Minister slams 5G coronavirus conspiracy theories as 'dangerous nonsense' after phone towers torched in UK UK Cabinet Office minister Michael Gove has used a daily briefing to slam those advancing baseless theories that 5G radios are in some way responsible for the coronavirus. Gove was on Saturday asked what he thought of such theories, especially in light of reports that vandals have torched cellular towers in Blighty – …
Just a quick heads up for anyone who thinks this is a conspiracy theory about a conspiracy theory I can assure you it is not. Where I work I have spoken to two separate people who actually believe this and when asked one of them said that the last two pandemics were caused by 3g and 4g. I asked them how the fuck we had mobile phones in 1918 but it seems they were talking about the pandemics that weren't actually pandemics even though the dates were way off. If you need to set someone straight I find the proposition that these frequencies were in use prior to take up by mobile communications to be quite a persuasive option.
Maybe this 5g rubbish has been created to identify gullible idiots by some Cambridge Analytical type company. Who knows? The truth is out there.
@werdsmith
mmWave technology has been and is being used today - but the application is quite specific. In fact, mmWave technology is used by mobile operators, too - for backhaul from mobile masts that don't have fibre. The links use highly focused 'pencil beams' and equipment is placed where there is no physical obstruction, as this would interrupt or degrade the transmission.
For example, V-band and E-band services in particular can be used to transmit data wirelessly at Gigabit speeds. What may surprise you is that links like this using compliant equipment only need to be registered with Ofcom (so they know where it has been deployed), but the actual deployment is not regulated (i.e. you don't need to ask for permission).
Still no health issue, however...
I blame E.T. (just because I have always wanted to use that icon)!
"Faecebook users. What does anyone expect?
It also seems to be religious types who believe things like this. Several populist church leaders are calling Covid-19 a hoax or a similar political fabrication. At least one has now died from the virus. A standard trope is also that their god is visiting this plague upon them as a penalty for allowing other people to "sin".
An apparently intelligent thirty-something UK neighbour denies evolution - because she is a Jehovah's Witness. She even give me a pamphlet they publish that she says will prove it to me.
Maybe this 5g rubbish has been created to identify gullible idiotshttps://newsthump.com/2020/04/05/5g-conspiracy-theories-all-part-of-secret-plot-by-the-government-to-identify-simpletons/
For those of us old enough to remember the rather fine 'Beiderbecke Tapes' (BBC aeons ago), a conclusion was that the leak about a nuclear dump in the Yorkshire Dales was a smokescreen to disguise something else. Fiction travels... of course, you have to have the odd belief that governments can maintain a conspiracy!
(was that someone on the dakr side I heard sniggering?)
There have been plenty of anti 3G/4G/5G campaigners for as long as I can remember now..
Browse YouTube for it, there's plenty of people sleeping in foil lined sleeping bags with a signal strength meter to confirm they are "safe" .
There have been some...vaguely plausible lab tests on rats, that may have highlighted something to do with 3G and heart nerve failure / cancer (with the suggestion the heart is quite sensitive to EM waves, not an appalling hypothesis), although frankly I didn't read the study properly and I'm not sure the results had been replicated, certainly not on humans AFAIK. For those tests I think they used max power 3G for 9 hours a day.
To be honest though, browse the YouTube videos, it's quite clear these people are fringe lunatics and/or quite gullible, some are stoned hippies, often trying to sell 4G signal detectors and similar crap.
If you want a 5G "conspiracy", I'm sure GCHQ will love the increased accuracy of 5G location tracking, but that's more to do with having more antennas.
> If you want a 5G "conspiracy", I'm sure GCHQ will love the increased accuracy of 5G location tracking, but that's more to do with having more antennas.
Also, 5G specs allow far more individual devices to connect to mast, making it suitable for swarms of connected sensors and gadgets (' Internet if Things). Older cellular protocols carried a large overhead for each connected device regardless of how little bandwidth it required.
Valid cancerns about the erosion of privacy due to 5G are what some highsreet anti-5G campaigners fell back on after I remonstrated with them last year. It's just cretinous that they use an argument with no merit as a back door to bring attention to a valid privacy issue - they're just muddying the waters and damaging by their association important issues (conversations about society and privacy, climate change etc) that actually do have evidence behind them.
Also, 5G specs allow far more individual devices to connect to mast, making it suitable for swarms of connected sensors and gadgets (' Internet if Things). Older cellular protocols carried a large overhead for each connected device regardless of how little bandwidth it required.
