Franco-German cloud framework floated to protect European's data from foreign tech firms slurpage The Economy Ministers of Germany and France, Peter Altmaier and Bruno Le Maire, held a media event on Thursday to talk up GAIA-X, an EU data infrastructure initiative aiming to take on Silicon Valley and Chinese behemoths to protect data. "We are wholeheartedly convinced that the final success of this digital moonshot will be …
Given the attacks against press and medics in Minneapolis–St Paul. Medic tent attacked with rubber bullets, police slashing car tyres, police confiscating camera equipment and press ID badges and then arresting press men.
We know this because we have access to video on Youtube and twitter.
https://www.motherjones.com/anti-racism-police-protest/2020/06/videos-show-cops-slashing-car-tires-at-protests-in-minneapolis/
YouTube and Facebook AS A MATTER OF URGENCY should move their data to Europe and the control over that data to their European staff.
If they're attacking press, then they're trying to create a false narrative. And Youtube and Facebook will be next, because the video footage undermines that false narrative.
You see Republican Senators claiming the troops should shoot and kill the protestors? Do you think they're joking? They are definitely not joking.
What stops this situation going south quickly is not Trump, or Barr, or laws that Barr won't obey, ITS THE VIDEO EVIDENCE.
You will see telecoms companies used to block Internet access in protest areas. When you see that, video everything that happens, swap out and hide SD cards and backups, try to get copies of the video out of the control area on physical media.
Republicans gave Barr powers to monitor all internet connections very recently, so he'll be spying on press and politicians. Beware the US based cloud service you use has Barr controlled FBI on the other end journalists! Find and use European or non-US based services, journos! (Qwant for searches! All US based search engines are Barr compromized)
https://www.thedailybeast.com/mitch-mcconnell-moves-to-expand-bill-barrs-surveillance-powers
"“Under the McConnell amendment, Barr gets to look through the web browsing history of any American—including journalists, politicians, and political rivals—without a warrant, just by saying it is relevant to an investigation,”
I came here to say the same thing!
There was thousands of sites that had been hacked to include some hex-filled script that took mobile browsers to free gift card scams, fake virus warnings and dubious app downloads that were all being hosted from OVH France.
Doing a quick web search for similar scams pulled up this aqrticle about browser lockers that also mentions AS16276:
https://www.redpacketsecurity.com/woof-locker-unmasking-the-browser-locker-behind-a-stealthy-tech-support-scam-operation/
Here maps is a big European success.
I've never heard of Qwant before this article, but "Lindsey Graham Gay" pulls up articles from 2010 which does not seem very timely. Their crawl could be improved!
Their maps and video sections is really nice. Their engine is heavily censored though. No porn.
Interesting.
Yeh, I've just switch to Qwant from duckduckgo too. It looks good.
Yandex is my goto for porn anyway. It's a compromise I'll live with for the moment.
None of them really work, "lindsey Graham rent boy" searches, on Qwant pulls up a spam site. Duckduckgo pulls up the same site. Google does not show the spam site, but does pull up an 'voices' (maybe comment spam) article related to the topic on Washingtonpost.
None of them really pull up the article I was expecting to see, the recent male prostitute allegations against Lindsey Graham. They do pull up a lot of older claims, I didn't know about.
They're all a bit 'meh'.
"Their engine is heavily censored though. No porn."
So, about half the internet blocked from being indexed. That should speed up the search and improve the relevance of results significantly. Unless it's porn you are looking for. It'd probably be lightning fast if they could block all the kitten sites from the index too :-)
"Their engine is heavily censored though."
Just tried it. I'm having a few issues since I pulled my SSD from the old laptop and put it in the new one. FreeBSD + Intel gfx drivers not quite right. Entered "freebsd intel graphics" into Qwant. No results in "web". Trimmed down to just "freebsd". Still no results at all in the Web section. I don't think it's going to be my default search engine anytime soon.
(If anyone is interested, and waaay off topic, the old Tosh laptop failed and I moved the SSD "as is" into a newer Tosh laptop. Everything just worked after telling the OS the name of the newly detected ethernet hardware but some GFX acceleration is not working and causes the apps trying to use the features to seg fault, but it's still a far more successful move than for the Windows partition.)
Assuming that the EU finally settle on a design and a location; and that could be many expensive years away, how are they going to build it without hardware from non-EU countries. China, America and Taiwan are already major suppliers of the essential chips and components. India is joining the supplier party too.
It is a typical EU project that it attempting to create an EU monopoly. And, like the failed EU patent project, it will just burn Euros and time with no final result. That said, there will be lots of consultancy fees and expenses in the trough.....
