back to article What does London's number 65 bus have to hide? OS caught on camera setting fire to '22,000 illegal file(s)!!'

Those wondering if perhaps there were nefarious actors at work back in 2016, influencing the electorate, need look no further than some software on a London bus tidying up after itself. It has taken a while for the bork team to uncover it, but the shot taken on the number 65 bus to Richmond back in October 2016 seems …

  1. Test Man

    It was blatantly the Russians. They were "checking our infrastructure" when they realised that they may be found and decided to quickly delete their tracks. It was just merely unfortunate that the entire top deck of the 65 could see what they were doing.

    1. Anonymous Coward
      Anonymous Coward

      Does this mean we're safe from the Russians because none turn up?

      At least until three turn up at once...

  2. STOP_FORTH Silver badge
    Happy

    65 bus route

    Back in the day when Red Ken simplified bus ticket prices by introducing zones, you could probably travel further on a 65 than any other bus and stay in one zone.

    I don't know why anyone would want to know this.

    Happy days, travelling from Kingston to Ealing for a pint or two.

    1. Andy 68

      Re: 65 bus route

      Absolutely.

      Ealing Broadway to Chessington Zoo for a day trip. Took about an hour and a half, IIRC. Sat at the front, up top, with my Grandma.

      Happy times.

      1. Foxglove

        Re: 65 bus route

        'Took about an hour and a half, IIRC'

        I assume that didn't include the wait for the bus to arrive, long bus routes in London can be very unreliable. I know they try and regulate them as best as they can, but I once waited over an hour at Ealing Broadway for a 65 to take to me to a barbecue at a mates house in Petersham.

        And of course the first but that arrived was filled up by those who had been waiting more than the hour I had so I had to wait another 20 minutes for the second one.

        Damn I was thirsty when I got there.

        1. Ken Moorhouse Silver badge

          Re: 65 bus route

          Who remembers the Petersham Hole? We're going back to 1979 here when dinosaurs roamed the earth. Eh, no the dinosaurs came later.

          http://adch.org/gallery/main.php?g2_itemId=3617

          No matter, you had to get off the 65 at one side of the Hole, walk around it and catch another 65 at the other side.

          1. My other car is also a Trabant.

            Re: 65 bus route

            FTFY

            1. John Brown (no body) Silver badge

              Re: 65 bus route

              "FTFY"

              Jeez, petrol at 132p. Sounds familiar. Until you remember that was per gallon then and per litre now!

        2. My other car is also a Trabant.

          Re: 65 bus route

          I remember when a retired admiral wrote to the Times saying people shouldn't complain about ten buses all arriving at once. "Since London Transport adopted the convoy system not a single bus has been sunk."

          1. John Brown (no body) Silver badge

            Re: 65 bus route

            Apart one that dropped down a sink hole. (Although maybe that wasn't London)

            EDIT, Ah, yes, it was Norwich.

            1. Meistersinger

              Re: 65 bus route

              The same thing happened in Manchester some time ago. As I remember, it was due to the collapse of a Victorian age sewer.

            2. Anonymous Coward
              Anonymous Coward

              Re: 65 bus route

              That bus was obviously made from an old decommissioned submarine

              DIVE ... DIVE ... DIVE !!!

        3. Terry 6 Silver badge

          Re: 65 bus route

          London Transport used to claim that long waits and a convoy of buses arriving at the same time was the result of "bunching" on the long routes through Central London.

          But I used to get a bus from time to time a couple of stops after a terminus. Over the course of 40 or so minutes I'd see 4 or 5 buses ( same number I wanted) go up to the terminus, a couple of stops away. And nothing coming down for me to get on to. Then they'd appear. Together, in a row.

          1. Stuart Castle Silver badge

            Re: 65 bus route

            I was on a bus once that waited for several minutes at a stop. Eventually, we got an automated announcement telling us we were being held at the stop to help TFL synchronise the route.