People are slowly waking up to the risks. First we had attempts to control and modify human behaviour via toxoplasmosis-
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Toxoplasmosis#Society_and_culture
Which although achieving widespread infections, failed to fully achieve the goals of providing a good host, ie provision of food, shelter and broadband connectivity. However, infection and behavioural modification had more success amongst radio network professionals, mainly due to the ability to utilise those radio networks for command and control. It is no coincidence that these are described as 'cell networks', supporting cellular communication and the further spread of memetic virii.
Toxoplasmosis is also known to increase risk-taking behaviour amongst the infected, however this is typically denied by CCP 'fact checkers'. It should however be unsuprising that cellular networks enable infected hosts to be controlled and directed by cellular devices. This has had some issues, such as the number of hosts and colonies lost due to inattention and interfacing with fast moving objects. This may be an artefact of using a cat vector, and an inherited behaviour.
As cellular networks have advanced however, additional features have been implemented that allow better host tracking and positioning via cellular protocols, and bi-directional transmission via carrier waves. Most importantly, features such as-
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dying_gasp
Provide colonies with an ability to signal an emergency, and potentially flee their host. 5G is simply a logical evolution in cellular and sub-cellular behaviour enabling wider transmission and communication. Typical hosts remain unaware of this manipulation thanks to successful misdirection efforts, notably IPv6 (Infection Protocol, Viral stage 6). Hosts are lead to believe that the billions of addresses are to support an 'Internet of Things', not realising the things are the ability to support hundreds of sub-netted colonies within a single host. Again it should be no suprise that this was championed by cellular networks.
Current events should also be no suprise given 'social distancing' provides protection to hosts, and demonstrates the sophistication of command and control capabilities of already infected hosts to direct behaviour of others for their own 'well being and safety'. Law enforcement hosts have been directed to locate and eliminate saboteurs so that 5G networks can continue deployment.
All of this should be obvious to any serious researcher given the preponderance of evidence from various beta programs and simulations such as 'The Sims', which allowed colonies to test various host behavious. There have also been various optimisations utilising host-generated systems. A notable example being the spread of 'apps' such as Instagram. This was named in honor of colonies of gram negative/positive pathogens that have managed to direct hosts to spread data. Some wonder why so many images are mundane/inane, but if you think at the bacterial/viral scale, these images allow vast quantities of data to be embedded via steganography. This also explains why cellular devices have consistently 'improved' image resolution and size so that colonies can more easily share the antics of their hosts.
It's all simple really..
It made me laugh hard in my parents village the same people who campaigned long and hard against tetra mast and thus a 3g base station as well, were the same demanding 4g coverage, and FTTC, guess there stupidity is only thwarted by there brats hitting puberty and being insufferable shits without social media or some other crap the kids like.
They all looked liked stunned cows when you point out that the WiFi and boosters they cant live without, led bulbs and microwaves all emit more EMR than being stood 50M away from a mast.
That or turning think of the children on its head, by going "yes i know, poor lambs depreived of internet and forced to slum it on the slow tubes like a 2nd class digital native"
> Maybe this 5g rubbish has been created to identify gullible idiots by some Cambridge Analytical type company. Who knows?
Russia Today ran a few disinformation spots last year linking 5G to health concerns. I can't find RT's article*, but RT was reported on by the BBC and the NY Times.
The MO of RT is to not to convince you of any one narrative, but just to spread uncertainty and doubt. So, searching for 'Russia Today 5G' brings up a headline about how the boxer Amir Khan believes that the Coronavirus is manmade and is designed to test 5G.
Useful idiots all over the damned place.
Or that vaccines cause autism?
Probably, of course, they're the same people who will be at the front of the queue when a vaccine for Covid-19 becomes available. And, they will also see no irony in complaining about mobile phone masts and at the same time bitching about poor signals…
People are just fucking idiots!
"[...] of course, they're the same people who will be at the front of the queue when a vaccine for Covid-19 becomes available. "
Not necessarily. Those people are often prepared to sacrifice their children's health in support of their dogma. Human beings have trait of instinctively fearing things without properly evaluating the relative risks.
Lets clear this up.
The world isn't flat because cats would have knocked everything off the edge by now.
Vaccines don't cause Autism because we already have a good idea what causes Autism and all the theories point to before birth, e.g. genetic.
