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Facebook has outlined what it believes will be the future of online interaction – and it’s a device that will sit on your wrist and act as a next-generation mouse. In a blog post covering the work that the social media giant’s Reality Labs carries out, Facebook “unpacks” the “10-year vision of a contextually-aware, AI-powered …

  1. bazza Silver badge

    Pointless Tech...

    ... If it's got Facebook's name on it...

    1. Anonymous Coward
      Devil

      Re: Pointless Tech...

      I've always considered FaecesBook Augmented / Artificial Reality with or without stupid looking headsets.

  2. Detective Emil

    More agency?

    Presumably, that would be an advertising agency.

    1. Christopher Reeve's Horse

      Re: More agency?

      I came here to say pretty much exactly that. Basically any agency other than the individual's own free will. Do I want every waking moment of my life turned into a nightmarish version of a Facebook live feed, which is constantly trying to direct and influence every interaction, movement and thought I have? No, no I don't. Or for the Aussie translation; Facebook can Get F*****.

    2. Pascal Monett Silver badge

      Re: More agency?

      Indeed. I deal with enough agencies in my daily life, I definitely don't need The Zuck to shove yet more in my face.

  3. tel2016

    It's all coming true

    "use the information you choose to share, to infer what you want to do, when you want to do it"

    Reminds me of QualityLand:

    https://smile.amazon.co.uk/Qualityland-Visit-Tomorrow-Marc-Uwe-Kling/dp/140919115X/ref=sr_1_1?dchild=1&keywords=qualityland&qid=1615448994&sr=8-1

    1. jdiebdhidbsusbvwbsidnsoskebid Bronze badge

      Re: It's all coming true

      "use the information you choose to share"

      It's Facebook, so it's actually "use the information you don't want to share, but ended up sharing by mistake when the sneakily designed GUI tricked you into it, possibly after saying it wouldn't do that"

      1. AndersH

        Re: It's all coming true

        ... or using the information someone else shared about you.

  4. Chris G Silver badge

    Not Glassholes again?!!

    I hope the seamless combination of AR and the resl world includes lamp posts, pedestrians and furniture to name just a few obstacles to individual progress.

    Wrist Action ™ Feacebook's trademark?

    I wonder what the price will be? Higher the most people will think, that's for sure.

    1. Howard Sway Silver badge

      Re: I wonder what the price will be?

      Prices are expected to start at "your sanity" for the basic edition, and rise to "your soul" for the premium edition.

    2. Anonymous Coward
      Anonymous Coward

      Re: Not Glassholes again?!!

      The wrist action must be in reference to the soft porn videos Facebook pump out in their video feed.

  5. Moldskred

    "This AR interface will need to be proactive rather than reactive."

    Oh, so like Clippy.

  6. Neil Barnes Silver badge
    Facepalm

    apps on phones is not exactly a hassle-free experience

    That'll be because of all the intrusive advertising and other crap punted by Facebook and its ilk?

  7. Anonymous Coward
    Anonymous Coward

    so it won’t require everyone waving their arms around

    can't wait for the future of humans moving their eyeballs and fingers, a few mm. Imagine, what the Olympic games will look like!

  8. Chris Hills
    Alert

    Be warned about Oculus

    Oculus devices have to be linked to a Facebook account, and if your account is blocked you will lose access to your headset!

  9. DrBobK
    Headmaster

    Some science for a change...

    If you are interested in the state of the art in finger tracking from forearm and wrist surface sensors here is a review of 65 research papers from the last five years or so. This looks like a genuinely practical UI method to me.

    1. DrBobK

      Re: Some science for a change...

      Here's the link:

      https://www.mdpi.com/1424-8220/20/9/2467

      1. DrBobK

        Re: Some science for a change...

        This conference paper is ridiculously cool, and the optical sensor they use (with great success), a MAX30105 only costs about a tenner (I've just ordered one to play with for integrating into VR with Unity).

        https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S240589631932631X

  10. Whiskers

    Very handy

    So I'll finally be able to control Lexx (or a baby Lexx) ... as will everyone else? <https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lexx>

  11. not.known@this.address
    Alien

    Holographic interfaces

    The Traveller role-playing game has had various types of holographic and holo-dynamic control interfaces since the days before Star Wars got renamed "A New Hope"...

