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Two businesses that dispatched more than 2.6 million nuisance text messages seeking to exploit lower household incomes during Britain’s first lockdown are nursing a combined financial penalty of £330,000 from the UK’s data watchdog. The Information Commissioner’s Office (ICO) said it had received 10,000 official moans against …

  1. Steve K

    Proposal to strike off

    Valca has an "active proposal to Strike Off" according to that Company Information link - no doubt as a result of that notice. I wonder whether any of the fine will be collected...?

    1. ThatOne Silver badge

      Re: Proposal to strike off

      > I wonder whether any of the fine will be collected...?

      Don't be naive. Those companies are made to disappear as soon as the law catches up with them, and then reappear immediately under a new, innocent face.

      Fining those companies is as efficient as trying to reprimand the weather. You can't win that game of whack-a-mole, only personal fines on their owners would have any effect (assuming they are not living in some faraway country, well out of reach).

      1. Anonymous Coward
        Anonymous Coward

        Re: Proposal to strike off

        "...only personal fines on their owners would have any effect"

        In theory the ICO has the power to collect from the Director(s) in the event the company goes insolvent without paying the fine - they need to start making use of it, and possibly some additional legislation should be passed barring anybody with any outstanding fines from being a company director.

        1. Doctor Syntax Silver badge

          Re: Proposal to strike off

          I doubt extra legislation is needed. It would just require that they draw Companies House's attention to the situation.

        2. Alan Brown Silver badge

          Re: Proposal to strike off

          They also have the abliity to block a company going insolvent or being struck off

          However press releases are more important than actual enforcement

          Limited liablity only shields the SHAREHOLDERS, not the _directors_ from the consequences of illegal behaviour

        3. Anonymous Coward
          Megaphone

          Re: Proposal to strike off

          Aye, there's the run.

          Mechanisms exist on both sides of the pond to hold people, not just companies, personally liable for company actions. But nobody uses them in most cases.

          Even with companies that don't go bankrupt and that do pay the fine, they just pass the cost onto the customer. Until they start fining the Chair of the Board or the entire Board, nothing will change.

          And the fine itself was woefully small.

  2. Anonymous Coward
    Anonymous Coward

    There was no ability to opt out.

    Most SPAM I receive shows either no opt out option or if it does is a link to a very suspicious web form ("click here to let us know you read that SPAM!") or contains a "allow up to 90 days to be removed".

    1. ThatOne Silver badge

      Re: There was no ability to opt out.

      > no opt out option

      No problem, that is just as efficient as the existing opt-out option on others...

  3. oiseau
    WTF?

    Absurd pittance

    Directed at lower income households and in violation of regulations?

    Just £330.000?

    That's £0.127 per message.

    An absurd pittance joke.

    They will do it again and next time they will hide their responsibility deeper down.

    "No, it wasn't us guv'nor ... "

    The owners/directors/managers of these marketing (?) companies (from the top down) should be held directly responsible and fined in such a way that guarantees there will not be a next time.

    The scumbags didn't give a monkey's toss about the possibility of a fine, they knew them to be low and simply factored them into what they charge their clients.

    And those who received the results of these violations, usually larger companies or corporations, should also be held responsible.

    Avon may not have sent the texts but be quite sure they knew all about it.

    How could they not?

    Absolutely everyone involved knew what was going on.

    The only way these bastards will learn is through a nice big hole in the profits of all involved.

    O.

    1. Ian Johnston Silver badge

      Re: Absurd pittance

      It's not as if they are going to pay a penny of it anyway, so you might as well fine them a billion kajillion pounds.

  4. Disgusted Of Tunbridge Wells
    Paris Hilton

    If Avon didn't order the messages, who did and why?

    1. ThatOne Silver badge

      Reasonable deniability? They knew they are breaking the law, so they do it in a way you can't clearly prove it's them, so legally they can't be touched.

      Unlike their fly-by-night accomplice, they can't just disappear in thin air and then reappear under a new name, so they needed a fuse, something which would deflect the fine from themselves.

    2. Steve K

      Avon salespeople

      There is nothing stopping Avon salespeople (who are independent agents) from drumming up business however they like, or indeed a 3rd-party firm marketing to those agents as a source of leads.

      Avon's customer are the agents really, not the end consumer of their products.

      Probably all that Avon can do is to remind their agents of the law and the dangers of using unvetted leads - but they can't enforce it.

      1. Doctor Syntax Silver badge

        Re: Avon salespeople

        "Probably all that Avon can do is to remind their agents of the law and the dangers of using unvetted leads - but they can't enforce it."

        Trademarks need to be protected. By passing themselves off as Avon they were devaluing the trademark and Avon can take action for that. We often hear of trademark disputes where there isn't really any possibility of confusion when small business has a name that sounds like some megacorp that starts throwing its weight around. This really the sort of situation where it should be used.

      2. Alan Brown Silver badge

        Re: Avon salespeople

        "Probably all that Avon can do is to remind their agents of the law and the dangers of using unvetted leads - but they can't enforce it."

        Actually, they can and they have in the past, by striking off agents from the pyramid

    3. Anonymous Coward Silver badge

      One of their competitors looking to stitch them up, maybe?

    4. Doctor Syntax Silver badge

      Explained in the article - money made by passing leads onto an Avon "rep" who's really self-employed. What Avon could do would be to take them (directors personally and company) to court for defamation (it reflects badly on their reputation) and the trademark related offence of passing off.

      1. Alan Brown Silver badge

        The Avon reps concerned should be named and shamed

  5. Lord Elpuss Silver badge

    Why are you giving these scum free advertising? At least obscure the URLs FFS

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