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Business intelligence software vendor MicroStrategy has revealed it’s sitting on a billion bucks worth of bitcoin. The company on Monday published a statement revealing that it recently purchased “approximately 29,646 bitcoins for approximately $650.0 million in cash in accordance with its Treasury Reserve Policy, at an …

  1. Anonymous Coward
    Anonymous Coward

    I have this nice London Bridge I can sell you

    Going cheap.

    Failing that, I have these nice e-Tulips which only exist in my imagination, which I can let your shareholders have for a good price.

    1. Cynic_999

      Re: I have this nice London Bridge I can sell you

      You do realise that the money in your fiat bank account is effectively also just e-money and equally imaginary? It only exists as binary data on the bank's computer database - just as bitcoin only exists as binary data in a blockchain.

      Many people will however agree to give you something of real value if you cause the requisite changes to be made in your account database and their bank account database.

      Just as a there is a huge base of people who will make similar transactions if you cause the requisite additions to be made to the Bitcoin blockchain.

      It all depends on what people agree on. There is pretty much zero intrinsic value in either bitcoin or a £50 note.

      1. MyffyW Silver badge

        Re: I have this nice London Bridge I can sell you

        Except the £50 note is backed by a nation of 60+ million people, with a long history of relative stability.

        Even Mutant-Home-Counties-Covid and the French playing silly buggers only knocked a cent or two off Sterling.

        I'll concede a spread bet holding a tiny percent of your net worth in Bitcoin might be prudent, but Queen Lizzie, Boulton & Watt (or a dead President) are still my main preference.

        1. Anonymous Coward
          Anonymous Coward

          Re: I have this nice London Bridge I can sell you

          > but Queen Lizzie, Boulton & Watt (or a dead President) are still my main preference.

          You intend to kidnap them?

          1. Anonymous Coward
            Anonymous Coward

            Re: I have this nice London Bridge I can sell you

            Oops! Never mind. It's been a while since I last saw an actual banknote. Forgot they have faces of people printed on them! :-)

            (Come to think of it, Euros don't. They have imaginary bridges, I think)

        2. Cynic_999

          Re: I have this nice London Bridge I can sell you

          But your "investment" in sterling has not done very well. The pound is worth a small fraction of the value it had just 50 years ago. Just compare what £10 could buy in 1970 compared with today. Now compare what 1 bitcoin was worth in 2012 compared with today.

  2. Sorry that handle is already taken. Silver badge

    There is considerable speculation that the founder (who has previously been investigated by the SEC for fraud, settling without admitting wrongdoing) has used his company's money to buy his personal bitcoin stash. This one will be interesting when the crash comes.

    1. Cynic_999

      "

      This one will be interesting when the crash comes.

      "

      As it will be to people with large amounts of fiat currency when the crash comes.

      1. Blank Reg

        A crash in a fiat currency might mean it's suddenly dropped 10 or 20%, for Bitcoin that's just a normal day

        1. Cynic_999

          Really? A few million Venezualeans would beg to differ. Yes, BTC is at present still very volatile - but the volatility is both up and down. I don't know of any fiat currency that has has any comparable *increase* in value.

          1. Snake Silver badge

            Fiat currency crash

            You are, indeed, cynical. I'm sure you're the type that believes that going back to the gold / silver standard would be such a great idea.

            Your example of Venezuela is perfect. Venezuela's currency didn't just collapse overnight, a move on a fiat currency - backed up by governments - takes time, even as an outlier in world economic examples.

            https://www.exchange-rates.org/history/VES/USD/T

            Bitcoin can, and has, collapsed / recovered numerous times - volatility, thy name is Bitcoin

            https://www.buybitcoinworldwide.com/price/

      2. Sorry that handle is already taken. Silver badge

        Yes, when Bitfinex/Tether can no longer kick the can down the road, the music stops and the players realise the chairs themselves are imaginary. They've been printing exponentially more tethers to support each pump of the bitcoin price and that can only go on for so long. Or until they can no longer extract all the real dollars from the system, of course.

  3. Anonymous Coward
    Anonymous Coward

    "Dependable store of value"?

    As a way to make easy money for a while, I can understand - but as a way to store them, not so much.

    1. Doctor Syntax Silver badge

      Re: "Dependable store of value"?

      "As a way to make easy money for a while"

      And providing your luck holds.

      1. Mongrel

        Re: "Dependable store of value"?

        and you only sell them in small quantities

      2. Wellyboot Silver badge

        Re: "Dependable store of value"?

        Sitting on 70,000 BC @ $22k+ ea. How many can he try to sell before tanking the price?

        His luck will evaporate as he tries to cash in.

        1. Cynic_999

          Re: "Dependable store of value"?

          Just as he would tank the price if he were to sell an equivalent percentage of the total amount of issued IBM shares. Or US dollars for that matter.

          1. Blank Reg

            Re: "Dependable store of value"?

            Shares yes, currency not likely.

