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CompSci student bitten by fox after feeding it McNuggets
An Australian university may euthanise campus foxes after they bit computing students. Foxes are not native to Australia but were introduced so they could be hunted. The animals have, predictably, become feral pests that devour local wildlife. And now they're after computing students, too. As reported in University of New …
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Friday 26th June 2020 05:32 GMT Anonymous Coward
The Fox obviously has good taste
Feeing it McNuggets! Where is the beef! (sic)
Shows that even suppsoedly dumb animals have better morals when it comes to food that we do. IMHO, nothing that McD's serves qualifies as proper food.
Let the downvoting begin but in my area, the whole place was better when they were closed. Now their discarded containers litter the streets once again. If anything it is worse than before.
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Friday 26th June 2020 06:39 GMT BebopWeBop
And equally crazy that their other critters (rats etc) have been allowed to get to numbers where they are considered attractors for the foxes.
Now I like foxes in their proper place - and the British countryside is one such place (preferably without some baying hooray on horseback in pursuit), but Australia is not. Like many non-native species they were introduced (for 'sport' I believe) and have a devastating effect on native fauna. Time for them to go. I should add, so you can see my bias, that living in the Scottish Borders, we trap and shoot Grey Squirrels as well. Cute, yes, a danger to the native Red - very very much so.
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Friday 26th June 2020 08:18 GMT BebopWeBop
Re: Poxy Greys
Exactly. The pox does kill some greys, but it invariably fatal to reds. In many ways, they are largely complimentary - the reds being lighter tend to stay higher - which may explain in part how my rather fearsome mogs bring in greys, presumably intercepted on the ground, but they never brought in Reds in a different house in a Red population area.
I should say this is a mixed blessing. Few things are worse than confronting the lower half of a squirrel, dismembered ion the hall carpet in the morning. I suffer for their art.
In fact, the score over the last three years is trapped and shooting: 7, Pi and Mu (for they are so named) :3. But for the moment a determined campaign means that we see Reds on the fringes of our woods, and Grey sighting are considerably lower than they were (maybe keeping out of sight :-).
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Saturday 27th June 2020 09:39 GMT Tom 7
Re: Poxy Greys
Where I live in the west country I lose about 4 or 5 tons of hazelnuts to greys every year. The old boys tell me it wasn't a problem till the greys arrived. Alas modern farming means they're not considered a local food source any more and no-one bothers to cull them and I have no chance on my own.
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Friday 26th June 2020 17:43 GMT Anonymous Coward
Interesting, as where I live we have red and grey, the red are very aggressive, while the slightly larger grey are skittish. But that doesn't mean our reds are the same as yours (smaller than the greys).
I saw a black squirrel at Niagara falls 2 years ago, same size as a grey, very pretty fur. I was told it was not a native breed.
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Friday 26th June 2020 10:20 GMT Headley_Grange
What did students do to me?
(UK) Students don't drink any more - so there must be something wrong with them. Numerous unis have shut their bars completely - Portsmouth, Dundee, etc. The bar in my local uni is tiny, often empty and sells more coffee than beer. If students don't drink then what's the point of them?
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Friday 26th June 2020 18:04 GMT Anonymous Coward
Re: What did students do to me?
>>(UK) Students don't drink any more - so there must be something wrong with them.
I'm guessing the massive tuition fee bills they get, coupled with not getting the grants, housing benefits and union subsidised beer that the older generation were entitled to has something to do with it?
We had it so good. And then had to make sure the next generation couldn't profit like we did!
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Friday 26th June 2020 20:24 GMT SloppyJesse
Re: What did students do to me?
If you had housing benefit, grants and subsidised beer then I'm the 'next generation' as I didn't have access to any of those - but I definitely remember drinking large quantities.
My 3 offspring all went through a phase of drinking but all pretty much stopped by 20. They seemed mainly put off by the choice between trendy bars with music blaring or smelly pubs full of oldies.
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Friday 26th June 2020 21:18 GMT Glen 1
Re: What did students do to me?
"We had it so good. And then had to make sure the next generation couldn't profit like we did!"
I prefer the phrase "voted not to pay for it". As that puts the responsibility where it lies. With the voters.
When tuition fees were ~£1K per year, its was possible to support yourself from a part time job (with optionally minimal student debt). I know, because I did it.
