back to article CSI: Xiaomi. Snappy Redmi Note 9 Pro shows every fingerprint, but at least you get bang for your buck

Bargain-basement phones like the Redmi Note 9 Pro helped establish Xiaomi. And, having spent time with the Chinese firm's latest blower for the UK market, it's really not hard to see why. First, there's the price: at £249, it sits in that competitive sweet spot between the bottom and middle tiers of the smartphone market. And …

  1. codemonkey

    Apple?

    I don't get the mention of the SE 2020?

    https://www.gadgetsnow.com/compare-mobile-phones/Apple-iPhone-SE-2020-iPhone-SE-2-vs-Xiaomi-Redmi-Note-9-Pro

    1. JDX Gold badge

      Re: Apple?

      It's the cheap iPhone. Lots of people like iPhone. Although "only £150 more" on a £250 device is quite a large "only" propertionally

  2. Pascal Monett Silver badge
    Trollface

    "can it play Call of Duty"

    I fear not. CoD takes up around 200GB of disc. Unless that mobe has a 512GB sim card, it won't have the space for it.

    1. Anonymous Coward
      Anonymous Coward

      Re: "can it play Call of Duty"

      It seems you don't know the difference between a sim card and am SD card..

    2. logicalextreme Bronze badge

      Re: "can it play Call of Duty"

      You might also want to go look at how much onboard storage phones have these days and how inexpensive 256GB SD cards are (hint: cheaper than the latest CoD game).

      Troll icon noted though *narrows eyes*

  3. JDX Gold badge

    "With 64GB, it’s likely you’ll end up coming face-to-face with your phone’s limits in short order"

    Only if you use it to store media I would say, or take a lot of videos. 64Gb will hold a LOT of photos. I might be tempted to spend the extra cash on an SD card rather than the 64GB if budget were that tight?

    Anyway this sounds like a seriously good bang for your buck. And an IR blaster... why is this not more common?! My TVs all claim to support mobile-link via WiFi but it is a waste of time whenever I tried.

  4. My other car is also a Trabant.

    NFC

    The article doesn't mention it but according to GSMArena it has NFC, which is on my (at least) essential list. But no water resistance.

    The economics are interesting. An important point re. Apple is that their products work well (battery replacement excepted) for about 4-5 years, which means a £1000 phone costs around £200-250 a year, in simplistic terms. The Xiaomi probably stays up to date for 2 years, or £125 a year. The SE2020 is in no way a competitor, any more than a Mazda MX5 is a competitor for a Dacia Duster. Different market sector.

    Now consider that neither the iPhone 11 pro nor the Xiaomi have 5G, which means that in reality the iPhone may be a paperweight in 2-3 years, but with the Xiaomi you don't care.

    So unless you really need or want certain performance aspects which the average buyer won't notice, even on a 2 year replacement cycle the Xiaomi is under half the real cost of the Apple (or Samsung) competition. It's quite a high price to pay for helping keep the US economy afloat.

    1. Anonymous Coward
      Anonymous Coward

      Re: NFC - at least get the figures right

      "The economics are interesting. An important point re. Apple is that their products work well (battery replacement excepted) for about 4-5 years, which means a £1000 phone costs around £200-250 a year, in simplistic terms. The Xiaomi probably stays up to date for 2 years, or £125 a year. The SE2020 is in no way a competitor, any more than a Mazda MX5 is a competitor for a Dacia Duster. Different market sector."

      But the SE2020 costs £419 which, over 4 years, is £105 pa - beating the Xiaomi. And I have iPhones going back up to 7 years that are still in regular use by members of the family (even a 4S that I use as my backup). [And I've found that 64GB on an iPhone is plenty if you add 79p pcm for iCloud storage. Of course, I don't play a lot of games and photos, video, etc. I need to keep gets moved to desktop storage and backup.]

      The Xiaomi looks good as a mid-range phone but it shouldn't be decided on initial purchase cost - it's only best if teh full package best suits your needs. I've recently bought £20 handsets for a befriending service during lockdown - they only need to make voice calls and are handed out to volunteers - when the service is no longer needed, they're disposable as far as I'm concerned. If one breaks, it's quick and cheap to replace. Anything more expensive would be overkill (and not be the best use of resources - especially as the service will be much reduced once lockdown eases).

      1. AVee

        Re: NFC - at least get the figures right

        And a Fairphone costs £400,- which over 6 years is £67,- per year. And you can actually replace the battery on that one as well as use a Micro-SD. So That beats both by quite a big margin...

    2. doublelayer Silver badge

      Re: NFC

      "Now consider that neither the iPhone 11 pro nor the Xiaomi have 5G, which means that in reality the iPhone may be a paperweight in 2-3 years, but with the Xiaomi you don't care."

      Oh come on. 5G isn't even really implemented yet, only being present in small quantities in a few cities. While they may have completed a worldwide roll-out in three years, it's not going to be that fast. They'll have to keep 4G running throughout that process and for a while afterwards, much to their displeasure. While I have no doubt they'll try to get that shut down as soon as possible, it's not going to happen before most Note 9s or iPhone 11s are broken or replaced.

