back to article Windows Terminal hits the big 1.0: Fit for production?

Microsoft celebrated this year's Build conference by emitting the first stable release of its new Windows Terminal and a getting-there incarnation of its handy set of PowerToys utilities. Both could easily be part of the core Windows build, but the fact they aren't (like Edge) means that the apps have enjoyed a rapid pace of …

  1. richardcox13
    WTF?

    > Windows Terminal hits the big 1.0: Fit for production?

    I know the answer to a question in a title should always be "no", in this case it is ready.

    Not seen a crash for months while using every day with lots of interaction (esp. with git).

  2. Rich 2 Silver badge

    A terminal program?

    Ok. I’m not a Windows person at all so I admit I might be missing something here. But...

    MS are making a fuss about a terminal program? In 2020? That’s about, errr... 60 years after it was pretty much nailed on Unix and VMS and just about every other OS of any significance.

    Wow!!!

    1. Anonymous Coward
      Anonymous Coward

      @Rich 2 - Re: A terminal program?

      Microsoft knows no other OS and wishes you too should do the same.

    2. rcxb Silver badge

      Re: A terminal program?

      Unix has only been around for 50 years now, and it certainly didn't have any terminal emulators at the time. Initial release of XTerm was 1984, 36 years ago. OpenVMS dates from 1977, 42 years ago.

      1. Rich 2 Silver badge

        Re: A terminal program?

        Oh well if it was only 42 years ago, and not 60, then that changes everything

    3. Alan Bourke

      Re: A terminal program?

      It's almost as if cmd.exe and latterly Powershell were perfectly fine for almost everyone with command line needs over all that time.

      1. logicalextreme Bronze badge

        Re: A terminal program?

        Fair point, I can drop into Bash or Python from either of them.

        1. Alan Bourke

          Re: A terminal program?

          If you want to be doing systems administration stuff in Python, knock yourself out.

          1. logicalextreme Bronze badge

            Re: A terminal program?

            :D I was being droll, of course; much as I hate Powershell it's great for sysadmin, when they've written cmdlets for the task at hand. If it's something that requires horrible WMIC commands and string parsing, I have been known to do it with Python in order to preserve my sanity.

    4. hmv Silver badge

      Re: A terminal program?

      To be fair they're replacing that bletcherous CMD.EXE, so it's hardly pointless. Seems quite nice although I don't have much call to use it (Windows lives in a VM).

      As to Unix/Linux "nailing" the terminal, well there are still those tinkering trying to improve it - xterm hasn't entirely stood still since it was released, and my own favourite (kitty) does graphics inline.

      1. Toe Knee

        Re: A terminal program?

        Thanks for mentioning Kitty, I'd never heard of it and look forward to installing it on my home machine this evening.

        1. Kubla Cant Silver badge

          Re: A terminal program?

          Intrigued, I searched for kitty. All I got was endless cat pictures. I suppose I should be glad it wasn't called pussy.

        2. logicalextreme Bronze badge

          Re: A terminal program?

          I just discovered it the other day after reading my hair out over line drawing characters in PuTTY, of all the things to get annoyed about. I believe it also supports code ligatures, which are one of my new favourite silly things.

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  3. Terry 6 Silver badge

    Those Windows users (me included) who never use the Start Menu and instead run apps by hitting the Windows key and just typing....

    Which is all fine and dandy if you can remember what the fucking programme is called. Fine for WORD, or EXCEL and others which have memorable names or are frequently used (In which case there'd be an icon anyway)

    But a bit of a bugger when the software is little used and has a stupid name. At which point you start to to need a customisable start menu that makes it easy to group programmes according to function. ( Doable in Win 10, but not simple).

    e.g. I have among other programmes; quick_any2icon.exe, three different pdf converters with similar names, Openshot video editor, Fairstars CD ripper, Freac,fsquirt, etc etc.

    And there's no way I'd find many of these by remembering their names. But in my Start menu I have folders labelled for Office programmes/Video programmes/Utilities /Graphics/music and so on.

    Which narrows down finding the stuff considerably.

    1. AndyMTB

      What you need is that Ubuntu thinggie - type "photo" and it suggests "shotwell" etc

      1. Terry 6 Silver badge

        Which is ok if the programme and its purpose are easily definable.

    2. hmv Silver badge

      Agreed.

      However I find that the programs I use the most frequently I /do/ remember the names of and "gooey-space, viv Return" is quite a bit quicker than trying to remember where the mouse is, activating the menu, and selecting the right option.

      It's nice to have both options.

      1. Terry 6 Silver badge

        Interesting,

        For me moving the mouse to the start menu or pressing the Win Key are automatic actions. Scrolling down my list of programme folders almost equally so.

        Or was, since the recent iteration of the Start Menu - which has presumably been redesigned by one of the same mind dead, cretinous, idiotic jellyfish who invented Win 8's "charms"*. Because it now exhibits similar stupid behaviour. Using it is like trying to grab a receding wave, as the list now suddenly vanishes from in front of you if you move a hair's breadth to the left.. May they suffer a thousand mosquito bites in their most sensitive body parts.

