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Report: CIA runs secret cyberwar with little oversight after Trump gave the OK, say US government officials
The CIA is running a secret cyberwar including Russian-style hack-and-leak operations with little or no oversight, US officials have warned. The covert operations are largely targeted at Iran, China, Russia, and North Korea, say anonymous sources, and have included the public disclosure of 15 million debit card details …
Thursday 16th July 2020 06:03 GMT amanfromMars 1
Well then? Now not such a crazy question, eh? But who and/or what is it for is now outed?
Which presents the question ........ Do NCSC do ACTs ?...... as in Advanced Cyber Threats and/or Treats? Global Operating Devices would have you know. ..... https://forums.theregister.com/forum/all/2020/07/14/huawei_ban_uk/#c_4072386
And ....... now that such Unconventional State Aided Madness it is outed ...... what/who do you prefer it to be for, [although to be perfectly frank and brutally honest, that choice is long ago well made], Almighty Brains in a Commanding Control Centre or Half Baked Nit Wits on a Jolly Cruising Holiday?
And remember, .... Never forget, if you're not in, one cannot win win and/or be out outed ‽ .
cc ...... Dominic Cummings's Eton Mess Hall of assorted super-talented weirdos and misfits with odd skills to exercise in/with masterly commands with/in exquisite controls and Special Forces AIR Services ..... which you do yourself a great favour realising are at least Advanced IntelAIgent Research and an Almighty Immaculate Resource easily made readily available to All in Great Dire Straits Need of Such Novel Proprietary Intellectual Property Feeds, which methinks extraordinarily renders it Universal Potential rather than confining it to/as a Local Application.
USA Madness ....... The Insane Gift which just Keeps on Giving ITs Succour to the Oppressed and Depressed and Suppressed.
Thursday 16th July 2020 06:55 GMT Anonymous Coward
Thursday 16th July 2020 06:57 GMT Potemkine!
Thursday 16th July 2020 14:13 GMT Blazde
Re: Didn't it happen before?
There's no contradiction in Trump's actions at all, just as there was no contradiction when Obama broadly trusted his intelligence agencies but didn't allow them cyber-offensive autonomy.
Did Obama do the thing? No - Do the thing. Yes - Do the opposite thing.
Simple, and also incidentally why Trump is a sitzpinkler.
Thursday 16th July 2020 07:11 GMT eldakka
Thursday 16th July 2020 08:00 GMT Mike 137
Friday 17th July 2020 06:18 GMT Michael Habel
Re: A question
Question: when does "national security" precipitate international insecurity?
Answer: When you as a proper Statesman care MORE for your own Country than that of the rest of the World. (e.g. America First), and you have the deacency to to come out and state it as expcit fact, with out retorting to lip service, and panderring gestures of globalists.
Thursday 16th July 2020 09:03 GMT Pascal Monett
Trump is a paranoid powermonger
It is hardly surprising that he authorized the CIA to do something that even Dubya did not. Trump thinks that aggressiveness is a sign of strength, and he will seize any opportunity that allows him to feel strong.
The next US President is going to have a lot of work returning the USA to a functional democracy.
Thursday 16th July 2020 09:49 GMT Julz
Thursday 16th July 2020 12:31 GMT Anonymous Coward
Thursday 16th July 2020 17:00 GMT Anonymous Coward
I'm convinced the pee tape doesn't exist. If it did, the projector in chief would have accused Biden of hiding a watersports fetish by now.
I'm also skeptical of the claims in this article. Really? We're supposed to believe Trump unleashed a cyber warfare campaign without creating the Cyber Force Warriors branch of the military?
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Friday 17th July 2020 06:26 GMT Michael Habel
Newsflash the Stone Dossier is pure fiction created by the Clinton campaign to make a poor attempt at discrediting our President. Now if you want discuss some real abouse. How about them FISA Warrarnts taken up against then Candidate Trump, by the Obama Whitehouse?
Talk about an abuse of power...