    3. JDX Gold badge

      Re: 5g

      >>consider that neither the iPhone 11 pro nor the Xiaomi have 5G, which means that in reality the iPhone may be a paperweight in 2-3 years

      They're not going to turn 4g off in 2 years.

  5. TiredNConfused80
    Paris Hilton

    !!Stupid Question Alert!!

    As both Xiaomi and Huawei are both Chinese how come the Xiaomi has Google Play services?

    1. Anonymous Coward
      Anonymous Coward

      Re: !!Stupid Question Alert!!

      Because they're different companies?

    2. My other car is also a Trabant.

      Re: !!Stupid Question Alert!!

      Because Xiaomi is careful not to compete with Apple, whereas Huawei dared to compete with Apple, Cisco and Qualcomm.

    3. Pat Att

      Re: !!Stupid Question Alert!!

      I think it's a reasonable question. Huawei made the mistake of being too successful, and hence economically threatening Apple, Cisco etc. in the USA, so Trump banned them. He says it's for security reasons of course, but I don't buy that personally.

      Xiaomi will also be in the firing line if and when they are big enough, if it happens with Trump still in charge.

      1. Tuesday Is Soylent Green Day

        Re: !!Stupid Question Alert!!

        It doesn't matter which president is in charge. Crony capitalism is rampant on both sides of the floor.

    4. T. F. M. Reader

      Re: !!Stupid Question Alert!!

      Xiaomi are in the smartphone and accessories business. Huawei are in the telco equipment business, and also make smartphones. It is the telco equipment part, not the smartphone part, that seems worrisome to (some) authorities.

  6. TiredNConfused80

    Sorry...

    ...for some reason I thought the Trump trade embargo was on all Chinese products not just Huawei. No idea why I thought that....

    1. doublelayer Silver badge

      Re: Sorry...

      Huawei was specifically put on a list of companies who are not allowed to use American components. Everyone else is fine. Depending on what you think of the American government's policy, the reason is either because Huawei has stolen technology from American companies and they don't like that, because Huawei competes with a possible American communications company such as Cisco or that proposed Nokia-Erikson merger that didn't happen and they want to take them down, because Huawei has connections to the Chinese government and they have been used by that government but the U.S. can't show us the evidence, or because Huawei is big and Chinese and makes a good bargaining chip. Given my own opinion of the American government, I imagine it's most of those reasons combined and nobody really knows which one matters each day.

      To contest the allegation above your comment, it's not about competition with Apple or Qualcomm. There are lots of places that compete with Apple on smartphones, including, despite statements, Xiaomi. There are also lots of places using their own chips rather than using Qualcomm, including Samsung (make their own mostly), and a lot of places using Mediatech for the SOC provider. Not even about modems, as you can get those from Intel, Apple, and a few Chinese and Taiwanese manufacturers. If competition is involved, it's about the tech running communication networks, not the components in consumer electronics.

  7. Alumoi
    WTF?

    ... consuming emails...

    How do you consume emails? Roasted? Boiled? Deep fried? Mixed with some videos and pics and served on a special plate?

    Inquiring minds would like to know.

    1. Anonymous Coward
      Anonymous Coward

      Re: ... consuming emails...

      > Inquiring minds would like to know.

      It's a consumer phone so emails are consumed. If it were a professional phone then emails would be professed.

    2. logicalextreme Bronze badge

      Re: ... consuming emails...

      It's up to you, but it's tough to get them guaranteed spam-free.

  8. Anonymous Coward
    Anonymous Coward

    everything you'd want from a phone in 2020: including a quad-camera setup

    I applaud the use of word "want" over "need" re. 4-cam setup

  9. hoola Bronze badge

    Fingerprints

    Any phone that has a glossy finish (and to be fair, most other finishes) show every fingerprint. It is irrelevant who the manufacturer is, the problem is the same. This appears to be a dig at Xiaomi because it is cheap.

    Besides, most people use some sort of case anyway.

  10. Anonymous Coward
    Anonymous Coward

    The most important feature to mention...

    The most important feature to mention when reviewing a Xiaomi phone is not whether it has NFC/Google Pay, although that's second because they have a habit of including it in some markets but not others, but whether the appalling and potentially dodgy Mi Browser can be completely disabled, ideally uninstalled altogether but at least not keep making itself the default browser when you've told it to STFU.

    1. Richard Boyce

      Re: The most important feature to mention...

      If they're doing one very dodgy thing, it's a prudent assumption that they're doing more. It's reports like yours that help inform my purchasing decisions. Many reviewers, like many consumers, don't care or have the time to care.

      I've had one Samsung phone, and privacy and security concerns over what Samsung has done on that, with basic functionality tied needlessly to granting access to contacts, not taking no for an answer, background Samsung processes of unnannounced functionality that you can't uninstall or disable. etc, mean that I'm unlikely to buy another Samsung phone.

      I won't buy Apple because of cost. Are there other good brands for those that want basic respect for privacy and security without paying through the nose, and without having to consider replacing the firmware?

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