        *or those of you spared that curse. The charms were Windows controls hidden in various areas of the screen, like some kind of computer game. When needed they could only be found by randomly clicking around in the areas where they were hidden until, like the Genie, they'd suddenly appear. More often than not though they'd randomly appear suddenly, poof our of nowhere and obscure what you were doing, because the mouse had accidentally touched the invisible magic lamp. May the designers' reproductive organs be nibbled by mice.

        1. logicalextreme Bronze badge

          You're just annoyed because you missed out on the trophy you get when you find all 50 Charms.

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    3. logicalextreme Bronze badge

      [disambiguation needed]

      I'm just going to leave how my Start menu program search behaves as I type in the word terminal here:

      t: Snipping Tool

      te: Microsoft Teams

      ter: Windows Terminal

      term: Windows Terminal

      termi: Windows Terminal

      termin: Windows Terminal

      termina: Windows Terminal

      terminal: Command Prompt

    4. nsimic

      Or trying to find "SQL Server Management Studio" which actually responds to ssms (because thats what the exe is called)

      1. Terry 6 Silver badge

        That's also assuming you can remember precisely what the programme is called, even if you do remember that you have to use this acronym. Fine if it's a programme you use often enough to remember it.

        But not much help if you are trying to load "That thing I used to help sort out the server three months ago".

        And at least that one has a name that describes what it does. many of mine don't or it comes later in the name.

        There's a screen reader called "Balabolka" or some such name, (and I only recall that much because I just had a scan through my Start menu folders). Or there's "Greenshot" (my screenshot s/w of choice). Aabby Fine reader, .Belarc advisor, Reflect, VeraCrypt, Revo, Wise shutdown and so on.

      2. logicalextreme Bronze badge

        The good thing about SSMS is everybody calls it SSMS, so it's easy to just Win+R, ssms, Enter.

  4. The Oncoming Scorn Silver badge
    Pint

    Fine for WINWORD

    FTFY.

    1. logicalextreme Bronze badge

      I think they were talking about the Start menu dynamic search box rather than the "Run…" box, but have an upvote because I'm still typing pbrush after all these years (I've mercifully not had to open Word directly for about a decade).

  5. ST Silver badge
    Mushroom

    Oh Really. It's 2020 and Windows Terminal is at Release 1.0. Wow.

    How old is xterm? Let's see: Initial Release in 1984.

    OK, I think I made my point.

    1. Alan Bourke

      Re: Oh Really. It's 2020 and Windows Terminal is at Release 1.0. Wow.

      Could you fill us in as to what it is?

      1. ST Silver badge
        Happy

        Re: Oh Really. It's 2020 and Windows Terminal is at Release 1.0. Wow.

        > Could you fill us in as to what it is?

        xterm is a UNIX terminal emulator, developed at MIT along with the X Window System in the early 1980's. It is also available on Linux, the BSD's, and other UNIX derivatives.

        Mandatory quote of the times: Mr. Gorbachev, Tear Down This Wall!

        It is kind of just like Windows Terminal, only it's been around for 36 years, has less bugs, and it's been mostly superseded by newer terminal emulator programs that got their inspiration from it.

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          1. ST Silver badge
            FAIL

            Re: Oh Really. It's 2020 and Windows Terminal is at Release 1.0. Wow.

            > xterm is not a terminal emulator. It is a "linux console" emulator for the X-windows hooey-gooey.

            No, that is 100% incorrect, wrong, misinformed and ignorant.

            But, you had to post it.

  6. Roger Kynaston Bronze badge

    late to the party

    Others have pointed to xterm.

    I remember when my Windows colleagues were getting excited about 64bit Windows. We pointed out that we had been running 64bit Solaris for years. Then along came Linux and back to 32 bit at that point. Mind you the issues with applications getting confused with /lib and /lib64 was a right pain.

    1. ST Silver badge
      Devil

      Re: late to the party

      > [ ... ] applications getting confused with /lib and /lib64 was a right pain.

      And the old Solaris link editor - /usr/ccs/bin/ld - didn't help at all. It would happily accept 32-bit library paths -- i.e. /lib or /usr/lib -- when linking 64-bit shared libraries or executables. It would also happily write those paths in RUNPATH | RPATH.

      They finally deigned to fix it, but very late. For at least 12 years they insisted it was Not A Bug.

  7. chronicdashedgehog

    It's not really a terminal emulator is it? More of a shell wrapper

    1. Simon Harris Silver badge

      When I saw the name Windows Terminal, I was sure it was going to be an updated version of HyperTerminal that came with Windows 98.

      1. Strahd Ivarius Bronze badge
        Windows

        Already available in Windows 95...

  8. Tom Paine Silver badge
    Meh

    1993 called...

    The list of utilities has continued to grow, having begun with a slightly flaky FancyZones Windows manager and shortcut guide before growing to include File Explorer previewers and a Renaming tool.

    Wow. I can't wait. Such exciting new innovations.

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