            1. Terry 6 Silver badge

              Re: 65 bus route

              They do that now. Dunno, maybe it helps. ?

            2. Ken Moorhouse Silver badge

              Re: we were being held at the stop to help TFL synchronise the route.

              The usual message is about evening out the gaps in the service.

              The interesting one is (or used to be) Hyde Park Corner Eastbound on the Piccadilly Line, which had a thing called Balanced Headway. You'd frequently get a red signal there for quite a while and you'd get the occasional curious passenger asking the driver "why are we waiting here?" The answer was that "We're waiting for a train behind to 'drop on'." The idea was that the number of trains a certain distance behind that train must be greater than or equal to the number ahead of it in order for the train to proceed.

              The shortcoming of the scheme was the limited visible counting 'horizon' the system had, it was all done using relays and long cables. With the advent of computer control it was possible to not only increase that horizon, but look at other factors too, such as trains approaching a converging junction in order to aggregate the timings.

          2. John Brown (no body) Silver badge

            Re: 65 bus route

            "Then they'd appear. Together, in a row."

            Well, obviously they all took the exact same length, union mandated break, no less and no more.

            1. Terry 6 Silver badge

              Re: 65 bus route

              No. That would be a constant. So they'd depart at arrival time+n ans the space would be the sae on departure as on arrival.

    2. teknopaul Silver badge

      Re: 65 bus route

      What is it with English people and pride about transportation knowledge? For Taxi drivers, The Knowledge, as if any other knowledge is incidental.

      If you enyoy the journey it matters little how long it takes. Perhaps there in lies the problem?

      1. STOP_FORTH Silver badge
        Happy

        Re: 65 bus route

        It's all we have left! We're interested in railways, underground railways, traction engines, steam ships, clippers and omnibuses because we were instrumental in developing most of them when the rest of the world were using horses.

        Aeroplanes (US), hot air balloons (France), Zeppelins (Germany), motor cars (Germany), rockets (Russia/Germany), monocars (Russia), autogyros (Spain), helicopters (Russia) are passing fads which will never catch on. Consequently, they are of no interest to us.

  3. Symon Silver badge
    Big Brother

    There's a reflection in the screen.

    Enhance! The deus ex machina of crime drama...

    https://youtu.be/LhF_56SxrGk

    1. elkster88
      Pint

      Re: There's a reflection in the screen.

      I regret that I have only one upvote to give (and of course an obligatory virtual pint, hence the icon).

    2. Dan 55 Silver badge

      Re: There's a reflection in the screen.

      The video needs to be updated to have Malkovich's reply in Space Force at the end.

      "No... it doesn't work like that. You can't make new information from nothing."

      1. 9Rune5 Silver badge

        Re: There's a reflection in the screen.

        @Dan 55, I just spent the last ten minutes trying to find that scene on youtube. Brilliant. (the TV show was brilliant -- my youtube search skills much less so)

        1. Dan 55 Silver badge

          Re: There's a reflection in the screen.

          I tried to find it but I gave up. Obviously Malkovich's delivery is far better than my half-remembered text. Episode 6 if IIRC though.

      2. John Brown (no body) Silver badge

        Re: There's a reflection in the screen.

        "No... it doesn't work like that. You can't make new information from nothing."

        Of course you can. Any politician or middle manager do that on a daily basis.

    3. Version 1.0 Silver badge

      Re: There's a reflection in the screen.

      All scenes inspired by Blade Runner - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5-7iJPwrsw0

  4. PTW

    I'm more interested in the source

    Is it pronounced like Two Door, or a very modern ToDoer, ToDo'r?

    1. Pascal Monett Silver badge
      Coat

      Re: I'm more interested in the source

      It's Hodor, but with a T

      1. Neil Barnes Silver badge

        Re: I'm more interested in the source

        THodor?

    2. Anonymous Coward
      Anonymous Coward

      Re: I'm more interested in the source

      He has a brother, Fordor.

