back to article As the US maybe gets serious about coronavirus-tracking apps, Congress wakes up to the privacy risks

A bi-partisan group of US senators are preparing a new bill that would ensure privacy protections in coronavirus tracking apps, as legislative interest grows in what contact-tracing will entail. The “Exposure Notification Privacy Act” is designed to make sure that the vast quantities of data that are expected to be generated …

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    1. Anonymous Coward
      Anonymous Coward

      First they came for the anti-fascists

      So, if you're anti-fascist, then the anti-anti-fascists say you're a Terrorist ?

      1. Anonymous Coward
        Anonymous Coward

        Re: First they came for the anti-fascists

        It's a branding, a label created by Breitbart just after Trump got elected.

        The whole "antifa is short for anti-fascist" claim is just so the Tuckers of the world can pretend one minute to be using it as an abbreviation, the next as the name of a terrorist group.

        It's a trap.

        It has no real abbreviation quality about it.

        You: "anti-fascist = good"

        Tucker: "so you're saying antifa = good"

        Tucker: "Antifa killed a cop (in this article where I labelled a cop-killer as Antifa)"

        Tucker: so you're saying "cop-killer = good"

        One minute he's using 'antifa' as if its an abbreviation for 'anti-fascist" the next he's using 'Antifa' as if its a label of a defined group. A label that he gets to stamp on anything he wants. Switching between the two meanings freely.

        If there was one video you should watch from my comment, its the Vox video with all its quotes from Tucker Carlson as he admits how phony he is and how his aim is to protect the people in castle by manipulating the peasants in the village below (yeh literally he sees his viewers as peasants):

        Republicans need to stop being the manipulated peasants.

        1. Anonymous Coward
          Anonymous Coward

          Here, see this Nazi group from Twitter

          "A Twitter account that tweeted a call to violence and claimed to be representing the position of "Antifa" was in fact created by a known white supremacist group, Twitter said Monday. The company removed the account. "

          A right-wing Nazi group pretending to be 'Antifa'. This Nazi group called 'Identity Evropa'.

          You see how rank-and-file Nazi's understand that "Antifa" is defined by *them*. That's literally what they were caught doing here by Twitter, defining an Antifa agenda for Trump to push back against.

          Antifa is run by the Nazis!

          Tucker Carlson and Fox News also understand that "Antifa" is a label they apply, because they do it switching between the two meanings freely. They understand its a Nazi defined group too.

          So who exactly is fooled? Are Fox News viewers really fooled? If the Nazi viewers among them are not fooled, how can the ordinary view be fooled?

          I don't think they are fooled, if you look at this Nazi group, they get a small number of followers. They are niche, they are not mainstream Republicans and not mainstream Conservative. They are the Trump Nazi fringe.

          History rhymes:

          "The term "Reichstag fire" has come to refer to false flag actions facilitated by an authority to promote their own interests through popular approval of retribution or retraction of civil rights. "

          This is where we are now. Nazi groups pretending to be 'Antifa', Trump declaring 'Antifa' as a terrorist organization and he calls in the army into cities around America. (i.e. his Nazi followers get to define who he uses the troops to shoot).

          A "Reichstag fire" but with the internet able to show you behind the curtain as it happens.

          1. Anonymous Coward
            Anonymous Coward

            Matt Gaetz Antifa

            (El reg, the next part of the coup moves quickly. Sorry, there's not a lot of tech-angle to it. Perhaps introduce a politics section??? Views are views after. )

            Trump supporting Republican Matt Gaetz, called for the extra-judicial killing of Americans. Twitter blocked his tweet behind a 'violence' warning:


            ""Now that we clearly see Antifa as terrorists, can we hunt them down like we do those in the Middle East?" Gaetz tweeted."

            Antifa is a false flag operation run by Trump supporters:


            * So, you have a false-flag group run by Trump supporters.

            * Trump supporter media, Fox News and Breitbart that labels people as members of that group.

            * Trump putting the army into cities.

            * And a Trump supporting Republican calling for that army to kill those people so labelled.

            Coups are not fun. I've lived through a few now.

            It must have seemed strange when I walked you through coup scenarios months ago. Yet here we are.

            It looks like they won't even wait till the election for the power grab. Which means we're talking days rather than weeks for the coup attempt.

            Things will move quickly, if elReg waits for the tech angle, you'll miss them!

            1. John Brown (no body) Silver badge

              Re: Matt Gaetz Antifa

              Is this all the same AC posting or more than one?

              1. Danny Boyd Bronze badge

                Re: Matt Gaetz Antifa

                Talking to himself.

  2. Chris G Silver badge

    Whether valid or not, take these opinions to a relevant thread and evangelise there.

    1. BenDwire Silver badge

      My sentiments exactly. I read until the word "Breitbart" and stopped right there.

  3. Version 1.0 Silver badge


    So they are talking about coronavirus tracking but not coronavirus testing? Most states in the US have rules that you can't be tested unless you have been with someone who has been tested and has been shown to have virus. But if you are just feeling sick then nothing happens unless it gets really bad. The president is very happy, America is leading the world again!

  4. Anonymous Coward
    Anonymous Coward

    "There is also the fact that many tech companies have become expert at taking whatever databases they can get hold of and find ways to tie them to their existing information sources."

    Just like a certain three letter governmental agency which will love all this location data.

    1. Anonymous Coward
      Black Helicopters

      Just one three-letter agency? You aren't using your imagination.

  5. Pascal Monett Silver badge

    Location data has no use for contact tracing

    You have an app that reveals who was in contact with who. That is what doctors need to know. Where it happened has no medical use whatsoever.

    Therefor, any contact tracing database that purports to include location data is just a PII grab and should be avoided.

    1. Drew Scriver Silver badge

      Re: Location data has no use for contact tracing

      Very good point, but I expect the trackers would argue that they also want to be able to warn people who have not been in direct contact but still shared the environment.

      If someone with COVID-19 has been in the produce department they could have sneezed all over the apples, for instance. Those apples could be purchased hours after the patient has left the store...

      1. gnasher729 Silver badge

        Re: Location data has no use for contact tracing

        The Apple / Google app will know _all_ the phones near to someone infected. The person themselves won’t know who they were close to in the pub, or on the train. So you can inform more people. And all that without people having to call those nearby - therefore no chance for scammers to make these calls.

        1. Drew Scriver Silver badge

          Re: Location data has no use for contact tracing

          Valid point, but tapping into existing tracking would mean the authorities would miss out on this perfect excuse to start tracking everyone themselves...

  6. Doctor Syntax Silver badge

    I hope they'll find time to have a word with their opposite numbers in the HoP.

  7. Nonymous Crowd Nerd

    Oh for the days when we could actually achieve something

    When I started out in this broad area of work, if someone could sensibly describe their requirement and the data involved, we could deliver a system that worked.

    Yet here we are with a contact tracing requirement that can be defined in a paragraph and the entire industry in the west, supposedly working together, has delivered nothing except endless discussion of privacy issues while real people are actually dying. And this literally months after the South Koreans have their app up and running.

    What if the virus was ten times more dangerous, or if it was seventy times more deadly for IT developers than it was for our parents rather than the other way around? What then? Would we still be watching people having this tortuous discussion until there was no one left to be discuss anything.

    1. gnasher729 Silver badge

      Re: Oh for the days when we could actually achieve something

      You say nothing has been produced other than discussions about privacy. Wrong. Several countries are having apps based on the Apple / google api in the AppStore and play store.

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