    Can Marc Miller and friends claim prior art and offer to licence it to Facebook for some eye-watering sum?

    1. Cuddles Silver badge

      Re: Holographic interfaces

      Holographic interfaces have been a popular idea for a while, as have a variety of similar schemes that involve waving various parts of your body around at transparent or event entirely invisible controls. Douglas Adams already pointed out what a terrible idea this is back in 1978. Nothing anyone has come up with since them makes any effort to actually address the problems of a control system that just interprets your body movements directly rather than waiting for an intentional activation.

  12. karlkarl Silver badge

    "Failed to access VR device, skipping advert continuing with video"

    Oh, no what a shame ;)

    We can only hope.

  13. Roger Kynaston Silver badge
    Thumb Down

    Two things come to mind

    First, others have made this observation - but Facefail. No, just no!

    Secondly, when will there be some form of accident because a car driver or pilot or whatever loses their attention while watching AR pr0n while dirving/flying/whatever?

  14. Inventor of the Marmite Laser

    So it's a smart watch then? I bet I'll still need two hands to tell the time

  15. iron Silver badge

    I'm going to ignore the Facebook problem and dive to the heart of the issue with these kinds of projects. Whether it's Google Glass, Magic Leap, an Intel prototype or whatever Apple / Facebook come out with all these projects have one major failing - they require you to wear glasses all the time.

    In the summer I wear shades but otherwise I don't wear glasses and I have no interest in wearing glasses. For people who do wear glasses will it be possible to get prescription frames? And how much more expensive will that be? What about dark lenses for me in summer?

    If an article about AR glasses includes a byline pic I can tell from the start if the journo will like them - hacks who wear glasses love the things, those who don't... don't. Similarly it always seems the project team all wear glasses so no-one realises that most people won't want to wear them.

    1. DS999 Silver badge

      They don't require you to wear them "all the time"

      Are you on your phone "all the time"? Do you watch TV "all the time"? Why would AR require that? You'll wear the glasses when you want to use and interact with AR, not all the time.

      Perhaps you might wear them while driving/walking in an unfamiliar area so it can overlay directions/landmarks on your view. Maybe while hiking they could identify trees, warn about rocks that look loose or something, who knows. While running/biking (here's where the dark glasses come in to play) it could overlay information about speed, mileage, HR, etc.

      When you are in a restaurant having dinner with friends, why would you want to be wearing AR glasses, unless you are a wannabe glasshole or their even worse cousin the "social media influencer who takes pictures of their dishes before they eat". If you are washing the car, driving to mom's house, picking up a pizza on the way home from work, watching a movie, etc. why would you want to be wearing AR glasses? Just because Google tried to push the idea of "always on" glasses doesn't mean that's what real people want.

      Now true Facebook/Google/Amazon would want to encourage you to wear their AR glasses all the time, so they can identify brands you have at home and show you ads "looks like you're almost out of Pringles, do you want to order more?" or when it spies a craft beer in your hand in a bar send you ads encouraging you to order Google IPA in your next round.

      1. LemonTree3

        Re: They don't require you to wear them "all the time"

        You both are making good points. The basic problem on glasses is going to be what it has always been, vanity. People generally don't want to wear glasses, which is why to a large extent, the contact industry has been going strong for years. If people can be conditioned to think they look better with these things on their faces, as most people do with sunglasses, then perhaps this will have some success. I expect what will be most likely to happen is that the design will be a bit of an origami, where they can fold down flat like today's phones, but then change so that they can be used as glasses when desired.

  16. Avatar of They
    Mushroom

    Zuckerberg

    Really is trying to be Sorrento CEO of IOI from Ready player one, shovelling so much into our lives in every way, milking all he can, before inducing a seizure.

  17. Celeste Reinard

    Shaky

    Then how do you watch a movie on human reproduction, I wonder.

  18. Scott Pedigo

    Create An Infinite Ad Loop

    Buy several pairs of AR glasses and wearing them in front of each other.

    When the Facebook glasses show you an ad for a beer, then the Google glasses underneath them see you are looking at a beer and offer you a different beer.

    Then your second pair of Facebook glasses underneath the Google glasses sees the beer the Google glasses were offering and shows you another beer, which the Google glasses see on the first pair of Facebook glasses...

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