#### Re: How small can you go?

DS999, take a short walk with me.

1) Measure the position of an electron.

2) Measure it again, it has moved.

3) It is constantly interacting with the matter around it, and there is no meaningful difference between those interactions that measure, and those that don't, so it is *always* moving, not just when its measured.

First step takes you away from Schrodinger model of matter. This is the hardest step to make for physicists and the easiest to make for non-physicists.

4) Consider a stationary electron, it does move from 3), yet the net motion is zero because it is stationary. So any motion is oscillatory, it returns to the same place, or sum of those motions cancels out.

5) Those motions are tracing out its size. If it moved further, it would be bigger. So now the electron's size comes from its motion, not some intrinsic property. i.e. matter size/scale is from its motion, and by implication the scale of space comes from that motion.

6) If the electron has mass, and momentum, then it accelerates and decelerates, but the electron's detected position has it jumping around all over the place, in no way can that point have mass. Bugger, we have lost mass as a property. i.e. the electron doesn't have mass as some intrinsic property.

7) We've opened Pandoras box, and lost size and mass, but on the plus side, we have an electron moving in an oscillatory fashion, so we have energy independent of motion. One of the missing properties of mass, we have already found.

8) Also the electron is moving, so we have a field that is moving. So now we have a field over which light can move, albeit with a confusing geometry.

9) If the electron moved twice as far in the Y axis as the X axis, then so would our light. We've lost speed of light constancy, it's no longer moving the same speed in all directions, its moving twice as fast in the Y axis. But then again, if we measure it with matter, then so is the matter twice as stretched in the Y axis, so we have it back again. The speed of light isn't a constant, we just measure it that way.

10) If the electron in our observed matter is moving, then it is also moving in the detector. We are *not* really measuring the position of the electron, we are detecting the difference between the two, the detector and the electron.

11) Detect with detector D1, electron E1 and electron E2 and they have the same properties, so their motion is the same with respect to those properties, i.e. its a resonant system

12) This is true even if E1 and E2 are at either end of the universe. So electric force must propagate infinitely fast. All paths from E1 through space must take zero time for all to arrive at E2 at the same time and be resonant.

13) So the underlying electric force propagates infinitely fast, and the electric force we make with electrons is an oscillatory force over the same field that our light moves over. So now we have a reason why electric force propagates at the speed of light.

OK, so we've broken a bunch of things, we're missing some properties of mass in this case gravity. But I promised a short walk, and this is enough.

"The faster matter travels the more massive it is, hence more energy is required to further increase its speed."

14) You're pushing matter with an *oscillating* force from 13, you cannot push it faster than 1 wavelength per resonant oscillation with that force. It's harder to push not more 'mass'-ive.

"As it collapses and the edge nears the speed of light some of its rotational energy would be converted into increased mass, acting as a natural brake"

15) Yeh, there's a limit to rotation in a resonant universe too, if you're stuck at 1F and you have a two axis oscillation with ~zero component in the third axis, that's as fast as it will go, beyond that you have to go to the 2 x resonance.

" we don't know what's inside the event horizon of a black hole"

Look around ya. We have an oscillating resonant universe at some 'frequency 'F'', F is just a number, 2F is just a number. How would you tell the difference between F and 2F if you were inside?

You can measure the electron, now oscillating 2x faster, but you're comparing it to a detector that's oscillating 2x faster.

You can measure the speed of light, now 2x compressed, but your matter is also 2x compressed.

So what's inside a black hole? Well from my window, it looks like rain today.