Biden administration pauses ban on Chinese tech companies suspected of military entanglements The US Department of the Treasury has announced a revision to the ban on trading in companies suspected of having ties to China’s military. A Trump-era executive order barred US investors from conducting transactions with certain Chinese companies, leading to an on-again, off-again New York Stock Exchange ban on trading shares …
Sorry, but they would have to be VERY stupid to fall into the same trap twice. They are heading towards creating their own hard- and software, making sure that there is no element left that could be "disputed".
In other words: The US and its allies are soon out of (their) business.
What stance did he have, exactly? That he could have his Trump-branded crap manufactured there for cheap, and that his family could extract favors from the Chinese government?
https://www.forbes.com/sites/tommybeer/2020/09/22/ivankas-trademark-requests-were-fast-tracked-in-china-after-trump-was-elected/
It's amazing how Trump created such word salads that even though he never had any firm stance on anything, his admirers always say something like "I didn't like him, BUT he was so right on this topic I like".
If the Russian or Soviet intelligence services hadn't had a file on tRump for the last 40 years, they would have been delinquent in their duties. I don't think we've seen an atom of proof that he was a KGB asset, however. (That he is, for bizarre unknown reasons, a Putin groupie seems clear, but that's a different matter entirely.)
I think other countries, like ours, should also take notice. Because ultimately, it was a purely political decision, with zero evidence. As in, it could happen to any other, should the US feel threatened. And in fact, they're already trigger-happy on the tariffs against perceived EU threats, aren't they?
It wasn't that long ago the UK was using anti terrorism laws to freeze Icelandic bank assets.
Don't put anything past them.
Its what a Chinese government spokesman recently referred to as "securing the supply chain".
All Trump did was disrupt the global supply chains. They will just reconfigure around the US. If Trump or any of his cronies had half a clue about how manufacturing works they would have understood this and at least used a bit more finesse in working towards their goals (whatever they were).
Trump did that? LOL.
A decade ago, I held in my own hands a counterfeit Cisco switch that included a hardware backdoor that was traced back to China.
People who favor China's rise in the world should just be open and honest about it.
What happened to liberalism? We used to demand divestiture from South Africa. Now we praise the genocide in China. It turns out the South Africa just couldn't afford enough lobbyists.
Notable is the lack of any curiosity on the part of the media about the Biden family relationship with China.
> I held in my own hands a counterfeit Cisco switch that included a hardware backdoor that was traced back to China.
I have an official Cisco switch with a backdoor to Langley.
There's nothing the Chinese govt can do to harm me (short of a nuclear strike on Vancouver)
The US govt can effectively end my career by putting me on a no-fly list so nobody will employ me if I can never go to CES or DevCon again.
A decade ago, I held in my own hands a counterfeit Cisco switch that included a hardware backdoor that was traced back to China.
A bit worse than outright copyright theft [which I have seen evidence of back in around 2008-ish].
I was working for a oompan that made antennas, designed in the USA, but made in China and sold to other companies in China. During a meeting they showed (on a projector display) an antenna that had been produced in China, not by a licensed manufacturer. The antenna had similar performance but of course was WAY less in cost. The thing is, the designer of the antenna worked the company logo into the design such that excluding it would de-tune the antenna and ruin its performance. An X-ray of the antenna showed that the company logo was there, underneath the plastic, but "fuzzy" like it had been copied from an X ray of the original.
But I have not seen cases where software or firmware had been deliberately "back door'ed". I had actually written a lot of that firmware myself, based directly on the SDKs for the chip makers (Broadcom, Atheros, TI, etc.). So I cannot attest to a back door, but I _can_ attest to the copyright fraud. Still, it does NOT surprise me in the least.
And, being "in the industry", I can definitely understand HOW a hardware back door into one of these embedded systems COULD be done. The fact that it was (apparently) tried at least once should make the rest of us VERY suspicious until complete trust has been ensured.
Since the moderators are extremely bias, any post that questions their world viewpoint gets banned, yet others which agree with their ban and are more insulting seem to be allowed.