However the moon landings were fake because they didn't bring back any cheese.
Surely it's the other way around: Autism causes vaccines
Well that's just peachy, it's like people who've seen the "centennial recurrent plague of the '20s" meme have decided to rekindle other traditions, starting with destroying their own radio infrastructure ;).
My boss, an IT guy gone managerial, used to (when we were still working at the office) routinely unplug the wi-fi AP over his head because he "didn't want radiation around him like that". I've tried to reason with him but utterly failed, as expected. So I just plugged it again when he wasn't around.
Yeah, got a load of flat earthers where I work. These are highly intelligent engineers but still they are gullible as fuck.
One of them still will not drink milk here in the UK in case it might contain Chernobyl fall out from 1986!!
One of them does wear a hat (foil lined) because you never know!
One of them now believes in these 5G masts spreading the Corona Virus and has asked to be moved in the office so he can't see the nearest mast 200m away and therefore be safe...
Dreamt up in the fevered imagination of some minor non-tech party official.
It's the Thin Edge of the Wedge to soften us up and to justify bringing-in Censorship to stifle and shutdown independent News Reporting on Social Media so that only the Official Approved version of Events is propagated.
Propaganda pure and simple. Don’t Feed the BorisBots.
Propaganda pure and simple
Not really. Anyone with any sense knows that the Coronavirus is punishment from God for legalising abortions and same sex marriages, well at least according to DUP councilor John Carson, who somehow also seems to think he's Noah.
And anyway, if you think that the frequencies used in 5G transmissions spread the virus, there's a foolproof way of curing yourself using a 50Hz frequency generator that we all have in our own homes! Get 2 teaspoons and grab hold of the spoon end, one in each hand. Then, making sure that the power switch is on, push the handles into the lower 2 holes of the nearest mains socket...
Simples!
And an SNP MSP (btw I do generally support the party living in this neck of the woods) is encouraging more people into churches! Is this a suicide wish - given the probable ages - or a conspiracy to remove older people from Scottish society? Anyway, my Mum (who is a regular goer for one reason or the other0 was forthright - "bugger that for a game of soldiers - the eejit". Actually she was ruder but I thing even El Reg might not appreciate the language.
'...or a conspiracy to remove older people from Scottish society?'
Well, considering the SNP twitler youth and their pals in the Greens would dearly love to see a purge of the oldies from society in general as they see them as being the major obstacles to the planned fuckwittery that they'd love to impose up here by diktat..you might have a point...
...but then, the idiot you're talking about here doesn't exactly strike me as being a natural supporter of that shower and their nonsense..
In Sweden the instigator turned out to be a 64 year old fruitcake. Contrary to what some people think, we have plenty of ill-informed poorly educated people with a desire for self publicity even in the best educated countries. And the UK is no longer that.
"Contrary to what some people think, we have plenty of ill-informed poorly educated people with a desire for self publicity even in the best educated countries."
It is not as simple as that. The human mind will believe whatever it wants to believe. I went to a examination selective Secondary Technical School in the 1960s - theoretically choosing the crème de la crème of local young minds. Established by the 1944 Education Act the STS gave a broad 12 to 18 education with a bias towards providing science and technology professionals for the modern world.
In theory they were secular - but obliged by English law to have daily Christian acts of worship. The headmaster seemed to support that line too.
The senior music teacher also taught RE and was a church organist. A newly qualified young Chemistry teacher was a Salvation Army trombonist. There was an after-school Student Christian Movement club - run by the Biology teacher who was a Methodist.
One head boy went on to university and became a CofE bishop. At least one other peer became an Anglo-Catholic vicar.
You do know that the Roman Catholic Church, the CofE and the Methodists all accept modern physics and biology, and indeed the people who founded geology and realised the implications of the fossil record were ordained Anglican clergymen?
I went to a university where it was not uncommon for 1400 people to turn up for the Sunday evening service at the largest church. The university of Rutherford, Turing, Hardy, Bell-Burnell, and a few other familiar names.
Christianity is the background noise of Western civilisation, and until recently the cultural presupposition. It may be woo in its core tenets, but it has a certain intellectual rigour. It's difficult to escape the conditioning. Despite atheism, I really didn't escape it until my 40s, when I started to get to know people from Japan and India and suddenly understood cultural relativism.
