back to article IBM warns staff across the business of fresh 45-day redundancy consultations

IBMers are telling us of widespread job cuts taking place right across the entire organisation in the UK and wider mainland Europe with Big Blue disptching memos warning of a looming 45-day consultation process. Yesterday, The Reg revealed that IBM asked Global Business Services personnel to elect management and staff …

  1. Anonymous Coward
    Anonymous Coward

    Quick

    Start recommending IBM. Nobody gets fired for recommending IBM.

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  2. Anonymous Coward
    Anonymous Coward

    I don't know what the fuck they are smoking in the boardroom, but its got to be strong.

    They aren't saving IBM - they are destroying it.

    1. Anonymous Coward
      Anonymous Coward

      They are also giving themselves fat bonuses for doing so.

    2. sad_loser
      FAIL

      Maybe

      it wasn't such a great idea to build an entire economy / company around opening doors for each other, which is what consultancy is.

      In a downturn, maybe we don't need quite so many people in shiny suits telling us how to do our job?

  3. Yet Another Anonymous coward Silver badge

    Groundhog day

    Wasn't IBM redundancies yesterday's story?

    Or is it now a daily feature ?

    1. MrMerrymaker Silver badge

      Re: Groundhog day

      At this point El Reg may as well write one IBM redundancy story, leave off the date, and be vague about numbers, and just sticky it to the middle of the Newest Posts bit

  4. sgp Bronze badge

    Last one out

    Switches off the lights

    1. Tom Paine

      Re: Last one out

      My thought was surprise that they still have enough employees left that they can afford to sack several hundred more. Anyone got the numbers on that?

      1. Anonymous Coward
        Anonymous Coward

        Re: Last one out

        They took on Vodafone's Staff from Vodafone Cloud & Hosting.... as part of one of IBM's biggest deals. And since then they are now in 2nd rounds of redundancy.

  5. Michael Hoffmann
    Facepalm

    Best place to work?

    Only recently some article flew by listing IBM as still one of the Top 3 best places to work.

    Says all about the value of those rankings, dunnit?

    1. Anonymous Coward
      Anonymous Coward

      Re: Best place to work?

      Top 3 best places to work... for senior management roles

      1. Anonymous Coward
        Anonymous Coward

        Re: Best place to work?

        Those rankings don't actually include most workplaces and they don't interview a broad range of people who actually work at those places. I worked for many years at IBM and know a lot of others who have. Nobody ever got asked. It's a scam.

    2. Anonymous Coward
      Anonymous Coward

      Re: Best place to work?

      The devil is in the detail...

      9 out of 10 people, who expressed a preference for working at IBM, were asked to rank IBM as an employer.....

  6. MrMerrymaker Silver badge

    IBM and redundancies

    They made me redundant twice

    Condolences to those "affected" in their cowardly parlance..

    But really, this is now their business model. Replace all Western staff with Indian staff on 3k a year, with high churn*

    *this figure is from when I went to hyderabad in 2009 so probably wildly generous these days

    1. Anonymous Coward
      Anonymous Coward

      Re: IBM and redundancies

      Condolences to those "affected" in their cowardly parlance..

      Condolences indeed.

      Similar parlance is common in big orgs; few want to use the word 'redundancies'. My current lot uses the term 'restructuring'. In a previous life I remember redundancy announcement emails that literally

      did not contain a single negative word.

      I would much prefer them to tell it like it is.

      1. MrMerrymaker Silver badge

        Re: IBM and redundancies

        "Your role is being affected!

        You are now free to move on to new opportunities!

        Enjoy the next stage in your journey!"

        IBM speak for you're binned off, so sod off, and join the dole queue.

      2. low_resolution_foxxes Silver badge

        Re: IBM and redundancies

        My favourite babblespeak is the famed "department right-sizing"

        I literally double took when I heard that one.

        1. Anonymous Coward
          Anonymous Coward

          Re: IBM and redundancies

          HP latterly referred to 'roles being impacted'. They also described job cuts as Work Force Reduction (WFR) but changed that to Work Force Management (WFM) - sounds more positive, doesn't it? Sadly for thousands at HP it meant the same thing.

  7. Anonymous Coward
    Anonymous Coward

    Not just UK....

