back to article Indonesia’s black-market phone prevention plan bricks a whole bunch of handsets

Indonesia's cellphone registration scheme – an effort to protect local manufacturers, boost the tax base, and ensure consumers don't end up with dodgy products – appears to have run aground. The nation's plan was hatched in 2019 in response to the scourge of black-market handhelds imported into Indonesia by folks with little …

  1. JetSetJim
    Coat

    I hope they weren't using an "Excel database"

    1. Anonymous Coward
      Anonymous Coward

      What, you think they are incompetent, they know all about the problems with Excel, so they opted for what the big boys use, Access.

      1. JetSetJim

        Given there's 260m+ Indonesians, and the top 2 operators have more than 220m subscribers between them (src: wiki), both Excel and Access will readily break

        1. jake Silver badge

          Cut the fluff:

          Both Excel and Access readily break.

          1. Lockdown Fatty

            Re: Cut the fluff:

            I like mine with warm milk on winter mornings.

        2. katrinab Silver badge

          320m phones in total - source: https://www.cia.gov/library/publications/resources/the-world-factbook/geos/id.html

          It is quite normal for there to be more phones than people in a country.

          1. JetSetJim

            Yup, the UK bust through that metric a while ago, for instance. wrt Indonesia, wiki only lists the number of subs of two operators, and they're a bit out of date. There's at least 3 other operators in the country, so fully expect the population of mobiles to exceed the population.

          2. Test Man

            Well yeah. Obviously the phone companies don't just manufacture one phone per person.

  2. Anonymous Coward
    Anonymous Coward

    The old lady who lived near me...

    ...lived by:

    "I am not rich enough to be able to afford cheap products."

    1. jake Silver badge

      Re: The old lady who lived near me...

      My rule on tools: Purchase the correct tool once.

      I'd rather spend $100 on a good (if minimal) socket set, than I would $19.95 on a "197 piece chromed vanadium tool set with fitted case" ... You gets what you pays for. Unless you like shelling out perfectly good coin for the same tool again. And again. And ...

      1. Flywheel

        Re: The old lady who lived near me...

        "And that's not all! With every purchase of our bargain toolkit we'll give you GIVE YOU a free first-aid kit with a value of £70!"

        1. jake Silver badge

          Re: The old lady who lived near me...

          BUT WAIT! If you order now, we'll DOUBLE your order! That's right, TWO 197 piece chromed vanadium tool sets with fitted cases, and TWO free first-aid kits, each valued at £70!!! (Just pay separate shipping and handling. All major credit cards accepted.) Operators are standing by, so CALL NOW!

      2. Anonymous Coward
        Anonymous Coward

        Re: Purchase the correct tool once.

        Generally, the first time I buy a thingA I tend not to shell out for the premium product - it may not be obvious to me what the "best" make of thingA is, I may find out that after all I hardly ever use the thingA, it may be I decide that a different sort of thingA would have been better. Then, if it turns out that I *do* need a second thingA, because the first is (or was) useful - but crap/broken/etc - I know now that spending good money on a decent version of the thingA makes sense.

        Still, as ever, everyone is entitled to decide on their own strategy. There is, after all, a certain pleasure at having a high quality thingA in the toolbox, even if you never have reason to use it.

        1. JetSetJim
          Coat

          Re: Purchase the correct tool once.

          That's my mistake, then - I keep Thing1 and Thing2 in my toolbox and everytime I open it I end up having to rebuild the house.

        2. jake Silver badge

          Re: Purchase the correct tool once.

          But if you break ToolA1 before Job1 is complete, you'll have to spend the time and energy to purchase ToolA2. It gets worse if your cheap ToolA1 manages to screw-up a part (or parts) of Job1, thus necessitating their replacement. And worse yet, it'll give your nearest and dearest one more thing to bitch at you about.

          Shirley you'd have been better off purchasing a properly made Tool the first place?

      3. DrewWyatt

        Re: The old lady who lived near me...

        I know a professional mechanic who has the opposite idea. The first time he buys a tool, he buys the cheapest that will get the job done. If it breaks, the he replaces it with MAC or SnapOn. As such that means he has a socket set with two SnapOn ratchets, several SnapOn 10mm, 13mm, 15mm and 17mm sockets, and the rest are cheap chrome vanduim.

        He told me it also has the advantage that if a bolt rounds off, he has no hesitation about hammering one of the cheap sockets over the head and welding it on.

        1. Anonymous Coward
          Anonymous Coward

          Re: The old lady who lived near me...

          When it comes to tools, buy at Bunnings. Buy the cheapest brand. If it is usable but breaks after a while, take it back and get it replaced. If it is completely useless, take it back and upgrade to a better brand.

          I have had Bunnings staff tell me to do this when I ask which brand I should buy.

          1. jake Silver badge

            Re: The old lady who lived near me...

            Seems to me that the nearest Bunnings is in Kerikeri, North Island. That's an awfully long drive when I need to replace a busted 17mm socket to fix my tractor when we are in the middle of harvest[0]. I think I'll stick to purchasing proper sockets that won't break in the first place.

            [0] When harvesting silage/earage for a neighbor, we'll typically run the combine and three trucks simultaneously. That's 4 people getting paid, waiting on a busted socket. Do the math(s), even if purchased a trifle closer than clear across the Pacific, diagonally.

