Take back control of something you always had control of... and here's a massive bill for it.
Delayed UK digital border system was only stable enough to be used by 4% of intended users, MPs say
Stability problems with the UK Border Crossing system meant only 300 staff were able to use the delayed software in December last year, well short of the 7,000 expected to use it by June 2021, according to a report by MPs. Difficulties developing the software vital to monitoring who comes in and out of the UK is just one of …
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Tuesday 16th March 2021 13:55 GMT sad_loser
the bill is for incompetence, not brexit
Mis-specification and poor project management are usually skulking not too far below the surface.
The root cause for this is the government insistence that IT jobs are clerical and therefore on a low payscale, rather than a professional level like accounting / legal / medical.
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Monday 15th March 2021 14:42 GMT nematoad
Just SOP.
Why should the Home Office or any other department of government worry about wasting money? Its not theirs, its ours. No-one ever gets fired or otherwise disciplined for such cock-ups. There is no accountability or action taken apart from the sort of ineffectual wrist slap we see here. So why should anyone bother to do anything about it?
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Tuesday 16th March 2021 06:28 GMT Potemkine!
Re: Just SOP.
Your money is going into the hands of private contractors, so in a way it goes back into the economy ...
The sad thing is they don't provide something valuable in return but still get public contracts (For instance, about the aforementionned Raytheon: Raytheon enters into £250 million contract with UK Ministry of Defence). Is that incompetence, is that corruption? Don't expect any inquriy about it.
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Tuesday 16th March 2021 13:53 GMT Eclectic Man
Re: Just SOP.
Sadly the money really belongs to those on whom the money would have been spent, rather than the taxpayers, it should have belonged to 'baby Peter'*, Victoria Climbie*, the Social care 'system', the probation services, child protection and children homes etc. etc. etc., and everyone who needed support from the state.
*Both killed in childhood despite repeated warnings to Social Services of the dangers they were in
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Monday 15th March 2021 16:46 GMT Chris G
Re: that's going to cost taxpayer £173m
I think it goes back much further than 2011, the political flavour of UK leadership has been bland a d ineffective for decades.
Re, government IT projects, I can imagine a day may come in the future when British forces will be threatened by an enemy approaching the borders and all they will be a le to do is throw stones and shout 'Bang' because some hyper expensive failed IT procurement won't allow them to draw ammunition.
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Monday 15th March 2021 17:03 GMT Frederic Bloggs
Re: 7,000 expected to use it by June 2021
Well yes. If you mean that replacement for customs control is causing sooo much trouble for both exporting and importing (especially, but not limited to, the EU), that more and more enterprises are not bothering to do either if they can avoid it. They are pivoting to UK markets for (now) cheaper parts and lower cost of sales.
Which, if successful, will be claimed as a "Brexit Bonus", but I am sure is actually completely unintentional because none of the new IT, that is required works, and the old system is capacity limited.
It occurs to me that, if the "government" had actually started upgrading all the necessary IT (that any Fule Would Kno would be needed) and been seen to be doing it
successfully, they might have got a better deal.
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Wednesday 17th March 2021 18:21 GMT Eclectic Man
Re: The department has struggled to retain people with the technical skills
What do they mean 'retain'? After Mrs Thatcher ensured that as much IT and IT services were outsourced to UK and often foreign companies (EDS, Lockheed, IBM etc.) there was a distinct lack of technologically excellent civil servants who actually had to know how to compile a Unix kernel and get it working. 'Retain' implies they had employees with that competence initially and somehow lost it.
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Monday 15th March 2021 22:56 GMT Anonymous Coward
I've been wondering for a while if/how this project is going although it's of little surprise to me that it's still not got off the ground after a number of years.
In the piece that I was working on, many of the problems were due the client not knowing what they actually wanted. They'd dictated using certain technologies and designs which in some cases weren't suitable for the intended task and there was practically a ban on innovation due to continuous overruling of anything that made the potential new solution any way different from the old one. In effect they were dooming themselves to repeat all of the problems and failures of the previous systems.
Plus, some people involved who'd been working on it a long time; had dreamed up all kinds of weird assumptions like believing that someone's home address is encoded on a passport (hint: it isn't) and initially designing a massive 'big data' solution around the assumption that there's some magic single piece of data on every travel document which could act like a primary key.
I often wonder whether any of my own contributions have survived in the current incarnation and what it even looks like now.
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Tuesday 16th March 2021 13:19 GMT heyrick
"like believing that someone's home address is encoded on a passport"
Did nobody involved have a passport to look at?
I get problems here in France because the place where the passport was issued says "IPS". That's not a country, town, or other recognisable location. So if they can't manage something like "IPS, Swansea" (or wherever), what hope an actual address...that might change several times in the life of a passport?