    UK teams/accounts are normally 30/70 with onshore and mostly offshore staff (takes around 4 odd offshore to do 1 onshore workload), however offshore staff are also being removed from UK accounts and put on growth hub. Growth hub allows the costs of that employee to be removed from the account to balance the books, and that employee sits on growth hub touting out their skills hoping an account picks them otherwise its bye bye IBM.

    If I was considering outsourcing to IBM, I'd ask questions about how many UK staff will work on the account throughout the contract, and what value/tools will IBM bring to the party. The account I worked on had zero IBM tools provided, still using the same tools when we were part of the company we moved from many years ago! Don't be fooled IBM. NewCo is a Wipro re-incarnation. Don't invest in IBM shares, its a shambles and sham internally.

  8. IceC0ld

    SO, the 'NEW' IBM mantra appears to be :-

    We can do more with less, just give us a chance ..................................... PLEASE

    Big Blue was once THE go to when you were looking to buy shares that will give a reasonable return and no risk

    haven't actually GOT any shares of anyone, so my days of looking and checking are well gone, but how does this 'new' version of IBM stack up against the old version of Big Blue ?

  9. Lorribot Silver badge

    We have three servers running IBM software, but we have to have a fourth server runing IBM BigFix and ILMT in order to produce reports for IBM, or their third party auditing company. The software is awful and complicated and flakey and needed some very intensive sessions to get the softwware installed and running.

    We also need quarterly meeting to review our software estate, it is probably costing them more in licence mangement than we pay in licencing fees.

    IBM are eating themselves. They will only have a value of the IP and patents in around 2 years and will be bought out by a Chinese company, likely Lenovo.They are stupid and lost the plot about 30 years ago, it is just surprising they have kept going this long.

  10. low_resolution_foxxes Silver badge

    Silly q, but is it mainly off shoring that's killing IBM? Or competitors improving, or just the opening up/digitalisation of banking IT?

    1. AMBxx Silver badge

      No, they're just rubbish.

      I was recently asked to advise them on something (I'm being deliberately vague). I disagreed with one of their steps. Their response was to ignore my advice as 'this is how we want to do it'.

      Week later, I received a voicemail asking them to call as it had gone wrong. I've not bothering to return the call.

  11. Anonymous Coward
    Anonymous Coward

    You know the lot at the top are floundering when the only way to maintain an obscene profit margin is to sack the very people needed to keep the company functioning. Not that they give a shit. Its all short term decisions made with the sole intention to pad their next bonus. I was really hoping the new guy would change that - its depressing to see him follow the same old worn out decisions.

  12. JohnG11

    Takes me back nearly 30 years.

    Takes me back to the nineties and ICL (god rot their non-existent soul).

    Twenty years working for the company as a data comms specialist. (Modems, LANs, WANs, ISDN, digital exchanges, etc.)

    Having been made redundant in one division, on the last day of the ninety day notice I was offered a job in another division.

    A year later that division had a 'clear out' and the axe fell again.

    The last day? You've guessed it, Christmas Eve. "No need to come in before the 31st!"

    The upside?

    For the next successive ten years I sold my services as a freelance 'specialist' back to them at a significant mark up.

    Good ole manglement, it's the same everywhere.

    1. Anonymous Coward
      Anonymous Coward

      I worked for a big IT company...

      ..(deliberately vague). I did a lot of work for them in the Middle East. Halfway through a large project I got an email telling me that I was being made redundant (long story kept short) and told to fly home to the UK immediately. Anyway, a few weeks after being kicked out of the company I get a phone call. The call was from the Program Manager of the project (the person who deemed I was surplus to requirements). He asked me if I would go back out, as a contractor on 3 times the rate I was getting when I worked for the company. It sounded like he was deep in the brown stuff. I told him I would call him back when I had time to think about it. I never returned the call and rejected all further calls from him.

      I know it was childish, but it felt so, so good!

  13. Anonymous Coward
    Anonymous Coward

    26% UK staff cut by May 2021.

    Another 26% of the IBM GTS UK staff allocated to customer accounts are being cut by May 2021 due to cost cutting. UK Customer contracts already suffering due to the 25% cut in May 2020. If you are thinking of outsourcing to IBM, dont, their products and services are poor, over priced and outdated. I would add in a clause in any contract with IBM to ensure UK staff are used, which each out perform offshore staff by a ratio of 1:3, therefore financially doesn't make sense too offshore. IBM are actually offering 6 months redundancy payment if you volunteer on this round, pure desperation to cut costs and headcount ahead of 'NewCo'.

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