...because PHB's always learn from past mistakes. Right?
Transport for London asks Capita to fling Congestion Charge system into the cloud
Capita has scored a hefty contract with Transport for London that includes sending the body's on-prem IT systems for the Congestion Charge, and the Low and Ultra Low Emission Zones (ULEZ), into the cloud. TfL hired Capita to manage tech for the Congestion Charge when it was first established in 2003. It then replaced the …
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Tuesday 11th August 2020 09:42 GMT Doctor Syntax
In this case you've got to wait for them to make the mistake and have the inevitable result. Originally in CC security actually mattered;. Communications were point-to-point and none of your internet nonsense. Even internally subcontractors had to have secure production networks to handle the data. Now it's cloud.
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Monday 10th August 2020 12:52 GMT tip pc
£355m for 5 years!!!!
£71m a year to charge people to go into central London.
Considering the volumes of traffic still entering and paying to enter the emissions zone clearly the current transport mechanism is lacking functionality to help reduce those numbers further.
The thing is, the more successful at converting journeys to non congestion/ emissions charging alternatives the more the charges need to become to pay for this infrastructure!!!!
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Monday 10th August 2020 13:34 GMT Len
Re: £355m for 5 years!!!!
From an economics point of view the London congestion charge system is a no-brainer.
We have a scarce resource (road space in central London) and undesirable phenomena (pollution, traffic jams, noise) that appear to be price sensitive. By putting a price on these, people decide to avoid using up scarce space, pollute etc. where they can.
As a local government you can even tweak the knobs to encourage and discourage some behaviour (no fees for electric vehicles* or key workers, extra high fees for heavy polluters, turning the system on and off on specific times depending on the goal du jour) making it a policy instrument.
It seems to have worked too, if you look at the takeup of bus journeys (the bus system was barely functional prior to the congestion charge introduction as walking was often quicker) and the improvements in air quality (admittedly with still a long way to go as London and Athens seem to be battling for the honour of having the worst air quality in Europe) then it has worked.
Obviously running the system it comes at a huge cost that should be solely born by people entering the CC zone but, as someone living in London (inside the ULEZ but just outside CCZ) I would not mind at all if the city made a profit out of it that could go towards infrastructure improvement in other areas.
* Obviously this will need a review in a couple of years when many more cars are EVs but they can cross that bridge when they get to it.
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Monday 10th August 2020 12:55 GMT Anonymous Coward
This will be crap, mainly because the actual talented people of capita are leaving or looking for other jobs.
Mr Lewis said that they will put more money into retaining talent. That was a bunch of crap because several talent people have left, and to "try to keep them" they were offered an extra grand.... lol it is pathetic. These people are getting 5k-10k more at their new jobs.
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Monday 10th August 2020 13:14 GMT Len
To be honest...
...and it might be me but as far as I know the Congestion Charging system is one of the few large scale IT projects that actually seems to work well. Well in the sense that I don't frequently read about cock-ups, outages and other disasters. For instance, I am not holding my breath for all the new customs infrastructure that is currently developed in haste.
Is it a question of me just not having noticed any major issues with CC recently or is this one of those cases where good news is no news?
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Monday 10th August 2020 13:33 GMT Hawkeye Pierce
Re: To be honest...
I agree, but I'll also add that whilst not problem-free, the Oyster system (contactless card for TfL public transport) seems to have held up well over the many years it's been in place. It has had its crashes but I believe the last significant one was more than four years ago and the one (or two as it happened) was eight years before that one.
I imagine the Oyster system must be way more complicated than the CC system. Don't know about the volume of data (guessing more people travel on public transport in any one day than enter the CC zone?) but the complexity and nature of the Oyster data must be way more.
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Monday 10th August 2020 13:37 GMT Len
Re: To be honest...
Good point, Oyster works well too and is likely a lot more complex.
The main challenges with CC are probably the accuracy of the ANPR system (even a 1% failure rate would be a lot of work on appeals from people in North Yorkshire or summat who will contest they were not driving in London at the time) and how to deal with non-UK license plates entering the zone.
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Monday 10th August 2020 14:20 GMT Stuart Castle
Re: To be honest...
As said above, Oyster does work, mostly. Whoever designed the system did a good job,
It's not perfect, but it reliably handles hundreds of thousands, if not millions, of journeys a day.
If I had a pick faults, it would be that the cards themselves can be a little unreliable, (been using Oyster for ten years, and had dozens of cards just fail on me, and even my current card doesn't show up as being properly registered to my account, despite TFL assuring me it is).
Another thing I'd like to see is the ability to update my card via the iPhone app. The new versions of the Southern and Southeastern apps can upload tickets bought online to their cards via NFC. I'd like the TFL Oyster app to do the same, but they don't seem to be updating it.
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Monday 10th August 2020 18:07 GMT danbishop
Re: To be honest...
Entirely agree with what you're saying, but in the spirit of register pedantry... "number plate" not "licence plate". Licence plates are issued to owners, whereas number plates are issued to vehicles. The DVLA issues number plates in Great Britain. The DVA issues them in Northern Ireland. Although it's true that number plates no longer consist of just numbers in most countries, they're still officially named as such across gov.uk
You are of course talking about foreign vehicles, but these are almost all going to come from elsewhere in Europe and I'm not aware of any European country employing the North American system of licence plates?
I'll see myself out...
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Monday 10th August 2020 13:55 GMT smudge
900 more staff?
To cope with the contract expansion, Capita said it is set to hire and train 900 more staff, the "majority" of which will be "encouraged" to work from home.
WTF are 900 additional staff going to be doing? How many people are already working on this?
Do they have the same productivity as Serco's covid contact tracers?
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Tuesday 11th August 2020 10:34 GMT Anonymous Coward
Re: 900 more staff?
"To cope with the contract expansion, Capita said it is set to hire and train 900 more staff, the "majority" of which will be "encouraged" to work from home."
The majority will not be working from the UK either way - Mumbai maybe. More of the UKs infrastructure and systems now effectively given away to offshore while the indigenous population can't find work.
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Monday 10th August 2020 16:34 GMT Anonymous Coward
Its Capita, so the worst that could happen is....
Dear Mr. Hack,
Thanks to our world-leading technology deployment, your car's Nevada (United States) license plate has been detected driving or parked in the London Low and Ultra Low Emissions Zone 2,117 times in the last month. Per Transport for London's congestion charge policies, please remit 38,174.83 Sterling, or the U.S. equivalent $59,362.15, per the enclosed invoice.
That's our story and we're sticking to it,
Capita, on behalf of Transport for London
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Tuesday 11th August 2020 10:16 GMT Anonymous Coward
Get used to it
Congestion and Emissions charging zones are not going away anytime soon. More and more cities are going to impliment them not only as a way of raising money but reducing the pollution caused by Petrol and Diesel engines.
ICE vehicles are going the way of the Dodo. Boris has decreed that this will happen and AFAIK, very few MP's are against it.
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