The human mind doesn't only believe what it wants to believe, but what it has been so programmed to accept that it doesn't even think about it. And that's where you get conspiracy theorists, because someone has told them that a lot of what people believe has no proof, but they then proceed from that to "nothing people believe is true" and are then completely receptive to nonsense.
Ill-informed, poorly educated people lack a framework of knowledge and are prone to believing self-contradictory things because they don't understand that they self-contradict. As an educated Catholic remarked to me only a few weeks ago, "most Catholics are totally lax about dogma these days." (And, as a result, probably don't even know their Church employs actual scientists.) If you don't understand how microwaves interact with the body, you may believe people who tell you they get in and wreck your immune system. But if you are educated enough to understand in a general way how civilisation works, you will be more content to believe that other people like you, in other disciplines, are as conscientious and as concerned for the welfare of others as you are.
"[...] and realised the implications of the fossil record were ordained Anglican clergymen?"
That was the time when only Anglicans were permitted certain privileges in English society - like university education, public offices, or becoming MPs. Clergyman were often from wealthy families with little in the way of clerical duties. Ordination was a natural progression of a university education.
Even in England in the 1950s it was necessary to profess the Christian faith. All the primary schools in our catchment area were run by religious organisations. Even our secular secondary school had a separate daily assembly for the apparently small number of Catholics. Most of the latter group usually went to the Catholic secondary schools.
Declared atheist pupils were unknown - or at least expected to conform quietly to the law ordained Christian worship practices. I refused to be confirmed at 14. In the VIth Form I was elected to high office in the school's Student Christian Movement on an atheist platform. The times were changing.
A cousin married a CofE vicar. In old age she was horrified to find I was an atheist. She said she couldn't countenance any of her many children not following their parents' faith.
"But if you are educated enough to understand in a general way how civilisation works, you will be more content to believe that other people like you, in other disciplines, are as conscientious and as concerned for the welfare of others as you are."
Any human society is a hierarchical cooperative - much as other primate groups are. Unfortunately the apparent concern for people's welfare often masks the imperative to be in control of a tribal group. That is achieved by offering privileges, protection, rewards, benefits - backed by threats of ostracism from this social group that forms your identity.
Nearly all our local big supermarkets have a particular food bank's collection point. Only on doing some research do you find that the organisation distributing the food is an evangelical Christian cult. Their declared prime directive is to enlarge their congregations with members constrained by their dogma and shibboleths.
UK discussed joint EU plan to buy Covid-19 medical supplies, say officials
So, now that Gove has dismissed it, it's probably gained more credence.
From that article: "Last week Downing Street claimed that it failed to take part in an EU scheme to source life-saving ventilators and other kit to treat coronavirus because it accidentally missed the deadline."
Under normal circumstances this would be incredibly funny.
He's the reason I go home with airline sickbags from any flights I have. They're handy for those sudden moments where he's on the radio or pops up on the TV.
Thankfully I read this article on the loo so no need for one on this occasion, and I'm mercifully close to the toothpaste for when the retching stops.
Probably "Sarah Vine" looking for something to be outraged about. Or someone else on the Mail doing a search for anything that could put a positive spin on "5G radiation is interfering with our body fluids!"
Mind you, I haven't got coronavirus (yet) and we haven't got 5G yet so...
Reminds me of my mother many years ago saying she didn't even want her chips wrapped in the News of the World newspaper.
The general problem with newspaper for bumf is locating the continuation square when you find an article interesting. You don't usually lose much from the nail hole tear - although the more sophisticated threaded the sheets on a piece of string. I think the reason you no longer hear people whistling is that it is a lost necessity. In childhood it was too dark if you closed the toilet door fully - and too far away to put your foot behind it as a back stop.
In my view, 5G IS a global conspiracy - one designed to entirely exsanguinate wallets, leaving its victims feeling weak and woozy as they wonder what the hell they have to show for jumping on the latest voyage of the Planned Obsolescence Express, aka HMS Emperor's New Clothes. I ain't wasting no perfectly good tinfoil protecting myself from 5G, I'll use it the way The Cosmos intended, for making chickens extra crispy.
We, the members of the mmWave Department of Globex, are proud to announce the successful completion of our mmWave COVID-19 virus delivery system. This achievement has been made possible by exploiting several zero-day flaws in Huawei 5G equipment.
Hank Scorpio sends his regards and hopes that the West Coast will enjoy the new order.