      1. John Brown (no body) Silver badge

        Re: I'm more interested in the source

        And his sister, Cabriolet, the topless dancer.

        1. STOP_FORTH Silver badge

          Re: I'm more interested in the source

          He has a cousin in Notre Dame called Hatchback.

  5. Phil O'Sophical Silver badge
    Coat

    Meaning the screen could be showing a wiping of footprints or a hack aimed at disrupting London's well-oiled transport system.

    Or the bus driver was keeping his porn stash there, to while away those long hours stuck in traffic?

  6. Maximum Delfango

    It's where the government keeps their Brexit and Covid plans...

    They were told a mobile backup site would be terrorist-proof.

    1. Flocke Kroes Silver badge

      Re: It's where the government keeps their Brexit and Covid plans...

      Alright, but what is in the other 21,998 files?

      1. Maximum Delfango
        Happy

        Re: It's where the government keeps their Brexit and Covid plans...

        Backups, of course!

        1. Anonymous Coward
          Anonymous Coward

          Re: It's where the government keeps their Brexit and Covid plans...

          backups indeed, all the way down...

          1. Tom 7 Silver badge

            Re: It's where the government keeps their Brexit and Covid plans...

            Cos even Turtle is too advanced for this Govmt.

      2. Stuart Castle Silver badge

        Re: It's where the government keeps their Brexit and Covid plans...

        re: Alright, but what is in the other 21,998 files?

        They are all different versions of the same plans that Boris has come up with to try and curry votes.

  7. wegie

    What's it hiding?

    Given that it's the bloody 65, the least punctual bus in London, it's hiding that it's half an hour late and is going to kick everybody out at Ham Common.

  8. NightFox
    Headmaster

    Let's not overlook the crime of use of the double exclamation mark.

  9. Billa Bong
    Coat

    Market Leader in File Transfer missed stop by mass deletion

    Fixed your title for you.

    Or I could go with a "Data bus" example...

  10. Anonymous Coward
    Anonymous Coward

    the hoodie-wearing individual

    with his feet up, like a good boy he (?) is while having dinner with his (?) old ma & pa. When I see this, I always have this image of a Texan chain massacre... it calms me (somewhat).

  11. hmmmhmmm

    Encrypted video files

    All the video files are stored encrypted as per TfL spec, and it's normal for such systems to store lots of small files in case of power failure (drivers regularly power cycle the buses to remove fault warnings).

    Although much of the CCTV retrieval is now done over WiFi when the bus gets to the garage, in 2016 most retrieval would involve physically removing the hard drive and replacing with another. When the files are pulled from the drive by the CCTV/accident person, the hard drive just gets put aside until it gets swapped with another when CCTV from another bus is requested. I would expect these are just video files and log files with the wrong key and are therefore unreadable or "illegal" in the context of that individual bus.

    1. sictransit
      Mushroom

      Re: Encrypted video files

      "It is important to understand that the X200 file system is a subset of the PC FAT32 file system..."

      1. Dan 55 Silver badge

        Re: Encrypted video files

        Struggling to think of how FAT could be any simpler so you could have a subset of it but it would still be recognisable as a filesystem. 4.1 filenames?

        1. John Brown (no body) Silver badge

          Re: Encrypted video files

          A subset of FAT32? Maybe a version of FAT16 or FAT12? Something optimised for CCTV constant recording?

  12. Ken Moorhouse Silver badge

    Were they the result of Spam?

    If so, you can't have them on a bus that travels through Ham.

    1. David 132 Silver badge
      Thumb Up

      Re: Were they the result of Spam?

      Ok, that prompted a Rye chuckle from me.

      1. Stoneshop Silver badge

        Re: Were they the result of Spam?

        Cheesy, cheesy.

  13. Kevin McMurtrie Silver badge

    22000

    A moderately sized number hinting at the possibility of a 32 bit bus.

