Red Ted

        Re: Who is the most disgusting?

        The important difference here is who the relationship is between. You are talking about that of MS and other companies. This judgment was about the relationship between Tesla and its employees.

    5. BGatez

      Re: Who is the most disgusting?

      the slave factory abettors of apple?

  6. vtcodger Silver badge

    Punishment

    "The decision also directs self-styled "Technoking" Musk to delete a May 20, 2018, tweet because it implies workers must give up their stock options if they unionize."

    They want Elon to delete that wrongheaded (and illegal) posting? Why? It' seems far more appropriate to have the tweet tattooed on Musk's forehead and forbid him from having it removed for some reasonable time interval -- five years perhaps.

    1. MachDiamond Silver badge

      Re: Punishment

      "It' seems far more appropriate to have the tweet tattooed on Musk's forehead"

      better if the tattoo read "Poor impulse control, incapable of telling the truth". That would remind people about his previous statements if they start believing his "talks".

      1. Fruit and Nutcase Silver badge
        Coat

        Re: Punishment

        "Poor impulse control, incapable of telling the truth"

        Sounds like some other (alleged) "billionaire"

        Musk could adopt a redundant slogan...

        MAGA - Make Automotives Great Again

      2. John Jennings

        Re: Punishment

        Nice Neal Stephenson quote - Raven, I think?

  7. Anonymous Coward
    Anonymous Coward

    > Finally, the NLRB is requiring Tesla to post a notice at its Fremont, Calif., facility explaining that workers have the right to organize under the law

    ...in a disused lavatory with a sign on the door saying 'Beware of the Leopard.

  8. Anonymous Coward
    Anonymous Coward

    Technoking

    I knock his tech all the time

    1. Joe W Silver badge

      Re: Technoking

      No King of Tech?

      1. Fruit and Nutcase Silver badge
        Joke

        Re: Technoking

        Emperor's new clothes

        NoKitOff

  9. Anonymous Coward
    Anonymous Coward

    Musk & Bezos are much the same

    Together, they control 40% of the wealth of the USA according to Senator Bernie Sanders

    Both have a hatred of Workers rights. Neither is afraid of spending loads of money trying to keep their business Union free.

    The Tesla believers will be gnashing their teeth at this. In their eyes, Musk is the new messiah and can clearly walk on water, turn water into wine etc etc.

    I did own a Tesla Model 3 for a few months. Build quality was crap, pure crap. Very reminiscent to BL cars of the mid 1970's. Sold it and now drive an E-Tron.

    1. Fruit and Nutcase Silver badge
      Joke

      Re: Musk & Bezos are much the same

      Build quality was crap, pure crap. Very reminiscent to BL cars of the mid 1970's.

      Something like this?

      https://youtu.be/78b67l_yxUc?t=40

      (To be fair, the registration implies the vehicle is from 1966)

      Does John Cleese have a Tesla? May be we'll get an updated video

    2. CrackedNoggin

      Re: Musk & Bezos are much the same

      The majority of all billionare wealth and a huge portion of all US wealth is due to the ever and over expanding stock market, which is exactly due to US policy injecting several trillions in liquidity in the stock market in the past 5 years.

    3. Sanctimonious Prick
      Devil

      Re: Musk & Bezos are much the same

      @AC

      Munro & Associates.

    4. John Jennings

      Re: Musk & Bezos are much the same

      Dont knock BL!

      I had a coupe of Trimphs from the 60's a few years back.

      They rusted like hell (I used to keep old Volvo bonnets/hoods as cheap spares for welding new bits in from time to time - galvanised! - though I didnt know about Zinc poisoning....) All cars of the time did the same.

      The machines were completely bullet proof mechanically, though. The basic engineering came from the 1940's-1950's and were simple to maintain, and I could actually get into mine (so could most other ppl if they knew how to bypass the locks!)

      1. Michael Wojcik Silver badge

        Re: Musk & Bezos are much the same

        They did have some great names. "Triumph Dolomite Sprint" is a fine name for a model, right up there with "Humber Super Snipe" and "Jensen Interceptor". Or, say, "Mitsubishi Delica Spacegear", one of which someone near here has for sale – to my great frustration, since there's no way I can justify buying it. (There have been some decent American car names too, but the British and Japanese seem to be the best at it.)

        And what does Tesla give us? "Model S". Wow, Elon, that's some daring nomenclature.

  10. Anonymous Coward
    Anonymous Coward

    When a state dares to challenge Musk, he can just threaten to take his business to another state. When a federal agency challenges Musk, he can just take his business to China, where he has ~5 years before every production idea of value is lifted, the supply chain is fully scoped, and the top employees move to the Chinese competitor. Time for Musk to take Xi up on that offer of citizenship.

    1. Jellied Eel Silver badge

      When a federal agency challenges Musk, he can just take his business to China, where he has ~5 years before every production idea of value is lifted, the supply chain is fully scoped, and the top employees move to the Chinese competitor.

      Of which there are already several. Including this one-

      https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_zaMGF_Ydmc

      The Xpeng P7, which to my mind looks better than the Tesla. Not sure if this video means Xpeng's going to launch it in the US market, but already seems to have been selling well in China.

  11. steelpillow Silver badge
    Trollface

    Musks are from Mars, workers are from Venus

    Mars - if that's where he wants to go, the sooner the better.

  12. Winkypop Silver badge
    Paris Hilton

    The techno king has no clothes

    Invest at your own peril.

  13. Sanctimonious Prick
    Pint

    Just Keep Burning Oil

    Complain all you like about Elon Musk, but without him, there would not be an EV revolution going on right now!

    Anyone who believes differently, is fooling themselves.

    Ford and GM have gone to extreme lengths to put a stop to EVs.

    Car dealerships are trying really hard to stop Tesla selling directly to customers - by law!

    1. veti Silver badge

      Re: Just Keep Burning Oil

      Rubbish. EVs are growing because the technology is finally ready. Musk has made some contributions to that tech, but nothing that wouldn't have appeared anyway within a few years.

      Crediting Musk with creating some kind of revolution is like crediting Napoleon with masterminding the French Revolution. It's pure revisionism driven by a personality cult, no more.

    2. Potemkine! Silver badge

      Re: Just Keep Burning Oil

      EV with batteries is a dead end. Too many downsides. Bad range, a heavy dead weight, too long to charge, hard to recycle, pollutant when produced, and with few or no interest for climate if electricity is produced from coal or gas.

      In ten years they will be replaced by hydrogen-powered cars.

    3. John Jennings

      Re: Just Keep Burning Oil

      Ford and GM are only the 4th and 5th largest car producers now. Their world influence is less than you think.

      Toyota, VW are and Hyundai together produce almost twice ford and GM. China is growing fast too.

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