Wow. O.O My condolences to the family.
Could the known pressures of business life in Asia have any factor in this?
The CEO of computer hardware and motherboard maker MSI has died after falling from his company's headquarters in New Taipei, Taiwan. Charles Chiang was discovered outside MSI's offices in the Zhonghe District after he plummeted from the seventh floor of the building. How and why he fell is under a police investigation though …
Yes, thank you for the links. But those who need the help often do not ask for it, often do not raise alarms with those around them, and all too often don't get any 'help' worth being called that once they ask.
My boss's brother committed suicide, out of the blue as far as that family was concerned. Even though the family has a history of bipolar, including my boss himself. Never raised alarms, they did not suspect that he just could no longer deal with life.
And, after some terrible mishaps in my own life, I had some of those types of thoughts as well. When I asked for help with my doctor she referred me, and (as usual for me) the referral was USELESS. The therapist spent the entire initial 45 minute meeting trying to get me to sign a promissory note to her that I wouldn't try to hurt myself, instead of listening to me and what I was trying to resolve. Never went back, I can assure you.
So when they say that getting suicide intervention is available...don't let them make it sound so easy.
Some mention was made of health problems. There are certain things that very few people would dare to face.
I've heard that Don Cornelius (Soul Train) and Bob Welch committed suicide because they each were facing declining health problems that would become crippling sooner rather than later. Probably felt it was better to die before they found themselves in hospice care, or worse in a vegetative state.
Sad for friends and family, but declining into that state is no better for them either (and possibly worse, if I can compare my own experiences in this)
"agencies are just automatically assigning deaths with unreported causes as Covid-19" - which? where? evidence? Here's the current guidelines for England and Wales:
"doctors are expected to state the cause of death to the best of their knowledge and belief"
I recall hearing a story once that Mehdi Ali had posted a resume online that included the claim that he "oversaw a major operational turnaround at Commodore International".
For those not in the know. the "major operational turnaround" in question was going from a mildly profitable going concern to a memory. Yes, he was the guy in charge when Commodore went bankrupt. All evidence points to him being an asset stripper and said bankruptcy was a direct consequence of that.
If you're using "vertigo" in the correct medical sense (dizziness or difficulty with balance), that could explain his falling out of a window. The common misuse of "vertigo" to mean acrophobia (fear of heights or of falling) wouldn't account for being at a seventh-floor window in the first place.
"a real person has died"
Yes. And that's sad.
But at the risk of showing my heartless, engineering-based side, someone should be performing a root cause analysis. Was it health problems? Psychological? Work pressure? Political? A loose balustrade? It would also be sad to let a life go to waste without learning from the example. Recognizing others suffering from the some problems and making changes to help prevent such a thing from happening again.
If he could've talked to someone, he might have realised there were other ways out.
As an aside, I quite like MSI's motherboard offerings, but I'm coming to strongly dislike their "Dragon" software. It seems massively bloated for what it does, and I see bits of it high up my list of active processes far too often for my liking.
That is not perfectly correct English (should such a thing exist.) It is probably a translation by someone for whom English is a second language, which is fine. The colleagues are not being mourned.
All staff are deeply saddened and in mourning is what was meant. My use of the word staff instead of colleague is my own pet peeve.
The couple of people I personally knew who committed suicide did it for reasons none that knew them could understand. In these cases, it was not financial but internal demons that were never suspected. It could be the case here of suicide for deeply personal reasons that will make no sense to even his family and friends.
Same. We were wainting for a guy in a bar. One of us had spoken with him a few hours ago. We got worried when he didn’t show up and answer his phone. It turned out that he had taken his own life. It happened just like that, out of the blue sky. No warning, no sign beforehand what would happen. We never got to know his reason.
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Speaking as someone who almost went through with it, it is not always obvious even to those who are contemplating suicide. If it wasn't for one single "WTF?" moment I would have kept on going without even questioning what I was contemplating.
All I can say is; I am glad I had that (brief) spark of insight, as well as the support of my wife and friends. And 8 months' worth's of anti-depressants to keep me in check until my brain chemistry re-aligned itself. I still have the odd bouts of depression, but now I recognise them as they start and can do something about it before they get too far.
It's a crying shame that everybody knows to check boobies, prostate, eat healthy, alcohol in moderation, exercise, etc etc...but the merest whisper of something not being right in the most important part of the body and it's like the world is about to end.
Sometimes people go through shitty periods in life and sometimes they start to feel like the world would be better if they just weren't in it. Such people shouldn't feel shamed while already in a bad way. It should be possible for people to talk with friends and family members without the fear of some sort of repercussions.
So why does this stigma persist?
That's almost impossible to answer since there are many different causes or reasons for other people's apparent or real lack of care...
Fear of consequences:-
They may have their own issues.
Be in denial about something.
Afraid that getting involved (as they see it) may have negative impact upon themselves.
Themselves be stressed out and struggling.
Reacting rather than responding (i.e. subjective rather than objective).
The stigma seems to be self perpetuating.
Lack of empathy (sociopathy). And sympathy is rather over-rated (my opinion only) since it seems to include a variable psychological/personal distancing factor...
Upon reflection, I'm not sure that trying to enumerate or list things is actually a useful thing to do. It doesn't seem to lead to resolution, now that I think about my own experiences over the last 50+ years or so...
Am I capitulating? No. Given that opinions are like bumcracks, everybody's got one and some are shittier than others. I try to keep my mind open and modify my own thoughts depending upon what I learn and experience.
I therefore submit that this is an extremely complex subject that does not lend itself to simplification or wholly logical analysis. Logic being hugely useful but can sometimes be simply a way to err with confidence.
You can no doubt see my own ambivalence and uncertainty.
Take care and good fortune each :)
I'm glad you feel you have proper support.
Years ago, in the nineties, a friend of mine lost his brother. Heart-attack the family said at the time.
Then, five years ago, my dear friend suddenly passed away. And during the service I learned two things: 1) Suicide. 2) ...just like his younger brother.
About two years before that, he told me he had checked in to a psychiatric clinic. He met a woman there who seemed fairly okay. I tried keeping in touch, but he had a habit of not returning my calls, so I figured I would give them some space. And he became a father again. Besides, we lived 400km apart at that point, so it wasn't as if I could just pop over to check on him.
I honestly thought he was doing okay. I did hear a rumor that he maybe had split up with his gf, but I didn't take that rumor seriously, and figured he would give me a call when he felt up to it. I was about to build a house near the coast and had already told him to pop by when it was done.
I dunno. I miss the guy a lot. So if any of you are thinking of doing something similarly stupid, think of those around you first. Try reaching out. And please do not assume people automatically realize something is up. My friend was one of the most brilliant people I have ever known, and I assumed he had everything sorted.
A friend, who was bi-polar, committed suicide by lighting two instant barbecues which he placed in his iron bath (no fire risk) and went to bed with a bottle of brandy.
By the morning he was dead from carbon monoxide poisoning.
He had the opportunity to change his decision, which is not possible when falling to the ground.
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