I mean, come on. If a kid clicks past an agewall on a pornographic site, that isn't suddenly a felony. What evidence do they have that Google knew the children were under 13?
A campaign group is suing Google for up to £2.5bn over claims that YouTube breaks EU data protection laws by harvesting information about children under 13 – and is hoping to turn it into a UK class-action-style case. Duncan McCann, backed by the Foxglove privacy campaign group and a slew of other organisations, alleges that …
Tuesday 15th September 2020 19:35 GMT Anonymous Coward
Generally I would agree as it's all too easy to get foamy at the mouth when it comes to these companies. However pornographic sites don't have content aimed at kids under 13. Add to that paying for content for under 13's and selling advertising space on that content it starts getting a bit iffy. Furthermore why is that content not only on you tube kids if it's for kids. This also depends on how they sold that advertising, do they allow advertisers to specifically target kids under 13? It'll be interesting to see the outcome and how much the law firm get to take from google if they win.
Tuesday 15th September 2020 20:54 GMT Robert Grant
Sure. But kids' tv has always had toy adverts. I don't think that displaying toy ads in between content is somehow new and horrific.
The app does not allow interest-based advertising or remarketing.
YouTube Kids does not allow your child to share personal information with third parties or make it publicly available.
I guess we're going to find out exactly what that means, which is a good thing.
Wednesday 16th September 2020 05:43 GMT Anonymous Coward
re: did google know?
Well Duh! Google knows more about us and especially our children than we do. They never forget (unlike us mere mortals).
Google (and the rest of the scumbags) simply don't care. Everything we do on the internet is $$$$ to them and music to their ears.
I'm just sad that this is only £2.5B. Why not £100B? the former is loose change to Alphabet. Someone somewhere is going to win big... no make that really big in a lawsuit against the data bloodsuckers. That will cause shockwaves through the (anti)Social Media world. Only then will we even start to see a change in behaviour.
Just say no to all this data slurping.
Tuesday 15th September 2020 19:45 GMT EveryTime
I'm not sure if I consider this lawsuit reasonable.
But saying that YouTube isn't for kids under 13... that's obviously BS. There is plenty of content targeted to very young kids, and teachers that are requiring kids to watch YT videos for class. (That is a problem at home because we now need to enable YT access during the school day, which leads to a string of distractions.)
Tuesday 15th September 2020 20:37 GMT Jellied Eel
By your actions shall ye be known.
Yep, obvious BS is BS. With some possible wriggle room. So plenty of videos get demonetised because they aren't advertiser.. I mean family friendly, or flagged as unsuitable for minors. So seems plenty to incentivise content creators to shoot for that demographic. Just not with firearms, because that kind of content is often demonetised..
And of course Google knows damn well that the age range it isn't for just happens to be a very valuable demographic for advertisers and nagware.
Tuesday 15th September 2020 21:50 GMT Anonymous Coward
Google is so full of crap
Trying to claim that YouTube is not for children.
I read this article:
And everything that article claims was correct.
I went down a DEEP rabbit hole looking at the bizarre mind-control videos that were on YouTube produced SPECIFICALLY to target young children and it was very disturbing to say the least.
Once you typed in a few keywords and watched a couple of strange videos the algorithms kick in and the videos being recommended got weirder and weirder.
I was shown a video of a middle aged Asian woman sitting at a kitchen table that had a piece of tinfoil in the middle with fake human feces on it.
And with every repeating color and number song the woman stuck a wooden match into the fake poop.
The mind-control color/number songs kept repeating until the fake poop was completely full of wooden matches and at the end of the video the woman lit the whole shit on fire.
More disturbing was the number of views this bizarre video had.
It had MILLIONS of views!
There is something very very wrong with YouTube.
It was like watching some CIA pay-ops mind control techniques.
Google needs to be sued into oblivion and broken up.
The same for Facebook for allowing mass surveillance as in the other article on ElReg today.
Wednesday 16th September 2020 06:38 GMT big_D
Oooh, follow-up case...
Google Ireland Ltd is said to have denied that it is the data controller for YouTube's EU-based users, instead pointing at US parent company Google LLC.
Oooh, part 2 of the case following in 3...2...1... With Privacy Shield now defunct, that means Google LLC can't be the data controller for EU based user data.
Wednesday 16th September 2020 08:16 GMT codejunky
So parents forget to parent, blame someone else. Google even made a kid friendly version for those parents who really must put their kid on youtube (I am not knocking it, its a great distraction) so it is up to the parent to guide their children. Its just like teaching the kid about fire, you dont give them a lighter and let rip. If the parents are concerned about Google's standard service acting like Google's standard service then the parents need to think for a moment and hopefully will see the problem.
Or it will be Google's fault because Google bad (but still gonna use it).
Wednesday 16th September 2020 10:04 GMT bombastic bob
Discovery process - let's see what we can get made public
The people filing the lawsuit could have all KINDS of fun during the 'Discovery' process, where information gets subpoenaed, testimony is deposed, documents are produced, and so forth. Maybe we can find out what's happening behind closed doors that Google doesn't want confirmed... something that could EQUALLY be applied against them in the UK as well as the USA.
But you know what will happen then - to avoid this from happening, Google will "settle".
I hope they do NOT! In the USA, matters in a trial, unless the judge orders them "sealed", are MATTERS OF PUBLIC RECORD. I hope that in the UK and the EU this is ALSO the case.
icon because "think of the children". heh.