back to article British Army pulls up its SOC: New regiment to do infosec work even civvies will recognise

The British Army has raised a new regiment that will take charge of its in-house security operations centre, a move calculated to make cyber defence a more mainstream part of all things armed and camouflaged. The 250-strong 13th Signal Regiment was formally "stood up"* on 1 June at Blandford Forum, the Dorset HQ of the Royal …

  1. Anonymous Coward
    Anonymous Coward

    Bullshit!

    If you think having your data violated is equal to having your body violated ... the your really doing a disservice to people who have been physically violated and you should be ashamed of yourselves.

    1. Anonymous Coward
      Anonymous Coward

      Re: Bullshit!

      I take it that's in response to Defence secretary Ben Wallace making a dick of himself by saying:

      "Cyber-attacks are every bit as deadly as those faced on the physical battlefield..."

      Probably written by someone other than him but that won't stop an angry RSM from giving him a demonstration:

      "Sir, if you could hand me your phone. We're going to simulate a cyber attack by stamping on it..."

      "Don't worry, all backed up daily", Ben lied.

      "...and then we're going to shoot you in the stomach".

      I know that's not funny but neither is a clueless defence secretary.

      1. amanfromMars 1 Silver badge

        The Greater Tragedy is Unfortunately Not Greek in the UKGBNI

        I know that's not funny but neither is a clueless defence secretary. ..... Anonymous Coward

        It's not funny either that they are stood up by and serve at the pleasure of a then equally clueless wannabe prime minister or president ....... although there is nothing at all in such a move to not suggest such a leadership then may have no clueless equal and the boss themselves be a right exceptional prima donna.

        Such doesn't bode well for a bright future in times and spaces dealing with emergency situations because of a hitherto unknown virile enemy ......with devastating non-discriminatory bugs.

        Are Ministry of Defence Joint Intelligence Chiefs responsible for defence and attack in those realms or are they tasked with them by servants of the private sector who sought election to offices which only survive dependent upon the uninterrupted flow of public taxation and the continued ignorance of populations......... for the lifelines of quantitive easings [vast mountains of freshly invented fiat currency ] are counter-productive and revealing of too much to the masses?

        All in all, to sum it up in a few choice words most everybody anywhere can surely understand ....... 'Tis Yet Another Right Royal Rolls Royce of a Systemic FCUK Up ‽

      2. Anonymous Coward
        Anonymous Coward

        Re: Bullshit!

        A cyber attack on your Battlefield Comms system would make the troops in the field very, very vunerable. The RSM (shudder, I felt the wrath of one myself) in your example would feel a but lost without orders coming from above.

        I've seen the Royal Signals in action in Germany when we were field testing the original Wavell System in 1978.

        The Signals people were the most clued up people we worked with unlike the numpties who made up most of the Intelligence Officers. They were very willing to accept new technology if they could see it making their job better.

        1. amanfromMars 1 Silver badge

          Re: Bullshit!

          The Signals people were the most clued up people we worked with unlike the numpties who made up most of the Intelligence Officers. They were very willing to accept new technology if they could see it making their job better. .... Anonymous Coward

          Now that is excellent news, AC. And most encouraging.

          Are they already amongst us all here on El Reg servers? Would posts in comments reveal their missions?

          It's impossible to not say No and Yes to such questions. Although of course, YMMV.

          Crikey, that would make El Reg a Vitalising Virtual Cog in a Novel Advanced IntelAIgent Infrastructure Program/Pogrom/Project/Passion.

          :-) What's not to like and love?

      3. Anonymous Coward
        Anonymous Coward

        Re: Bullshit!

        How about, instead of breaking his phone, you simulate a cyber attack by giving different targeting information to a drone and compare the effect with a bullet?

  2. Anonymous Coward
    Anonymous Coward

    How soon

    before e-Peterloo ?

  3. Anonymous Coward
    Anonymous Coward

    Political Correctness....or is it Hypocrisy?

    Quote: "...make cyber defence ... more mainstream..."

    *

    Ah......don't you love the politically correct language? Of course it's about "defence"!! No possibility at all that it could be about "attack" or "war", is there?

    *

    Once upon a time, and not so long ago, things were more honest.....when we had a "Ministry of War". But that sort of thing today is strictly for others....our "allies" or our "enemies"....of course we only do "defence" now!!!!

  4. john.jones.name
    Go

    sort out STIX and DNSSEC

    Can they please sort out DNSSEC deployment so that devices can actually verify the host names of what they are connecting to ?