            Every day there are about $5 trillion dollars worth of currency traded. Even dumping one billion in one day would barely be noticed if it's any of the top 10 currencies. Spread it over a week and it's a rounding error

            1. Anonymous Coward
              Anonymous Coward

              Re: "Dependable store of value"?

              Not in any way to give any legitimacy to Mr 999, but:

              > currency not likely.

              Black Wednesday. That's how George Soros built his retirement pension in one day.

            2. Cynic_999

              Re: "Dependable store of value"?

              Erm ... I did say, "Comparable percentage of the total". It is of course pretty near impossible that any one individual or company would or could sell any significant proportion of the total amount of USD in circulation.

    2. Anonymous Coward
      Mushroom

      Re: "Dependable store of value"?

      If this is a "dependable store", then we are all doomed:

      https://coinmarketcap.com/currencies/bitcoin/

    3. Steve Channell
      Pint

      Re: "Dependable store of value"?

      Bitcoin price is strongly correlated with the market-cap of illegal drugs.. so will floor if they are legalised, or the FBI think they've identified enough of the drug users/traders to swoop,

      On the plus side, it provides hackers with a nice big target for penetration + good of them to let the NSA know that they're not a major drug baron.

      1. Cynic_999

        Re: "Dependable store of value"?

        "

        Bitcoin price is strongly correlated with the market-cap of illegal drugs

        "

        It seems extremely unlikely to me, but I await your graphs showing the average price of illegal drugs correllated against the Bitcoin exchange rate.

      2. FILE_ID.DIZ

        Re: "Dependable store of value"?

        It also has a correlation with copper.

    4. Anonymous Coward
      Anonymous Coward

      Re: "Dependable store of value"?

      Well put it this way: I spent around £150 in small transactions buying Bitcoin some time ago, and for the past 3 years or so it's paid my VPN ad hosting bills. When (if) my stash finally runs out I'll go back to using "real" money. I always view Bitcoin as electronic money of the spending kind, rather than an investment.

    5. Cynic_999

      Re: "Dependable store of value"?

      "

      As a way to make easy money for a while, I can understand - but as a way to store them, not so much.

      "

      Depends how long-lasting bitcoin turns out to be compared to any other financial instrument such as fiat currency, stocks & shares etc. Any of which can become worthless overnight in the right (or wrong) set of circumstances. Ask any Venezualean about the life savings they had securely deposited as Bolivar in a bank. The pound could go the same way. Or the people who had a fortune invested in Lloyds shares.

      Anything you own that is not tangible goods with a real intrinsic value (such as land, buildings, fishing boats etc) is subject to sudden and unexpected changes in value - some instruments are just less likely to undergo sudden large change than others. And most things with intrisic value are subject to also subject to more tangible acts of fortune - flood, storms, fire, earthquake, acts of war etc.

      The degree of risk is as much perception as it is reality.

  4. Doctor Syntax Silver badge

    If I were a shareholder the news that the company had a billion or so lying around with nothing better to do than be used for speculative investment I'd want to know why it wasn't being returned to me by way of divvies or share buy-back.

    1. Steve K

      Well said

      Well said, as surely the logical extension to this strategy is just to liquidate the rest of the company's operations and put the funds into Dunning-Krugerrands?

      It is pure speculation, and surely not part of its core strategy/Articles of Association?

      1. Wellyboot Silver badge

        Re: Well said

        Logical & prudent. Gold is expensive to make and won't vanish if its storage stops working.

        1. Cynic_999

          Re: Well said

          Gold is indeed a prudent investment - especially in these times.

          1. Yet Another Anonymous coward Silver badge

            Re: Well said

            Shouldn't the bottom half the companies listed on the stock market just buy shares in the more successful companies ?

    2. Claverhouse

      Personally, if I was worth a billion dollars, I wouldn't be interested in getting richer.

      1. Anonymous Coward
        Anonymous Coward

        You say that now, but i bet a large number of people who say that would still try making more money. Whats better than 1 billion, 2.

        Greed gets most people and if you have been able to make that money yourself, then you will start to think that everything you touch turns to gold and you can never be wrong.

        1. Paul Hovnanian Silver badge

          "Greed gets most people"

          Warren Buffet wouldn't turn down an opportunity to grow a 1 billion net worth into 2 billion. And he is noted for living in an upper middle class neighborhood and driving a plain sedan. His is the thrill of doing something, not having it. Or the shiny stuff it can buy.

          1. Anonymous Coward
            Anonymous Coward

            Exactly.

      2. Doctor Syntax Silver badge

        If you had a share in the company you might be worried about getting poorer.

      3. Blank Reg

        That's why it's likely impossible for me to ever become a billionaire. I'd be off enjoying life instead of trying to make more money long before ever getting close to billionaire status.

      4. Anonymous Coward
        Anonymous Coward

        Yes you would. Otherwise you wouldn't have made 1B in the first place.

        The super rich that I know have the perks that go with it, the private (owned, not NetJets) aircraft and so on, but to them those are just instruments so that they can keep practising their favourite hobby: making money.