Thursday 16th July 2020 10:23 GMT Anonymous Coward
Trump wasn't told what he was signing (see below). When he found out his reaction was exactly what you'd expect a Russian puppet to say.
He really is sending intel to Russia, he really is working with Russia while they are killing US troops abroad. He really is working with their Russian troll farms to help spread Corona Virus through the US.
Trump is a traitor that's sold out his country for quid-pro-quo.
And Putin is performing biological warfare on the USA, it makes no difference that he didn't come up with the virus. His guys are trying to spread it as much as possible. It's killing people. That's biological warfare.
Trump is complicit.
"The US is escalating cyber attacks on Russia's electric power grid and has placed potentially crippling malware inside the Russian system, The New York Times reported Saturday. "
"Two administration officials told the Times they believed President Donald Trump HAD NOT BEEN BRIEFED in any detail about the US computer code being implanted inside the Russian grid.
"Pentagon and intelligence officials describe to the Times "broad hesitation" to tell Trump about the details of the operations against Russia. They tell the Times there was concern over how Trump would react, and the possibility that TRUMP MIGHT REVERSE THE OPERATION or discuss it with foreign officials.
Trump said in a string of tweets Saturday evening that the Times report was "NOT TRUE," calling the Times' reporting "a virtual act of Treason" and the news media the "enemy of the people."
"Do you believe that the Failing New York Times just did a story stating that the United States is substantially increasing Cyber Attacks on Russia. This is a virtual act of Treason by a once great paper so desperate for a story, any story, even if bad for our Country....." Trump said in one of the tweets.
See how angry Trump is to find out the US is attacking boss Putin's troll farm?
Thursday 16th July 2020 10:55 GMT Anonymous Coward
Dear Brad Parscale
Time to get that book written. You can see the courts are ignoring his NDAs just as he's ignoring their rulings and laws and subpoenas. So you'll be able to publish.
Be sure to add all the gruesome details about the Russian troll farm contracts. Both now and in 2016.
As wave 2 of Coronavirus hits, and Betsy Devos forces schools open, with potential ~56,000 dead kids*, there will be great anger. So who told all those Karens that wearing a mask would cause them to die from lack of oxygen? You? Your app? Your trolls?
Brad you can see your future here can't you? There'll be lots of kid-sized body bags. They'll want prosecutions, you'll be the bad guy spreading lies, kids will be dead from those lies, your lies, "thoughts and prayers" won't hack it this time. Too many crying mothers. "Brad did that, Brad told those lies to those Karens, that's why we sacked him" Trump'll say.
Did you? Better get your side of the story down in writing now.
1 million people expected at Tulsa, only 6200, that's 0.62%. Less than the death toll from Covid19. Not enough Karens and Darrens to hide behind, and anyway, it will be *their* kids. You fooled *them*, you caused *their* deaths, they'll be at the front of the pitchfork mob!
* CDC current figure for under 25's death toll is 0.1% *not* 0.02%. The potential death toll among kids is not 14000 as some claim, its far higher. That assumes you have the ventilators at the time too.
Friday 17th July 2020 12:15 GMT Anonymous Coward
Re: Dear Brad Parscale
"As wave 2 of Coronavirus hits, and Betsy Devos forces schools open, with potential ~56,000 dead kids*, there will be great anger."
As against Disney reopening theme parks and ignoring social distancing? How many dead kids and adults will that get you? (And you seem to have missed that, somehow, children seem to be resistant to Covid 19. But why let such tiny details ruin a crappy political diatribe?)
Thursday 16th July 2020 10:31 GMT iron
If Iranian hackers posted details of millions of US bank accounts online the US would, rightly, be calling for their arrest.
But apparently it's ok if you're with the CIA.
Can we just cut them off from the rest of the Internet? Pleeeeease. As a bonus we wouldn't be able to read the caveman rantings of the orange one.