        2. jake Silver badge

          Re: The old lady who lived near me...

          No professional I know would think it OK to break a client's equipment. I strongly suggest you find a new mechanic, one who has proper tools which won't round off bolts in the first place.

          Remember, YOU might be the owner of the first bit of kit that he uses one of those broken-by-design tools on. If he rounds off (for example) an oxygen sensor, you'll not only have to wait for him to replace his tool, you'll also have to wait on the part for your car (and it'll be on 6 week back-order, it always is). Who is going to pay for the rental/hire car, so you can get to work? It sure as fuck won't be the guy who is too tight to pay for proper tools!

          Fucking cowboys give us all a bad name ...

  3. Ken 16 Silver badge

    "seemingly because it lacks the capacity to do so"

    I assume this means it has the capability but has not catered for the volumes, it could be read either way. That does sound like poor planning. Maybe the capacity was supposed to expand dynamically?

    1. jake Silver badge

      Re: "seemingly because it lacks the capacity to do so"

      Or it could be that this is a government project, and like all such projects it's a complete cockup and money pit right from the git-go.

      1. chivo243 Silver badge
        Thumb Up

        Re: "seemingly because it lacks the capacity to do so"

        How to get one? government money pit project!

    2. Jimmy2Cows Silver badge
      Go

      Re: "seemingly because it lacks the capacity to do so"

      So maybe they did use Excel after all.

      Some of the project managers heard about that newfangled xlsx format, that it doesn't suffer the limits of the old xls format... 2 + 2 = 69 and off they went. Outstanding! We'll have this done in a week! Trebles all round!!

  4. Aleph0

    What about roaming?

    I get that travelers landing at their airports will find their own handsets have become wifi-only? Or have the authorities exempted foreign-registered SIMs from the scheme?

    Okay now in the after-Corona it's not the right time for tourism, but when it's possible to travel again I think I wouldn't mind a week or two in Bali...

    1. David Neil

      Re: What about roaming?

      If it's using IMEI, it won't care about the SIM inside, it's the handset itself that needs to be registered.

      Wonderwhat the churn rate is on new handsets with a mobile userbase that big, even 1% would be a pain to update properly.

    2. Jos V

      Re: What about roaming?

      This question was raised when they dropped the idea. When using a foreign phone and roaming inside Indonesia, it will not be blocked. Apparently...

    3. JetSetJim
      Boffin

      Re: What about roaming?

      IMEI doesn't have a "country code", so suspect this is achieved via "if the attach request contains a foreign SIM (per IMSI), don't bother with enhanced IMEI checks. If the attach request contains a domestic IMSI, request equipment authentication"

      The signalling for attaching to the network contains optional messages to query either or both (or none) of the IMSI or the IMEI.

      1. Xalran

        Re: What about roaming?

        Simpler... Where does the HLR tied to the IMSI is located ?

        Since the IMSI is part and parcel of the first packet sent by a mobile when it tries to connect to a network, if the IMSI is not in a local operator HLRs, it has to be foreign. ( and then the network will look for the HLR to get all the nice and relevant informations like whom to send the bill to [ at least through which opearator ], if nobody say 'It's Mine' then the network don't register the IMSI and the phone is a brick. [ that way blank SIM cards are worthless until they are 'Activated' [ aka Registered in an HLR ]. )

        1. JetSetJim

          Re: What about roaming?

          It may well depend on the network architecture. Back in the day when I last looked at this sort of thing there was a concept of a VLR that had partial network coverage, going back to the HLR for anyone it didn't know about. Equally, it may well be in the first NAS message into the core network (for a new UE), but that message is not read by the HLR, but the MME (in LTE), which then has to query the HSS which does a DB lookup to determine status and reply.

          Anyway, IMSI contains Mobile Network and Country Codes as first 5/6 digits, so you just read the numbers and can tell if it's yours or if it's a roamer. No need to do a DB lookup to identify a roamer.

  5. karlkarl Silver badge

    It is not really a brick in the same sense that some strict lockdown measures can render the phones in (i.e not even getting to the OS).

    I am sure the phones can still use wifi and play shite games.

    I wonder about foreign handsets with foreign simcards. I doubt these will need registering or tourists might get annoyed. So this government decision is mostly to trap the denizens living in indonesia.

  6. julian.smith
    FAIL

    Turkey has a variation on this

    To "prevent black market handsets" and not piss off tourists Turkey has a variation on this

    You can bring a "foreign" handset in and get a local SIM

    However, the handset must be registered to a Turkish citizen or foreign resident within 3 months or it's blacklisted

    The result: you need a new handset every time you visit. iPhone fanthings will not face this problem

    However, Turks are very enterprising - it's the home of the Telefon Hastanesi (Telephone Hospital) so it's probably a $25 fix

  7. Tempest
    Happy

    Â Handy Website to Know Is . . .

    IMEI.INFO.

    The last IMEI digit is a check digit. The Check Digit is calculated using the Luhn formula.

POST COMMENT House rules

Not a member of The Register? Create a new account here.

  • Enter your comment

  • Add an icon

Anonymous cowards cannot choose their icon

Other stories you might like