        1. Cynic_999

          In my life I have been quite good friends with several extremely rich people. I have also been good friends with several people who are well below average in terms of tangible money and assets. Overall, the poor people led a happier and more content life than the super-rich. Unless you inherited wealth or won a big lottery, making loadsamoney tends to be very stressful, and there is rarely time to just relax and enjoy what it can buy. Sure, the millionaire may have a private jet that can take them anywhere - but at the end of the day it is perhaps better to be 100% happy staying where you are and not be driven to keep moving to different places.

      5. Cynic_999

        Once you have more money than you could ever hope to use, it just becomes a game or a competition. Like collecting stamps or pokeman cards. The interest is not in the money itself, the interest is in its collection.

    3. J27

      If I was a shareholder I'd sell sell sell.

    4. Anonymous Coward
      Anonymous Coward

      Not necessarily pay it out in dividends, but I'd be interested in seeing it put to useful use within the business' core area of expertise. Assuming they actually have any, a quick google search suggests they make phone apps and were established in 1989.

      Alternatively, a quick, once-off bit of speculation *might* be tolerated for a short time provided that a sufficiently solid opportunity is seen. I'd still run this through the board first, though.

  5. MarkET

    End all this nonsense

    Quoted from their website, which also has a nice photoshop'ped image of him with a very attractive person.

    "Bitcoin is a bank in cyberspace, run by incorruptible software, offering a global, affordable, simple, & secure savings account to billions of people that don’t have the option or desire to run their own hedge fund."

    ~ Michael J. Saylor

    1. J27

      Re: End all this nonsense

      Oh oh, sounds like a fundamental misunderstanding of what Bitcoin is.

      1. JDPower Bronze badge

        Re: End all this nonsense

        Also sounds like he's trying to talk it up to encourage more buyers and boost the bitcoin price. Not sure that's allowed.

      2. Cynic_999

        Re: End all this nonsense

        No, not really. What's your understanding?

        1. FILE_ID.DIZ

          Re: End all this nonsense

          Well, first off cryptocurrencies aren't hedge funds.

          Two, Bitcoin isn't affordable. The transactions fees are quite expensive in comparison to common modes of fiat transfer, especially in the 'every-day' purchase sized transactions and can wildly gyrate day to day.

          At the end of the day Bitcoin (BTC) has gone from an instrument of value to an instrument of speculation.

          1. Cynic_999

            Re: End all this nonsense

            "

            Two, Bitcoin isn't affordable. The transactions fees are quite expensive in comparison to common modes of fiat transfer, especially in the 'every-day' purchase sized transactions and can wildly gyrate day to day.

            "

            Huh? I had a small amount of BTC which I used to move between wallets (and finally sold recently at a modest profit of a few £k). The transaction fees for each move were typically under £1 per transfer (and you have a choice how much you are willing to pay). OTOH a foreign currency transfer of £100 I made recently via Barclays bank (to a country where it was not possible to do it online) incurred a transfer fee of £25, and that's on top of a hefty currency exchange fee charged by the receiving bank.

            1. FILE_ID.DIZ

              Re: End all this nonsense

              Yes, you do have a choice in how much you want to pay in fees. But that may mean that your transaction will take longer to settle while your transaction sits in limbo waiting for a miner willing to accept an underwhelming offer.

              Looking at a website which tracks transaction fees paid (https://ycharts.com/indicators/bitcoin_average_transaction_fee), it indicates that the average transaction cost per day for the last several days have varied between $6-11USD.

              Foreign currency transfer... that's simply not something that I deal with on a regular basis and it wasn't a point that I brought up, so I'm not sure why you did. However, I'm sure that it is a benefit, but I'd gander that most of your transactions that you undertake across all your accounts on any given month aren't foreign wires/foreign BTC transactions, making it an edge case and not a general use case.

            2. katrinab Silver badge

              Re: End all this nonsense

              Starling and Revolut don’t charge anything to transfer money to my Italian bank account. The Italian bank has a 0.35% conversion margin if I transfer £. Starling charges 0.4% if I transfer €, and Revolt is 0% for the first £1000 per month, then 0.5%, plus an additional 1% at weekends.

  6. Pascal Monett Silver badge
    Windows

    "a genuine bitcoin believer"

    There's one born every minute, as the saying goes.

  7. Anonymous Coward
    Anonymous Coward

    Fortune & Freedom

    Maybe they are getting investment advice from that very successful financial advisor nouveau crypto specialist, Mr Nigel P. Farage?

  8. David Pearce

    Satoshi?

    What happens if "Satoshi" pops up with his estimated 900,000 BTC block steps forward?

    1. Anonymous Coward
      Anonymous Coward

      Re: Satoshi?

      That would be the most fabulous practical joke in the history of the world, wouldn't it? :D

  9. Daedalus

    Everything old is new again

    There's an old story about how a stock market speculator in 1929 realized it was time to get out of the market when he got a stock tip from his shoe-shine boy.

    When the dumb money gets in, the smart money gets out.

    1. Steve K

      Re: Everything old is new again

      I think it was attributed to J.P.Morgan or Joseph Kennedy?

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