Thursday 16th July 2020 11:41 GMT Ben Tasker
Friday 17th July 2020 16:08 GMT JCitizen
Saturday 18th July 2020 10:12 GMT Ben Tasker
Re: Like they haven't already??
> Why is the US always expected to withstand the slings and arrows, and not do a damn thing about it?
Where did I say do nothing?
I said don't target civilians. And, by extension, don't be surprised when the result of you targeting civilians is your own civvies being targeted more by state level actors.
If the US wants to target foreign infrastructure, whatever. But leaking lists of individuals credit-card numbers? They're *supposed* to be better than that - doing it sends a serious message about their morals, their capabilities or perhaps both.
The individual citizen doesn't have an awful lot of say in their government's politics, even in the US. But the CIA seems to have decided it'll hold an unfortunate few citizens responsible all the same.
If they airdropped some seals into an Iranian high street who went around beating randomers up for an hour to teach the IR gov a lesson, would you defend that? It's the same underlying principle, states should act against states, military and high-level officials, not individual citizens.
Sorry, but it's reprehensible and utterly indefensible IMO.
Thursday 16th July 2020 10:33 GMT TheInstigator
So where's the limit
So given this memorandum - where is the limit of what is acceptable in a cyberwarfare scenario.
If all traffic lights are set to green, all water purification measures are switched off intermittently - all train routing is randomised, aircraft routing systems compromised etc - this will obviously result in the loss of human life - whether it be the new Axis (Russia, Iran or China) or Allies (5 eyes et al)
How do you draw a limit - is it a free for all ? Why don't we just start killing everyone ? It's the ultimate in equal opportunities.
Thursday 16th July 2020 20:27 GMT Claptrap314
Where it can be enforced
The convention against the use of chemical weapons works because it is relatively easy to trace the physical components. Nuke treaties can (in theory) work because ICBMs are large enough to be traceable.
Bits? Not so much.
The real justification for this stuff is that if we don't continually improve our capabilities, the Chinese will get so far ahead of us that we will be wiped out in a minute. Okay if you want to live in Hong Kong these days, I guess. But for me? No.
I REALLY wish I had a good answer for this.
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Thursday 16th July 2020 15:42 GMT vtcodger
It's a good thing
The covert operations are largely targeted at Iran, China, Russia, and North Korea, say anonymous sources
It's a good thing that "they" have opted to target folks who are too well mannered and/or have insufficient skills to retaliate.</SARC> This is a problem that may well solve itself once the "targets" start shooting back. We may be learning a lot more about CIA, NSA, and Trumpian procedures, workflows and finances in coming months and years.
Thursday 16th July 2020 16:10 GMT Pen-y-gors
But on the bright side...
This means that attempting to hack US government networks is now completely legal outside the USA. If they are fighting an undeclared war against the rest of the world they can hardly object when people fight back.
So no more extraditions to the USA.
Release Julian-the-prat now!
Thursday 16th July 2020 17:09 GMT amanfromMars 1
Re: But on the bright side...
That sounds perfectly reasonable and a fully legitimate argument for judicial agreement, Pen-y-gors.
The consequences and just desserts due to wanton gaolers of the unwarrantedly persecuted and criminally confined is a bitter sweet confection all not worthy can enjoy in applications which destroy the corrupted and perverted and subverted systems administrations as would labour to enable and support such abominations and tolerate injustice.
You certainly don't want to be on the wrong side of that enigmatic equation for it is suitably hellish by all accounts. No Escaping Prisoners, No Capturing Survivors.
Friday 17th July 2020 10:55 GMT batfink
When did this get the go-ahead?
So, any relation to the current waves of sabotage across Iran then?
Although I would be interested to hear how any cyberattack managed to set seven boats on fire.
I'm of two (maybe three) minds about these attacks. Are they (say) Israel trying to make sure that the Iranian nuclear programme is delayed, or is this the US trying to provoke a serious Iranian reaction just in time for the election?
I don't credit internal actors, as the targets seem unlikely for any internal group upset at the current regime.