"there's some magic single piece of data on every travel document which could act like a primary key"
Your name. Expect Priti to announce tomorrow that as of next Monday everybody must have a globally unique name. It would be utterly unacceptable to have sixty John Smiths in Manchester alone...
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Tuesday 16th March 2021 13:53 GMT Cynic_999
You can exchange your passport for one in a different name simply by making a unilateral declaration (deed poll) that you have changed your name (and paying the necessary fee). Date of birth might be a better item of data to use, as that cannot be legally changed - although it will be shared by around 2000 other people in the UK so not exactly a unique identifier. The most common name in the UK (David Smith) is shared by over 6000 people (though that may well decrease a lot if a middle name is added).
Maybe a person's NI number should be used as the primary identifier. Babies could have it tattooed on the sole of their feet in UV ink at birth, in either numeric or barcode format. Together with the words, "Property of HM government UK"
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Tuesday 16th March 2021 15:10 GMT Yet Another Anonymous coward
>Date of birth might be a better item of data to use.... will be shared by around 2000 other people in the UK
Due to limitations of the new government IT system we can only support 999 people having the same date of birth. As an interim solution the government is adding 400 extra days to each year.
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Wednesday 17th March 2021 11:27 GMT codejunky
Re: Shock
@Claverhouse
"replaced them with non-European immigrants to do the jobs the former used to do."
Well it reduces the special treatment for coming from the promised land. While some of my friends could come easily will little hassle because they are from the EU various other friends either cant come here or jump through plenty hoops because they come from the rest of the world.
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Tuesday 16th March 2021 12:34 GMT NerryTutkins
hostile environment
I am British but haven't been back to the UK since 2016. My wife is from Brazil, I have two kids and live in Portugal. Every time we came into the UK, they would stop my wife and try to refuse her entry, send her back to Portugal. Legally they couldn't, because I was an EU resident and eventually the argument would get escalated to the one person at the Border Service who actually knew the rules and would reluctantly tell the officers they had to stamp her in. Then the next time, exactly the same thing, like they seemed to be unable to put any note on her immigration record to avoid it in future.
The last time I visited the UK was 2016, not long after the Brexit vote. Then, not only did we get the routine shakedown by the morons of the Border Service, I found that my home town felt different. Just going to the park with the kids we got disapproving glances because suddenly foreigners were supposed to be gone. My kids tend to talk Portuguese to each other, and suddenly this made people uncomfortable. After that, we had no particular desire to go again. It didn't feel like the friendly safe place I remembered growing up in. My parents moved over to the next street from us in Portugal couple of years back, and my brother already emigrated to the US, so no real reason to return. I still have the UK company, but now we're getting nastygrams from HSBC, looks like they're going to pull the plug because both of us live overseas, so it seems the UK doesn't even want our business either now. So we're probably going to move that to Ireland instead.
All in all, the UK seems to be doing a fine job of this hostile environment thing. And I am not even a foreigner! Should help keep chaos down at the borders, if people just stay at home.
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Tuesday 16th March 2021 13:24 GMT heyrick
Re: hostile environment
"It didn't feel like the friendly safe place I remembered growing up in."
This.
I have fond memories of growing up in the south in the eighties. Left in 2002. Watching the news, talking on the phone to people I know, hearing the amount of drivel that's ripped directly from the front page of the Express and treated as actual fact.... it's really not the place I remember.
I, too, have no reason or desire to ever go back. Not even for a Victoria Sponge made by people who understand cake (for all their boasting about culinary perfection, I've yet to find anything that resembles cake in northwest France - the "quatre quarts" is....dismal).
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Tuesday 16th March 2021 14:06 GMT 96percentchimp
Re: hostile environment
About a year after the Brexit vote, my partner, who's Irish, attempted to help an elderly white woman in our local tube station who was having trouble with her Oyster card. The response was a volley of ingratitude which ended in "bloody foreigners" and "go home".
I'm white, I was brought up in the Midlands and I've lived in South London, places where people of all ethnic backgrounds rub along to get through life, but in the past decade, other white English people have become a hostile foreign culture that I no longer understand or want to be a part of.
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Tuesday 16th March 2021 14:00 GMT Eclectic Man
e-Borders
I worked on an unsuccessful e-Borders bid. The client changed the requirements list regularly, insisted that "UK RESTRICTED" meant data that could not be sent overseas to our American colleagues, even though the NATO definition of "UK RESTRICTED" at the time was purely for foreigners to understand the data belonged to the UK. The requirements were mostly ok, but whenever they changed them they would re-number all of them, so the amount of re-working the documentation was enormous. They were also not that good about specifying security that could actually be delivered (I.e., was technically or physically possible).
My real concern from the article was the reference that none of the Department's major IT procurements were expected to produce a usable IT system.