With fees currently at £9k, even a median income person ( ~£25k ) would be paying more than a third of their income. That's assuming you could fit in around your full time job. Which tells you all you need to know about the types of folk the gov want getting degrees.
Student finance in the UK looks generous at first glance. Loans are large and low interest. You don't have to begin paying them back until after you earn over a reasonably high threshold.
Until you dig deeper into the payback rules on the other side. The way the thresholds work effectively create a new tax bracket where you are paying an *extra* 9% of what you earn over the threshold. (extra to other taxes, because no, its not tax deductible). Given the large sums owed you could be paying that rate into your 50s.
So its hilarious when politicians look like they are committing career suicide by suggesting regular income tax gets tweaked by a percent of so.
If you make education expensive, only the rich get educated. There are those that turn their nose up at everyone and their dog being able to get a Bachelors degree. Somehow, they see the competition as a bad thing.
The thing is, If all these folks were always capable of earning that degree, artificially limiting access for those people serves no purpose other than gate-keeping. (insert prejudice of choice here)
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Saturday 27th June 2020 09:47 GMT Tom 7
Re: What did students do to me?
I spent 3 years roaring drunk and having a great time at uni. I returned a couple of years after graduating to discover the head of security having a retirement do in the main uni bar (now closed) and, having been active in putting on lots of gigs and events we'd rubbed each other up a lot but had fun, went to wish him a happy retirement. He said 'I wish you buggers were back, the kids today are a nightmare - they work till 9pm and then get drunk and fight, they just dont know how to enjoy themselves'
Not saying beer is the answer to everything but if you choose your questions carefully...
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Sunday 28th June 2020 18:12 GMT PassiveSmoking
Re: What did students do to me?
Damn, if students don't get drunk then where will the Daily Mail get those photos from that prove that students are all debauched hedonistic brats who spend all their time puking in the street instead of studying? I mean they've already had to recycle images from 2017 for their annual "students suck" Fresher's week story in 2018
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Friday 26th June 2020 13:14 GMT Arthur the cat
Wow, what did students to do you that was so bad that you want to wipe them out?
In my days as a CS academic there were one or two students who we wouldn't have minded seeing taken by wolves(*). Sadly there were no wolves on campus.
(*) Specifically one idiot who I supervised in 3rd year lab who told me almost every week that his terminal wasn't working when he'd simply failed to switch it on. His pièce de résistance was the time he insisted he had switched it on and it still wasn't working. To be fair he had, but as I pointed out while waving the three pin plug at him, plugging it in to the power is also needed.
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Friday 26th June 2020 05:42 GMT Anonymous Coward
This is why we can't have nice things.
They're not domesticated right, they're still wild animals even if they happen to live on and around a campus. I am baffled by people who think they can interact with random animals like they can with their pets.
Several years ago, my local university had to cut down what was basically a very small forest on campus and erect a few fences. Deer liked to hang out in the wooded area (as did people) and inevitably students would try to pet the deer or feed them (despite signs) and to no ones surprise some got hurt either as a result of getting to close or deer getting aggressive having associated people with food.
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Friday 26th June 2020 08:33 GMT Peter2
Re: This is why we can't have nice things.
I'm not. It's in fashion to have animals portrayed as people in animated films and stupid people (of which there are a lot) can't separate fiction and fantasy.
Personally i'd be quite happy with keeping some cute looking, but vicious (and non lethal!) animals around just to demonstrate the meaning behind the term "once bitten, twice shy". Removing the things that bite just perpetuates the problem of ignorant students that believe that wild animals are actually just like them.
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Friday 26th June 2020 10:39 GMT Teiwaz
Re: This is why we can't have nice things.
animorphism I can somewhat understand.
But Princesses singing duets with clocks and candlesticks?
I'm always half expecting a reveal that said young lady is actually really barefoot, straightjacketed and drooling in a padded room banging her head off a padded wall.
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Friday 26th June 2020 08:46 GMT John H Woods
Re: This is why we can't have nice things.
It's not just wild animals - it's other peoples animals. I know lots of cases of horses that have become seriously ill or even died because well-meaning people think that they might like oaty bars or grass clippings. Unfortunately, horses eat tasty things and, unlike dogs, can't vomit.
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Friday 26th June 2020 16:20 GMT Mark 85
Re: This is why we can't have nice things.