That said...
The issue w dealing w China is that they either force you into a partnership or just outright steal your tech. Notice the slew of Chinese nationals who have been caught w trade secrets in tech and energy research?
There's more, but companies are finding alternatives including building more at home.
Its not just pressure from the Orange Man.
Take 3M. Minnesota company. But make their N95 masks in China.
When the Pandemic hit. they couldn't get their products out of China and China took the inventory first.
Think about that. Then compare KN-95 vs N-95. Quality control isn't there.
Many masks from China had to be rejected and sent back when possible.
Trump didn't teach China anything. If you paid attention, they've been planning that from the start. Just waiting for the Western countries to catch on.
You 'love to read them in public'.
Yet the posts that are banned are not read in public which is the point.
So its a bit unfair to say "Look here's a post that claims we ban things we don't like but follow the rules' yet we see this post. We don't see the posts that are banned so its hard to make an assessment to the actual charge.
To give you an example... SC GOP just censured one of their GOP reps in Congress for voting to impeach Trump.
Now the issue... isn't that they voted to impeach, but that they voted to impeach w 10 days left along with a lack of any evidence being presented. (Ah yes, we all know he's guilty... even if he isn't because Orange Man Bad.)
The problem is that you really can't impeach a man who is already out of office. Justice Roberts didn't sit for it because he already knows what will happen. (Free clue. Its unconstitutional)
Now nothing in this post violates ToS.
But what are the odds it gets posted?
"The issue w dealing w China is that they either force you into a partnership or just outright steal your tech."
One of the reasons for banning Huawei is that they SURPASSED them technologically. How does that compute with your “they just steal everything” allegations?
Exactly. However, the productive way of dealing with a competitor who is better than you is to improve yourself. The tRump approach is to declare economic war, which is a lose-lose strategy. I really hope Biden turns out to be smarter than that.
As others have said, the strategic impact of the tRump blunder (a.k.a. "policy") is that China will build its own high-tech supply chain with no dependency on the US and its unfortunate allies. It will take a few years, but you can be sure that Huawei will not go bankrupt.
Actually they didn't
Where does the US manufacture 5G telco?
Free clue... I can't find it.
Western companies? Nokia?
The issue was that threat to national security is real.
But I bet you own a drone which all of your photos and video get sent to a server in China ...
The entire issue with China is that the West decided to outsource all most all it's manufacturing to China because it was cheaper. This started with low tech stuff and gradually got more high tech as the Chinese got better at producing things. Now this is mostly driven by Western capitalist greed with the goal of maximum profit regardless of the long term implications. There is also an expectation that goods should be cheap as that is deeply linked to the entire way consumerism works, it is cheaper to keep chucking stuff away than fix as well as chucking it away before it is broken.
Why was it cheaper to produce in China?
Lower wages
Lower environmental regulation
Less regulation on working conditions and health and safety.
The Chinese probably have "stolen" IP from stuff manufactured there but equally the West does not have a monopoly on smart scientists and researchers. Overall it should be no surprise that they are now producing things that are better than the same item by a "Western" company and they have a lot of very smart people wanting to do better. Industrial espionage if a global issue and is not unique to the Chinese, they just happen to be the main point of focus.
the West does not have a monopoly on smart scientists and researchers
this may be true, but because of the CCP (and things like "social credit score"), it is my impression+opinion that engineers in China tend to defend higher ups or "status quo", even when blatantly wrong, in lieu of taking an initiative and getting things done. It is my opinion that they are fearing for their jobs. Were it not for an NDA I could describe a situation in more detail where an OEM product started to fail after they made an unannounced design change at the factory in China. I assisted in troubleshooting the root cause, and proposed a solution that was a compromise between the old and new designs (it worked perfectly when tested, and many units were retrofitted with the fix). The solution was basically rejected (keep in mind it took the form of a customer request), with no real reason provided, almost like a denial that the problem even existed. Much later the engineers in China made a "fix" that was, in short, like "using a bigger hammer".
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