It's no secret Huawei benefits from subsides from the Chinese government as part of 2025 plan to be a global tech leader. If you are going down the sovereignty route you may as well help EU hardware makers be at least competitive with cheaper foreign gear so GAIA X benefits them as well.
Of course all the back end software to run this needs to be licensed or developed.
They build it with the help of some US based consultancy company like Booze Allen and Hamilton and SSL certificates supplied by an US based company all communicating using US designed and Chinese build networking equipment. The SAN's they use have a direct call home to their US based manufacturers.
It will be very successful since it is going to cost 5 times more than AWS, because Merkel wants the data centers to be powered by windmills so it is CO2 neutral.
> Cooperation with allies is a far better way
Nah, sucking the marrow out of the allies' bones is far more profitable. When they're finished you throw them away and choose new ones to exploit: There is a long list of politicians who would like US help to stay in business, in exchange of whatever valuables their country might have.
(sarcasm)
It's not really bullying. It say U.S companies must produce any relevant data they hold when presented a warrant even if that data is held outside the U.S. In order to issue a warrant the target(s), for whom the data is being sought, have to have sufficient connection with the U.S to establish jurisdiction. It's basically the U.S formerly claiming data under it's jurisdiction even if it eventually gets scattered all over the world.
If the U.S wants data on foreign people it has no jurisdiction over it's either going to use law enforcement assistance treaties or it's going to do so under the guise of foreign intelligence. If you are worried about U.S access the Cloud Act isn't what you need to focus on. Long standing broad foreign intelligence powers however...
I'm sorry, but you don't seem to realize the true extent of the Cloud Act.
It means that a US judge can force a US company to turn over any data it has on anyone, irrespective of where that data is held and who the person is, as long as the server is managed by said US company.
There isn't even a need for a warrant. The judge says "jump", and the company can only say "how high ?".
There is nothing in the Cloud Act the relieves the U.S government of it's need to get a warrant or subpoena. In the case of executive agreements, access is according to each countries own domestic procedures and prohibits both U.S and any country it has agreement with from using the agreement to target each other citizens or those of other countries.
Besides if they wanted to go on a fishing expeditions through the data of people outside the U.S they have the FISA court and much loser requirements. It's orders are classified and there is a lengthy procedure for those served if they want to even reveal the existence of an order.
Having a second or third technological power would actually benefit trade, not harm it. This is not an us versus them matter, it is about providing balance and a degree of mutual non-dependence.
As a bonus, it would also open a competitive space addressing the various markets targeted by the sanctions the US so liberally puts in place, which would make unilateral action less attractive and therefore promote negotiation, hopefully making it less common for a certain actor to barge in like a drunk elephant in a china shop.
If we have a better balance, we all win.
This seems to be designed to benefit France and Germany. The other 25 will get crumbs.
France have clearly insisted that this must be based in a French speaking country (Belgium) as they did when setting up Brussels + Strasbourg as headquarters of the EEC/EC/EU.
I can't see Poland being given a look-in but they'll be forced to comply and to pay.
"I can't see Poland being given a look-in".
Why would anybody been given a look-in. Either you take part or you don't, there are lots of projects within the EU where some countries take part and others don't.
But allow me to smile at the "pay" in relation to Poland.
Poland is like Britain when Britain joined the EU, the economy was then below that of Italy and Britain received help from countries like France, Germany and Italy in the hope the country would rise and become a new net contributor, which also happened and there is that same hope regarding Poland too today.
…but the truth of the matter is that the EU's way of doing things is not a great fit for the problem at hand. Think sending in an army when what you need is a guerrilla war.
If you can stop every successful startup founder from having to sod off to the States to get their projects funded, half the race is won.
Is it doable in theory? Sure, given enough time and money any company (or, for that matter, many ElReg denizens) can build their own cloud with access and query restrictions.
Should they try? Why not, it's only government money and to the extent that the money goes to EU companies and citizens it can be considered as a stimulus package.
Can the EU, accomplish it? Maybe. This is t big question; their track record is not the best.
But the name needs to be changed. I suggest EuroCloud.
Hearing ‘GAIA’ makes me cringe. It is not only a European attempt but an attempt to rule the World. This is not something unintentionally as if they didn’t know that GAIA means Earth (mother). Minister Altmaier is explicitly comparing it to GDRP which he sees as an example the world has to follow.
