back to article Azure DevOps Services reminds users that, yes, it really is time to pull the plug on Internet Explorer 11

Microsoft used the Ignite product singalong to reassure customers that its veteran Internet Explorer 11 browser would remain supported while also urging users to nuke the thing from orbit. It is, after all, the only way to be sure. "Some of our web properties are not going to support IE in the 2021 timeframe," explained …

  1. Unicornpiss
    Meh

    Shinier and Chromier?

    I prefer Fierier and Foxier. You don't have to be so edgy..

  2. Loyal Commenter Silver badge

    Azure Communications Services

    So - not content with having both Skype and Teams offering essentially the same functionality, they have decided to throw a third spanner into the mix? And one that only works if you trust Chrome/Chromium.

    What next? Microsoft Azure Wheels, for when you really want to reinvent something that doesn't need reinventing?

    1. WolfFan Silver badge

      Re: Azure Communications Services

      But, but, but... Azure Wheels are so much more azurer and wheelier than inferior legacy wheels! You must upgrade to Azure Wheels, right now!

      1. HildyJ Silver badge
        Angel

        Re: Azure Communications Services

        Not to mention that they're cheaper than Apple wheels.

        1. WolfFan Silver badge

          Re: Azure Communications Services

          Not any more. MA is now trying to complete on pricing with Apple, and are unclear on the concept. See further‘Surface’, particularly the desktop units.

  3. mark l 2 Silver badge

    I fail to see why IE is still pre-installed on Windows 10, its just another potential security vulnerability on every single Windows 10 PC. It should now be an optional extra for those enterprises that still have legacy platforms that only work in IE and they can download it and install it as needed. And FFS set it up to allow it access to those whitelisted apps that need it, don't be going out onto the internet with it.

    1. WolfFan Silver badge

      I suspect that there’s a deeply embedded link between IE and File Explorer, and possibly other bits of system software, which were deliberately entangled during the Browser Wars and now no-one at MS remembers where all the cruft is and it’s taking a while to completely decruft the system.

      1. J27 Silver badge

        File explorer could use a rewrite/replacement. It doesn't even look like it belongs in Windows 10.

    2. Dave K Silver badge

      There's three reasons all of which stem from when Win10 was originally released. Firstly because Edge was so rough and unfinished when Win10 was originally released. Secondly, IE was still very heavily used in businesses and MS was keen to get them to adopt Win10 without making life any more difficult than they had to. Thirdly, Edge was very tied into the quick-release approach of Win10 and wasn't designed to cope with the LTS builds early-on, hence IE had to be included as otherwise those systems wouldn't have had a browser of any sort.

      It is a bit daft, but it's basically a legacy of these reasons above. Saying that, I would not be at all surprised to see IE removed soon from the core of the OS and instead offered as an optional download for those people who still need to use it. Trident may linger on in the background as a library for applications that still use it of course...

    3. General Purpose Bronze badge

      Currently, MS's own Outlook requires it for "If there are problems with how this message is displayed, click here to view it in a web browser", at least in desktop Outlook. That always opens the email in IE11, whatever your default browser.

      Setting Windows to open .mht files in another application might help, but W10 doesn't support that.

  4. beep54
    FAIL

    Internet Explorer

    needed to have its plug pulled back in version 6.

    1. RM Myers Silver badge
      Thumb Down

      Re: Internet Explorer

      Wait, they're going to pull the plug on IE6? But what about all the apps we bought in the early 2000's that are no longer supported and depend on IE6? We can't replace them - they still work just as poorly as the day we bought them. And we've already paid for them - they're free from now on! Win! Win!

  5. Ringo Star

    meanwhile our work place is putting weird css/js hacks in so that people on Windows XP and IE7 can browse us ...

    1. Mike 137 Silver badge

      Some history

      'Sticking with the unloved browsers after that date will result in what Justin Chung, director of product management at GitHub, delicately referred to as a "degraded experience".'

      When he invented the world wide web a mere 30 years back, Tim Berners-Lee mandated the concept of client agnosticism, so that web content would be accessible regardless of the client being used.

      By the end of that decade, as presentation on the web became fancier, the principle of graceful degradation was introduced, allowing the important (informative) content to be viewed even if the fancy presentation was beyond the capabilities of the client.

      Quite soon, though, that principle was abandoned, forcing users to "update" their browsers to view pages that refused to degrade gracefully - hence almost ubiquitous notices to the effect that "you must turn on javascript to use this site".

      Now, you can't make use of many sites at all with scripting and style sheets turned off, as they're typically an unordered heap of content snippets shuffled and laid out by the scripts and styles, so with those turned off they're unreadable.

      Haven't we made progress!

      1. DoctorNine

        "My name is Tim Berners-Lee. Look on my works ye mighty, and despair."

        No matter how creatively we imagine our new technologies, they all eventually are coopted by agents of social control to achieve their own furtive ends. There is no technological key that will unlock us from the cage that our primate psychobiology has grown us in.

      2. FatGerman

        Re: Some history

        Scripting and style sheets allow sites to do things that the venerable Sir Tim never even imagined. Most of these things are good.

        You're well within your rights to switch off these technological advances, but don't expect people who want to make interesting stuff to pander to your luddism.

    2. fidodogbreath Silver badge

      meanwhile our work place is putting weird css/js hacks in so that people on Windows XP and IE7 can browse us

      Well, sure; you'd definitely want to be accessible to big spenders like that.

      /s

      1. WolfFan Silver badge

        Hmmm... how much does Linux cost?

  6. J27 Silver badge

    I doubt many Azure Devops users are using IE. That's a service for developers.

  7. Anonymous Coward
    Anonymous Coward

    spinal tap "goes up to 11"

    Internet Explorer RIPcs

  8. Ken Moorhouse Silver badge

    IE11 browser would remain supported while also urging users to nuke the thing from orbit

    If they can do that for IE, why couldn't they do it for Windows 7?

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