  14. John Smith 19 Gold badge
    Coat

    Hmmm. London busses as mobile backup vaults.

    I think we've found a plot device for the next Laundry novel.

  15. steviebuk Silver badge

    Ah the 65 bus

    The very bus I used to go to Kingston uni on in 1999. The whole route. From Ealing Broadway to Kingston. Would then wait outside Waterstones in Kingston waiting to go home, struggling not to fall asleep on the route. Was also the reason I was late for programming lectures each week, because they'd start at 9 and bus would take an hour to get there. I'd also come to realise, I no longer wanted to do programming.

    Went recently after not having been there for 17 years. Just went shopping, had to look on the map to find out where I used to wait for the bus. Apparently the Waterstones is moving.

    Of no interest to anyone but me but thought I'd air this info anyway :)

    1. Ken Moorhouse Silver badge

      Re: Apparently the Waterstones is moving.

      Cunning marketing ploy by Waterstones: Open a shop right by a bus stop well-known for long wait times. It's moving is it? The bus service must have improved.

      1. steviebuk Silver badge

        Re: Apparently the Waterstones is moving.

        I never seemed to have much of a wait for the 65 from what I remember. So much so, and before smartphones to keep me busy. If the first 65 was too busy, I'd wait for the next one. One day I was glad I did. Because I'd sit upstairs at the front. That way I could see all the traffic and see how many were at the next stop so would then know how long you'd be waiting at each stop. Anyway. This one day I waited for the 2nd 65 as first was too packed. It arrived, I got my favourite seat. We got around the one way system heading out of Kingston only to pass the bus I skipped. It had stopped because, sadly, it had hit a school kid that ran out in front of it. I think the kid was alright. Was weird knowing I'd have seen the whole thing if I'd taken that first bus.

  16. Loud Speaker

    I missed the popup ...

    "Please wait while Windows deletes your valuable documents"

  17. 9Rune5 Silver badge

    What OS use two exclamation marks?

    Looks more like a phishing attack of some sorts?

  18. steviebuk Silver badge

    As we're talking about buses

    I'm hoping someone else remembers this. I've looked all over the Internet and asked on a bus enthusiasts forum but can't find any photos.

    Back in the 80s. Probably early 80s, in London the double deckers for some reason would only allow you to get on and off the bus at same door. So from what I remember, and I was only about 6 or 7 when used to catch it as was before my mum could drive, when you got on the base there was a partition down the centre so separate those getting on and off the bus. Anyone else remember this setup?

    Also from the 80s you'd pay the driver and he had a machine that had a shoot. When he'd click the till for your change, it would slide down the shoot into the tray. I can't find any references to any of this online and wondering if its one of my recently created false memories I've been having?

    1. Stoneshop Silver badge
      Headmaster

      Re: As we're talking about buses

      Also from the 80s you'd pay the driver and he had a machine that had a shoot.

      Perhaps if you'd write it 'chute', your search might yield better results.

    2. John Brown (no body) Silver badge

      Re: As we're talking about buses

      "Also from the 80s you'd pay the driver and he had a machine that had a shoot. When he'd click the till for your change, it would slide down the shoot into the tray. I can't find any references to any of this online and wondering if its one of my recently created false memories I've been having?"

      We got those on buses run by Tyne & Wear PTE when they went single manned. Not all buses had them and they didn't last long as I recall. They were behind the driver, the idea being that he just took your money then you moved past him to collect your ticket and change while he dealt with the next passenger. I suspect jammed ticket dispensers/printers and/or coin slots caused more delays than the slight boarding speed-up removed. Also chute not shoot.

      Edit: Argh, ninja'd re. shoot

  19. cosymart
    Joke

    Too Busy

    Still looking for the "Any Key" The old ones are best :-)

  20. theunregistered

    Look carefully at the reflection. Just at the bottom centre, left slightly you'll see...Fuck all!, because this is simply all there is to see here

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