Several years ago, my local university had to cut down what was basically a very small forest on campus
Somehow that just seems wrong to cut down the trees and put a fence up to keep the deer out. Would it not have been better to fence in the humans to keep them away from the deer?
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Friday 26th June 2020 19:36 GMT Nunyabiznes
Re: This is why we can't have nice things.
You should look up some YT vids of people in Yellowstone Park. People routinely try to interact with bison, wolves! and grizzly bears!! Even the black bears will gnaw on you given the opportunity (ie you force your way into their personal space).
I've watched people approach bull elk in rut, cow moose's calves, and bison personally. Yelling at them doesn't have the effect you think it would.
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Friday 26th June 2020 07:01 GMT TonyJ
Re: Foxes, rabbits, toads, et al
"... Foxes, rabbits, toads, et al
No place in Aus.
Not native.
Not dangerous enough..."
Reminds of the other Oz joke:
Scientists have just concluded the longest, most detailed study of the flora and fauna of Australia, to finally determine what is not harmful to humans.
And the answer is "Some of the sheep"
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Friday 26th June 2020 09:12 GMT Rameses Niblick the Third Kerplunk Kerplunk Whoops Where's My Thribble?
Re: Some of the sheep
Oz joke? I thought this was courtesy of Sir PTerry, in "The Last Continent" , circa 1998.
Death held out a hand. I WANT, he said, A BOOK ABOUT THE DANGEROUS CREATURES OF FOURECKS–
Albert looked up and dived for cover, receiving only mild bruising because he had the foresight to curl into a ball.
After a while Death, his voice a little muffled, said: ALBERT, I WOULD BE SO GRATEFUL IF YOU COULD GIVE ME A HAND HERE.
Albert scrambled up and puled at some of the huge volumes, finally dislodging enough of them to allow his master to clamber free.
HMM… Death picked up a book at random and read the cover.
DANGEROUS MAMMALS, REPTILES, AMPHIBIANS, BIRDS, FISH, JELLYFISH, INSECTS, SPIDERS, CRUSTACEANS, GRASSES, TREES, MOSSES, AND LICHENS OF TERROR INCOGNITA, he read. His gaze moved down the spine. VOLUME 29C, he added. OH. PART THREE, I SEE.
He glanced up at the listening shelves. POSSIBLY IT WOULD BE SIMPLER IF I ASKED FOR A LIST OF THE HARMLESS CREATURES OF THE AFORESAID CONTINENT?
They waited.
IT WOULD APPEAR THAT–
“No, wait, master. Here it comes.”
Albert pointed to something white zigzagging lazily through the air. Finally Death reached up and caught the single sheet of paper.
He read it carefully and then turned it over briefly just in case anything was written on the other side.
“May I?” said Albert. Death handed him the paper.
“‘Some of the sheep,’“ Albert read aloud. “Oh, well. Maybe a week at the seaside’d be better then.”
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Friday 26th June 2020 06:47 GMT Chris G
Re: occasional rabbits
The Occasion for rabbits, is being ' in the mix'.
Populations go from decimated by periodic plagues of mixamitosis to periodic plaguse of bunnies.
As far as petting foxes is concerned, this is a university full of bright kids right?
It would be even funnier if it was in Darwin uni'.
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Friday 26th June 2020 21:43 GMT Glen 1
Re: occasional rabbits
"university full of bright kids right?"
Yes. However, experience is the best teacher.
Off topic sidenote: I always wonder were folks in the IT industry think others got their experience from.
I sometimes see people posting words to the effect of "You don't hire people to do X unless they have already done X for years" or "that's what you get for hiring people who don't know what they're doing"
Its as if they expect university to have taught their new hires years worth of experience in this one particular job near the start of their career. I wonder if these people stopped learning some time ago, and if these are the folks writing the job ads.
See also: Junior developer roles requiring years of experience. If you have that experience, you're not applying for roles with 'Junior' in the title.
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Friday 26th June 2020 06:24 GMT Twanky
University authorities will attempt to reduce debris in the hope that trims campus rodent populations and causes foxes to move elsewhere of their own accord.
They're looking at the problem wrongly. The campus is littered with McD and other fast food outlets' rubbish and the rubbish attracts rodents and they attract foxes which bite the students. Seems to me that they'd do better to purge the campus of slovenly students.
In other news: Research finds Comp-Sci students tastier than McDonald's chicken nuggets.
