It has been agreed that a plaque will be displayed near to it stating that it was stolen & as a result in Ms Turing's care from 1984-2020.
Missing Alan Turing memorabilia is to be returned to the UK from the US, after it went missing from his old boarding school. The items – including photos, school reports, and Turing's OBE medal – disappeared from the famous British Sherborne School where Turing was educated decades ago. They turned up hidden in the Colorado …
However not a result that will be celebrated by many a British museum
As long as they're open and available for public research it doesn't really make a difference. The likes of the Science Museum and TNMoC can't afford to acquire, store or display everything of value. There will always be private collections.
And there's nothing to stop them loaning items to relevant institutions of course.
"Mail delays in America are holding up the case right now." With Trumps mate Dejoy in the Post Master General role who, as some suggest, been purposely delaying mail to affect mail in ballots, I wouldn't be surprised if the package went "missing" again. On the orders of Trump until BoJo agrees so say on TV "Trump won the presidental race". Sort of petty shit Trump would do.
As the first person to report the Trump Tweet "I WON THIS ELECTION! BY A LOT" here, I claim my right to repeat that on the 13th of November the Royal Mail is releasing Star Trek stamps. How cool is that? You can lick the backside of James Tiberius Kirk. Can 2020 be any bester?
[Disclaimer: Many of you know people who will die this year.
Kirk became the first and only student at Starfleet Academy to defeat the Kobayashi Maru test, garnering a commendation for original thinking for reprogramming the computer to make the "no-win scenario" winnable. This carries a ten prison sentence today.]
One hopes that *if* a plaque is legally required, that it is worded with a secret message encoded within; if the wording cannot be changed (due to legals), then encode something into the frame. Or gaps between words/letters. Or something.
Seriously, now I've thought about it, I'll be most disappointed if it doesn't happen!
> Seriously, now I've thought about it, I'll be most disappointed if it doesn't happen!
Just another plaque next to the first with a ROT13 "Lawyers made us display this plaque."
I can't help but think that the Streisand effect will apply here. Also the article says that the school weren't party to the agreement. So if they refuse to put the plaque up what can the woman do? She can't sue if they haven't signed anything.
Basically she nicked it hence me being baffled about settlements and plaques
Don't forget that this is in the US, where justice is bought and extremely expensive, so it's probably much healthier for the school's finances to just let bygones be bygones and agree to put up a plaque to placate the mad old bat's delusions...
Well, there's evidence that she possessed it, not that she nicked it. Plus she will claim that she didn't know the items were stolen when she "obtained" them, meaning probably not really enough evidence to bring charges or to extradite. After 36 years, they are likely short on valid evidence. A settlement (through arbitration?) was probably the expedient choice.
Maybe the plaque should say "These items were stolen back in '84 by persons unknown. They then spent the next 35 years with this woman who was so obsessed with Turing she changed her name to his. But we cant prove who stole them. Bit of a coincidence though dont you think?"
.... that the UK government is requesting that she be extradicted to stand trial in the UK for:
The theft of the items,
Illegally smuggling the items out of the UK,
Identity theft for using Julia Elliot's name during the theft,
Illegal dog walking,
Coughing without due care and attention, (this one is quite serious these days)
Walking on the cracks in the pavement,
Walking around in a loud shirt during the hours of darkness,
and walking around with an offensive wife! (though this one is in a little doubt)
But of course the USians will not agree to this because they do not agree with the UK government loading up all of the extra 'junk' charges. And anyway, the extradition treaty only actually works one way.
You got to go back in time, when I was a kid in the 50's Alan Turing was considered to be a criminal in Britain because he was gay. So nobody back then would have cared about his history being "stolen" - most likely if the items had not been removed then, in those days, they would all have just been thrown away and we would not have them any longer.
So we think that taking Turing's property was a crime, but keeping the Elgin Marbles is not? Effectively both "crimes" have resulted in the preservation of history.
Comparing apples with oranges since Turing's stuff was stolen in the 80s, not the 60s, although I am very much of the opinion that the British Museum can make plaster casts of the Marbles, keep the casts and send the originals back to Greece. That's where they come from, that's where they belong.
"...the British Museum can make plaster casts of the Marbles, keep the casts and send the originals back to Greece. That's where they come from, that's where they belong."
Not only the marbles, a lot of things in the BM were stolen or acquired in a suspicious manner :-(
In the case of the marbles, they were purchased and would most likely have been destroyed if left where they were(everything left behind was)
That doesn't mean they can't or shouldn't be returned now. Times have changed and there's an appreciation forthe items that didn't exist then
Correct, I believe that Turing was charged with 'Gross Indecency' for engaging in some form of sexual activity with another man.
Andrew Hodges' biography of Turing is very good. I met his only research student, Robin Gandy once and asked him about the book, and Gandy reckoned it was very accurate, although he disagreed on a few points (didn't tell me which ones).
I wonder how further advanced IT would be today if Dr Turing hadn't been persecuted for what was not a crime with women (thanks to Queen Victoria) and had progressed with his work.
His work during WWII helped save so many lives (and resulting £££) yet he was thrown away when not desperately needed anymore.
In all fairness, the court would not have been privy to that information in the mid 1950's. His WWII contributions were classified and not declassified until the mid 1970's. Matter of fact, I learned of Turing's universal machines in a formal language theory course in 1980 and had no idea of his code breaking contributions at the time.
Thank you, it all reads like she saw Turing's legacy not being respected or well-remembered in the UK and was determined to salvage what remnants there were and defend his representation in films.
Quite an effort, if one figures in the name-change, and the recent times come around to meet it. She could have kept all the stuff at home and no one would have known; it's obvious that she cares about his legacy.
The story and comments here were not answering the motivation question, because those items were likely not valued at the time.
Not excusing any actions, but it makes sense now.
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