You are mistaken. The name is not an acronym. The project Initiators chose a name. Then they thought about an acronym but decided against. Here is some information
https://www.cloudcomputing-insider.de/was-ist-das-projekt-gaia-x-a-881800/
“Der Projektname GAIA-X bezieht sich auf die griechische Erdgöttin. Dem Vernehmen nach haben die Projektgründer zunächst über ein entsprechendes Akronym nachgedacht, Begriffe wie „General Artificial Intelligence Architecture“ schließlich jedoch verworfen.”
Google translate gives:
“ The project name GAIA-X refers to the Greek earth goddess. According to reports, the project founders initially thought about an appropriate acronym, but finally rejected terms such as "General Artificial Intelligence Architecture".”
I do not think it is worth to spend too much energy on this one. So far this project has produced a lot of documents without too much content. Without massive funding it will not make an impact.
So I completely understand the ‘Bingo’ comparison.
Gaia is also used for different projects like ESA’s Global Astrometric Interferometer for Astrophysics.
There clearly the acronym was chosen later. This spacecraft is looking at the Milky Way.
Here I looked at the statements of the politicians and why they chose a project name.
He left Finland in 1997 so was only an EU resident for less than 2 years (Finland joined the EU in 1995). He's a US citizen and has been for 10 years now. I'm not sure the EU can lay much claim to Linus as an OS dev.
On the other hand, there are a lot of devs in the EU working on all sorts of stuff, some of which are OS projects.
They seem to have also forgotten the other plucky ones: Symbian and SailfishOS. Though, yes, to be fair... Europe does come up with good tech, they just appear to lack the multinational take-over-the-world drive/ambition which the US startups have as Gene 0. Also, Europe can't market/hype itself out of a wet paper bag which makes it hard to compete with any US company where PR/marketing appears to be second nature.
What would be great is if Gaia-X styled itself on the GSMA, i.e. provide the broad technical standards and such that would allow smaller/niche players to build compatible offerings, e.g. a small company might specialise in niche compute offerings like FPGA/GPU/OpenCL/etc. And if the platform allows accounts, services, data to be truly portable, think SIM-card, mobile number portability, "roaming" and single-bill, they could be onto something.
Isn't he a US citizen now. However large open source projects aren't the product of single countries. Developers are world-wide.
Amongst Linux distros there's SuSE which seems to have done the rounds: originally German, bought by Novell (US) then AttachMate (US), then MicroFocus (UK) then Blitz GmbH (German again) a subsidiary of EQT partners (head office Sweden).
Document Foundation (LibreOffice) and NextCloud are also based in Germany.
Quant publish a browser extension for Firefox which claims to add thier search engine, which it does, but it also acts like malware and takes over your browser. It changes your home page, prevents you changing it back without removing the extension and takes control of tracking protection. Installing Quant REDUCED my privacy by turning off some of Firefox's built in tracking protection. There is no need for this behaviour just to add a search engine, avoid this malware!
It would be helpful if you provided a link to the add-on that you are talking about. A quick search suggests that there are a large number of Qwant (not Quant!) related add-ons, not all of which are by Qwant.
Quite aside from this, there is zero need to use an add-on, just visit https://qwant.com/ (or whichever other site) and add the site to your search preferences via the OpenSearch mechanism.
You mean this one:
https://addons.mozilla.org/en-US/firefox/addon/qwantcom-for-firefox/?src=search
Description: "Qwant is the European search engine that does not track you. This extension makes Qwant your default search engine and homepage as well as allowing you to easily extend Firefox Tracking Protection to the whole Web."
And you're saying it set Qwant as the default search engine, set the homepage to Qwant and change the tracking protection to its own?
So it does exactly what it says it does???
@"There is no need for this behaviour just to add a search engine, avoid this malware!"
Agreed true, goto Qwant.com, click on the search bar and click "add qwant to search engines". You don't need to have their home page and tracking protection.
Playing with Qwant maps, I would much prefer them to use Here maps (maps.here.com). I wonder if they can cross license? Here maps has better points of interest data, better satellite maps and better detail display.
I have to say I've only played with it for a couple of days, but it does seem impressive. But the maps though, full of the same bad choices Google made. Google stripped off as much details as possible in their maps, the resulting map is totally f*ing useless for finding anything, but it is very aesthetic pleasing as a piece of artwork.
Both openstreetmaps and maps.Here.com make a more usable map.
> I have to say I've only played with it for a couple of days, but it does seem impressive. But the maps though, full of the same bad choices Google made.
Minus one: Unlike Google's, Qwant Maps is open source. If you don't like it, change it!
Interestingly, I learned the other day that the name of their front-end application is not Austro-Bavarian for "potato" (which I admit confused me), but something else entirely.
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