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Friday 26th June 2020 10:14 GMT DavCrav
"They're looking at the problem wrongly. The campus is littered with McD and other fast food outlets' rubbish and the rubbish attracts rodents and they attract foxes which bite the students. Seems to me that they'd do better to purge the campus of slovenly students."
Or purge it of McDonalds.
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Friday 26th June 2020 07:15 GMT Denarius
Once caught
Most of us shoot the damned things,caught or otherwise. Brought in by some pom major whining "farmer always dislike a gentleman's pastime" Haven't found his grave yet to spit on it. Also, judging from the airhead city dwellers I have had to work with, or worse, meet at polling booths, most of them seem to think Disneys cartoons like Bambi are nature documentaries. Much prefer the Mr Hell show parody of Lion King.
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Friday 26th June 2020 10:32 GMT Hubert Cumberdale
Re: Once caught
It's fine, because contrary to popular belief, sheep ≠ clouds. Anyway, never mind his degree in meteorology, Tomasz Schafernaker must have a master's degree in seamlessly covering up after a rude gesture. But it seems to be from the University of Wrexham.
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Friday 26th June 2020 08:14 GMT Fading
I see an obvious flaw in their plan.
"University authorities will attempt to reduce debris in the hope that trims campus rodent populations and causes foxes to move elsewhere of their own accord." but according to the story the students are another food source - so perhaps they need to be culled so the foxes move on?
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Friday 26th June 2020 08:36 GMT OssianScotland
Subject Specificity
Are foxes attracted only to Comp Sci students, or have other disciplines been involved to (Enquiring Minds etc...)
If the former, is it down to behaviour of that student cohort, or is there something special about them the foxes find attractive (regular users of Mozilla browsers, perhaps?).
If the latter, we need a full set of data - Student Subject, circumstances of bite, result....
There should be at least a PhD in it somewhere!
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Friday 26th June 2020 09:04 GMT anthonyhegedus
It's ironic that foxes - a cute, friendly mammal which is fastidiously clean and remarkably bonded with man - could possibly be euthanised, whereas the preponderance of all manner of really dangerous animals exists in Australia as a whole. Why don't they do something about the spiders, the insects, the sharks (both sea-sharks and the new land-sharks I think I've heard about), and the venomous shrews or whatever they're called?
It seems its one rule for scary-as-hell arachnids and another for cute vulpine quadrupeds!
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Friday 26th June 2020 09:08 GMT RockBurner
Intelligence (smarts) has nothing to do with taught knowledge or learnt experience (although they are complimentary).
I'm not at all surprised that young people brought up almost exclusively on Peppa Pig and other similar 'entertain the children but hide the reality' media in their early years; and educated in a stripped to the marrow formalised system that focuses on box-ticking; have no idea what the natural world is actually like and what sort of behaviour to expect from real wild animals. (Despite the preponderance of nature documentaries).
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Friday 26th June 2020 12:19 GMT Anonymous Coward
Re: Nature documentaries
But you can't let the poor little darlings know there is anything nasty out there... you must protect them and coddle them and keep them safe - and then watch in surprise when they - and you - discover that sometimes speaking nicely to something (or someone) doesn't help and that the nasty man in the balaclava really doesn't give a damn that you want to commiserate about his childhood, he just wants to take your money and possessions and will stab you if you don't hand them over - and he might just decide to stab you anyway, even if you do hand them over.
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Saturday 27th June 2020 12:43 GMT Anonymous Coward
That's nothing. Some Londoners moved into Chew Valley next door to a pig farm and then complained to the Council about the smell.
The ignorance of city people about country life has been a thing since long before the first student offered a fox what was either a tasty looking finger or, this being Australia, something resembling a snake.
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Friday 26th June 2020 21:26 GMT Anonymous Coward
Re: Wombats?
"Wombat" sounds so harmless - like a small, cuddly variety of bat. And then you realise it's an extremely strong animal with a near-bulletproof padded backside that it can use as a weapon, the size of a Labrador,and territorial. And they drop cubic faeces which they use as building bricks for marking territory.
And that's part of the less worrying Australian fauna.
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Monday 29th June 2020 13:24 GMT Anonymous Coward
Re: It's likely the foxes will be euthanised
We don't "tell ourselves". When your dog has developed inoperable liver cancer and you ask the vet not to bring her round from the sedative, you wish that the medical profession would do the same for you. Still can't sleep that night, but from sadness not guilt.
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