  5. macjules Silver badge

    Kubernetes Training

    At last we can really know what a cluster**k is.

  6. Khaptain Silver badge

    Leet Hackers Corp

    In order to be successful at defense you also have to be good at attack. This would essentially require that the Army, train or employ quite a few Leet Hackorz...

    I wonder how they will go about that ?

    1. amanfromMars 1 Silver badge

      Re: Leet Hackers Corp

      In order to be successful at defense you also have to be good at attack. This would essentially require that the Army, train or employ quite a few Leet Hackorz...

      I wonder how they will go about that ? ..... Khaptain

      Quite so, Khaptain, but that aint gonna happen with Colonel Blimp types at the Controls of Command.

      Many/Some/A few would tell you in confidence and/or in secret what is truly needed are the likes of David Stirling/Robert Blair Mayne type Operands ...... Friendly Renegade Rogue Ruffians and Almighty Private Pirates into Creating CHAOS and Disruptive Conflict in the Midst of Markets Dealing Madness and Mayhem.

      1. amanfromMars 1 Silver badge

        Re: Leet Hackers Corp

        In order to be successful at defense you also have to be good at attack. This would essentially require that the Army, train or employ quite a few Leet Hackorz... ....... Khaptain

        Actually, it is nowhere near being quite so simple, Khaptain, for in order to be effective and successful in either cyber defence or virtual attack, a few Leet Hackorz are needed to train and employ MOD forces and sources, and that is problematical for Ministries and Departments of Defence and Defense ........ for defending the indefensible in support of the maintenance and retention of a status quo perversion and protection of the inequitable is never ever an interesting and thoroughly rewarding goal for anyone/anything used to exercising intelligence and being used intelligently.

        So ....... despite any initial euphoria which might accompany such a development as the standing up of a 250-strong 13th Signal Regiment to be more active with proactivity in sensitive combative communications fields, they are destined and guaranteed to suffer constant defeat doing battle with a relatively anonymous phantom-like enemy of their own invention, whenever such as is revealed above is their Prime Directive and Overarching Mission.

        However ..... a simple fundamental change in Prime Directive and Overarching Mission radically changes the guaranteed outcome with novel results.

    2. Steve Davies 3 Silver badge

      Re: Leet Hackers Corp

      Post them to GCHQ. Problem solved.

      1. amanfromMars 1 Silver badge

        Re: Leet Hackers Corp

        Post them to GCHQ. Problem solved. ..... Steve Davies 3

        I'm much more comfortable in the thought that GCHQ has that problem well solved already some time ago ..... allowing them to stay ahead of the future curves and in somewhat of a leading position.

        It would be very remiss of them not to have expected such alternative interests as essential for the exercising of future remote virtual command and control programs presenting Novel AI Reality Projects.

        Are GCHQ responsible and accountable for Assisting or Resisting Engagement and Exercise of such Fine Prime Assets ....... or even unbelievably totally disinterested ‽

    3. EnviableOne Silver badge

      Re: Leet Hackers Corp

      FTFY: 4r/\/\Y 1337 h4x0r5 ; DROP TABLE exploits

  7. Chris G Silver badge

    All I can say is that I hope the new regiment is raised by other than the old tried and true(?) methods.

    " You there! That man! Is that a computer thingy you have there?"

    "Yessir"

    " Right, pack yer bags sonny, your moving to a new billet in a new regiment"

    "FFS! Okay sir".

  8. Chris the bean counter Bronze badge

    Territorials

    This regiment could really benefit from having additional territorial regiments.

    Many civvies have immense hacking talents and would like to give back something.

    Also and believe me or not I am being serious, many geeks who may not be the most macho, would love a pic of them in uniform to impress their family (and discretely on dating sites), even if the only time they wore the uniform was for the picture. Maybe a uniform with some sci fi touches.

    1. John Brown (no body) Silver badge

      Re: Territorials

      There are TA Sigs, so it's not a stretch to see that happening.

    2. Anonymous Coward
      Anonymous Coward

      Re: Territorials

      There are already Territorial (Volunteer units now) Cyber and INFOSEC units, and have been for a while, they likely get pretty pissed off at every "new thing" when they've existed for yonks.

  9. Anonymous Coward
    Anonymous Coward

    FFS

    Yeah the "well-known shortage of skilled infosec personnel in the Army", except they keep recruiting them then don't use them for anything, or worse, post them out to a RADAR Det to "broaden their training".

    It's also worth noting that there's been an infosec reserve in place for over 20 years, but it's embarrasing having to use the reserve all the time so they don't.

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