Linux fans thrown a bone in one Windows 10 build while Peppa Pig may fly if another is ready in time for this year Microsoft emitted a fresh version of Windows 10 last night, featuring fun for Linux fans, as mutterings intensified over hardware delays. The Windows Insider faithful have had to wait a little while for the Fast Ring's build 19603 while the Windows team dealt with a blocking bug. However, for Linux developers running on …
The reason I install Linux on a computer is to avoid Windows.
(And judging by my wife's brand new Win10 laptop that remains the case. What a friggin mess! I'm still gobsmacked that there's no simple way to move her profile from the old machine to the new. Like the one built into an Apple!)
"USMT is intended for administrators who are performing large-scale automated deployments. If you are only migrating the user states of a few computers, you can use PCmover Express. PCmover Express is a tool created by Microsoft's partner, Laplink." from the Microsoft URL above.
USMT is not designed for home users and Laplink will try to upsell from the free to the Pro for $$.
However, for Linux developers running on Windows ...
Hmm ....
Linux developers running on Windows?
Now, why would a Linux developer want to run on Windows?
Ah ...
Not a real (*) Linux developer you say?
OK, now I get it.
(*) Real - /riːl/
adjective
1. actually existing as a thing or occurring in fact; not imagined or supposed.
2. (of a thing) not imitation or artificial; genuine.
O.
"Now, why would a Linux developer want to run on Windows?"
Perhaps he is missing the fun of searching for drivers on various dodgy 3rd party pages whenever he wants to use any hardware that the manufacturer cannot be bothered to support any more with Win10 drivers?
Or he is missing that nice "activation" feature?
And don't forget the blue screen! How can one live without blue screens!
Yes, I just had to set up a Windows PC because the school insists the kids have to learn Windows. I nearly forgot the hell of Windows driver S&D.
For Linux developers missing the blues teen there is, of course, xscreensaver.
Building it from source is considered a bit of a rite of passage.
Building it from source, and getting the full suite working, including the xscreensaver-demo is not easy ( until you've done it once)
Well, its because some software is only for Windows - and maybe MAC - so we who love Linux have to also use Windows. I am currently doing that on two computers.
It would be great if some edition of Linux offered a roburst built in capacity to host Windows and Windows apps but also offered very easy set up plus the ability to switch and copy and past. I understand that there are a couple of vm (including the best from Sun) but I was told that they are not as good as VMWare. I have used VMWare for different Windows and think that it is very good.
I understand that there are a couple of vm (including the best from Sun) but I was told that they are not as good as VMWare.
Virtualbox conveniently breaks every time you upgrade your Linux system.
KVM is quite nice, however. While not entirely dumb-user-friendly to set-up (switching your Linux system to br0 bridged networking and perhaps changing the disk image path), works quite nicely with a minimum of issue.
If you are writing software then you need a Windows machine to run your IDE on and Visual Studio only supports Windows. Linux users are stuck with "Visual Studio Code", and you're hardly a professional if you use free tools instead of paying for the full version!
Then of course you will want nice looking buttons so people will give you money for your creation, so you are also going to need a Windows system to run Photoshop... basically, any software development requires using multiple pieces of software that only support Windows!
Perhaps he is missing the fun of searching for drivers on various dodgy 3rd party pages whenever he wants to use any hardware that the manufacturer cannot be bothered to support...
Not sure (s)he would be missing that experience. That's pretty much the dictionary definition of "running Linux".
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Hell, I'm actively pondering a copy of 8.1 or Server 2012 R2 for my workstation when the install of 7 on it finally rolls over. (unless someone's figure out how to port full graphics capabilities through to a VM running on kvm or virtualbox or something.)
Unless you enjoy a default that breaks almost every single UI design principle and other than this is an inconsistent half-baked mess... I'd avoid anything with the Win8 UI (desktop and server) if at all possible. While it is possible to install NoStart (or others), this doesn't fix the entire mess that everything else is.
The Win8 UI makes the Win10 UI look well thought out and good.
Yes, but the 8.1 / Server 2012 R2 OS doesn't require constant contact with microsoft, a raft of telemetry problems that can't be turned off, and oh yeah, random updates that break stuff, random apps that just decide to roll over and die* with MS's tier 3 team's response being "oh, you'll need to do a full bare metal rebuild and hope it doesn't happen again", oh yeah, and forced updates/upgrades regardless if you like it or not.
I'll take the funky UI of 2012R2 / windows 8.1 over that any day, every day. the OS core is solid, reliable, and understood well enough that I can get around the stupid UI issues incurred by trying to overlay a mobile interface on a desktop machine.
What apps I do use are all 'classic/legacy' apps- none of that Metro crap.
* Seriously- the CALCULATOR app is a 'Modern' app, and in multiple cases at [RedactedCo], would randomly break for our users, with nothing short of a full bare metal re-image correcting it, which was Tier 3's response after a lot of troubleshooting with MS support... You know it's bad when the god level support tier can't figure out why one of their own apps (which should be a stupidly simple thing) decides to crap it's pants at random.
Since when did Linux fans care about Windows or Unix / Linux subsystems on them?
I looked at MS Unix offerings for NT4.0 in 1998 and instead ran dual boot with Red Hat Linux.
Now I just run Linux Mint.
Windows 7 was sort of OK, Win10 was horrible.
Even you have to run a business application that only works on Win10, a VM on Linux with Win7 or XP for that application is better. Use Linux for the Internet.
Also one reason for Mac / Windows used to be Adobe. But with Indesign being rent only at nearly $240 pa and rubbish now compared to alternates? Or twice as much on a month to month basis. Even serious Photoshop users now only use it if corporate rented.
Since when did Linux fans care about Windows or Unix / Linux subsystems on them?
Ever since the first time they were asked to help with a Windows box, and would REALLY have preferred to use their familiar tools to get things done instead of the god-awful Windows UI...
I'd sure be happier if open source backup tools worked flawlessly on Windows systems (though NOT just Windows 10 systems), and if it was easier to use Linux GUI apps on Windows to gradually wean Windows users off the burning platform entirely.
Anyone seriously had a look at WSL 2 recently.
I've been looking to see if it can replace having dual boot machines with Ubuntu 18_04 LTS and Win 10.
We have to run OpenFoam and it requires the sort of grunt Virtual Box is going to have issues with.
Also supporting Linux for people who have never heard of it but who need to use it for their PhDs is to say the least not fun.
So I have it installed and some simple benchmarks for simple file operations suggest WSL 2 is noticeably slower than WSL 1.
Have not looked since late 2018.
My fuzzy memory:
SSH multiplexed connections didn't work.
emacs displaying to X11 didn't work.
Disrupted Virtualbox.
Instead:
Chocolatey provides enough of a package manager.
'Git for Windows' provides a good enough bash prompt and Unix toolset.
Virtualbox + Vagrant provides low pain options for disposable VMs.
A two line batch file is enough to bootstrap Chocolatey and Git for Windows.
And that's enough to use a shell script to provision the rest.
And my rest includes IIS and Visual Studio 2013. We have a web based editor that requires IIS. And we have a key product component that only builds under VS2013.
And I connect to a Linux desktop VM in the server room for 90% of my development work.
It looks to me like a Microsoft is putting Linux paint-job on their RAM-hog slowfiletransfer namelenthissued Windows Bloatosaurus OS.
If Microsoft still isn't making it work better I'm not interested.
It would be interesting to find out how it ran if MS released Windows10 using a Unixy type kernal. I don't think Redmond would ever go that far. They can't do it.
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