AMD claims high-end Big Navi Radeon GPUs leave Nvidia's ray-tracing cards in the dust AMD showed off three new graphics processor units for PC gamers on Wednesday, claiming its chips offered better performance than the ones in Nvidia's latest GeForce RTX 30 line. If you missed CEO Lisa Su's presentation, you can catch it below. In the short but sweet video, Su holds up a square metal-encased chip. Lisa Su …
"... drivers any good these days?"
FWIW, on Linux they're better than ever (remember, FWIW), but I'm not sure on Windows or when the hardware is at full tilt under any OS :-/ (multiple displays suck, but they do everywhere so...)
Considering AMD is trying to break into "AI", already has laptops as well as game consoles, I don't think AMD cares about desktop GPU or at best they simply see it as a testing/research platform. Of course with Nvidia's purchase of ARM, I'm not too sure how long Nvidia will care about desktop GPU either (it kind of looks like Nvidia wants to become AMD). Who knows, but I do wonder what the percentage of sales is for any companies desktop GPU's and would it be noticed if it was lost.
Got to be better than my Desktop experience with Nvidia.
After several years, Wayland is still unreachable, the Plasma desktop is flitchy as hell.
Really a step back from my last build, despite a discrete graphics card this build vs. an onboard chip on last (AMD), and it was pre-amdgpu driver.
My Nvidia GTX 1060 has been nothing but trouble in Linux. It's missing/corrupted after a sleep/wake cycle and it took over a year to get drivers that could hit double-digit frame rates in a low-end game like Torchlight ][ at 4K. I would definitely try an AMD card, though probably not ones like these that need a dedicated mains breaker.
I think the article should of mentioned or maybe even highlighted the proprietary angle of CPU+GPU. Or maybe not I guess, maybe everyone is stumped on why you would want your CPU to directly access the memory of the GPU (and can't it already?). I see the advantages, but they seem slight to me to the point where I'm wondering why you wouldn't just use some ASIC and throw in more system RAM. Whatever, this is still a proprietary full stack move that kind of mimics the NVidia "GSync" crap and to gamers an extra ~7% "performance" is a lot (of course 7% of what we'll have to wait to see).
If you make both the CPU and the GPU, why would you NOT want them to work better together? It's not like the GPU won't work well enough with Intel, it's just that you get a slight performance boost when paired with their own 5000 series chips. I honestly don't see the problem there. It's no different to Apple making both the hardware and the software, and people wondering why iOS runs so well on less memory than Android equivalents.
There is an advantage to go AMD on CPU and GPU, probably developed as part of their console work. I am sure AMD will licence the tech to Intel if it wants it as they both have with other technologies, but to be honest if you have an Intel platform you are going to lose out anyway as Intel has yet to provide support for PCI 4, and will likely do that just in time for PCI 5 from AMD.
Intel have been cruising for the last few years as they tried to get their next node up and running.
They are about to release their own discrete graphics cards which will be built on a 3rd parties node not their own.
If you were building a new gaming system now, I don't see anything compelling in buying anything Intel and an all AMD package would make sense. For some specific use cases you could make a case for Intel but that is an ever shrinking pool, not even cost would make the case.
But will you actually be able to buy one? I gave up and cancelled my 3080 preorder after a few weeks. I'm expecting demand for these cards to far outstrip supply as everyone frustrated with NVIDIA will want one! Decided just to get a refurbished 2070S for now and maybe upgrade next year when supply evens out and we know more about the true comparison of these cards
I'm still waiting for Ryzen 4800U availability for my next laptop - they were announced in July but, although Lenovo has publicized the Yoga Slim 7 equipped with one, that version is nowhere to be seen - or anyone else's, for the matter.
Point of order though on the headline:
The AMD cards are pretty much matching NVidia for performance apart from the 6090XT which, with some of their additional provisions, looks to beat the 3090 in gaming workloads. It's not mind blowing but (apart from raw ray tracing performance) they seem to have taken back the performance crown. AMDs cards to score a plus with a significantly lower power draw as well.
The interesting difference for me is the segmentation of the models. All of them are pretty much the same as regards their "infinity cache", main memory size and form factor. The big differentiator seems to be the number of CUs.
A lot of people will be disappointed that there isn't a budget model for those with a more realistic bank account.
I thought about this a bit and it may well be that they anticipate a flood of used cards hitting the market (e.g. 5700 from them, 1080/1070/1060s from NVidia) and they wouldn't like to compete against those. No doubt they are still smarting over the ex-mining glut some time ago where they allegedly couldn't shift new stock.
Just when I was thinking, lots of amazing new games coming along (CyberPunk, Mass Effect Remastered), so time for a CPU and GPU upgrade - But jeez, those power figures scare the crap out of me.
I run a small home-lab with 5 i7 based ESXi servers, and 2 NAS boxes with 12 drives between.. and total they draw less than that the requirements for just 1 of them cards!
Notice how they state their card will beat NVidia in several titles and at 4K resolution? If you do a Google search, you will find that the games they listed are pretty much the ones they beat NVidia in for FPS. Other games perform much better on the Nvidia cards. also, not sure how many people game at 4K, but the 1080p comparisons are in the favor of Nvidia as well as 4K titles not listed by AMD (I think about 5-6 titles performed better on AMD).
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