Regards,
Hank Morgan
Chief Program Scientist/Director of Technical Staff
ps: I've told Hank that the Tampa Bay Buccaneers should not be under consideration. Hope he understands and that the San Diego Chargers would be cooler. That lightning bolt helmet and all.
I've talked to people who've said that they actually believe that the 5G 'rays' suck the oxygen out of the air. And then I've seen stuff where people believe that the whole thing was engineered so that when we get the vaccine, it won't be a vaccine at all, but little 'GPS Chips' that are activated by 5G!
This 5G nonsense has been around long before the coronavirus outbreak. People believed that there were 5G satellites destroying the ozone layer, that the rays destroy your haemoglobin - and any sort of nonsense you could make up.
These are the same sort of people who, in medieval times, though that so-and-so became ill because some woman didn't go to church when the moon was full, and happened to have a black cat, so they burned her as a witch. It's a medieval mindset exacerbated by gullibility, having too much time to think, and being scared. I'm not defending them at all, but knowing the reasons why could lead to a way of curbing this dangerous nonsense and nipping it in the bud.
I know people who do bizarre things like turn their routers or mobiles off at night, so this stuff is more widespread then you think.
"... burned her as a witch ..."
Alternatively the pandemic would be seen as a punishment sent by some deity for the unacceptable behaviour of the population at large.
Such visitations could be countered either by the villagers undertaking some farcical aquatic ceremony, or in the case of high-ranking members of society, showering endowments on to the local priests and their church.
The outcome was generally the same.
Smarter people would however send the local priests to intervene on their behalf ...
"Look I think it would be better if you went and had a word with Thor yourselves as you keep telling us he listens to you. The top of the sacred mountain looks like an ideal venue for this - the storm clouds are already gathering there. The rest of us will watch you from down here.
Oh and don't forget to take your ceremonial twenty-foot bronze spears of office with you."
Actually, people are kind of doing that too. I don't know any 5G nutters (I think, mental note to ask on FB and remove those who are...), although I have genuinely seen deranged posters up in the wild, but what I do see are people who think this is somehow the planet's way of taking revenge on us for stuff (global warming, pollution, eating meat, whatever personally annoys you). While I'm sure this is all quite good for the environment, that's just not how disease works, and this new-age-pseudo-karma I've even seen from people who are otherwise pretty scientific in their outlooks.
(If disease worked that way then you'd really have to wonder what the hell tasmanian devils did to deserve the transmissible face-eating cancer, or what any number of invertebrates were doing to bring cordyceps militaris upon themselves.)
"Alternatively the pandemic would be seen as a punishment sent by some deity for the unacceptable behaviour of the population at large."
Which is the stance by some politicians and religious people/groups even today. Shifts the blame to some innocent party - and give themselves licence to impose their religious dogma by law or force.
"What's bizarre about turning your router and mobile off at night? I don't see any point in them consuming energy when I'm asleep and therefore have no need for them."
That's not bizarre. What is bizarre is people turning them off some of the time because they think they are dangerous. It's already bonkers to think that they are dangerous after so many tests, but if someone was convinced that they were dangerous, they shouldn't have them turned on at all. It's like saying "I know that driving without a seat belt faster than the speed limit with my lights turned off is dangerous, so I'm only going to do it twice a week instead of three times.". Even the nutcases don't believe their nonsense enough to do what would be warranted if their ravings were true.
Actually this is a good idea, as it extends battery life slightly.
Heat is the main enemy of Li-ion and letting the phone cool down once a day
means it has 8 hours where the battery isn't at >45 degrees so factoring in a 5% reduction per Celsius over its recommended operating temperature means the battery life should be roughly 15% longer
If the switch is rated for 10,000 cycles then the chances are the phone will run out of battery life before the switch fails.
The whole thing that 5G was being tested in London 2 or 3 years ago (in Canary wharf IIRC) and there didn't seem to be a sudden outbreak of virus laiden bankers around (well... Any more than normal at any rate, and certainly not COVID-19. I still wouldn't recommend going within 2 meters of them though, you never know what else you might catch instead).
hmm, not as daft as it sounds. I know people who can't change the sound settings on their phones - no matter how often they're shown how. They are the sort of people who turn their phones off so that they don't get woken up when the latest insincere 'we're here for you at these difficult times' e-mail from their bank or supermarket arrives in the wee small hours.
Edit: dammit. this was supposed to be a 'reply' to anthonyhegedus' post
Enjoy this YouTube video.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2JnV1va4jO0 about isolation options.
Hmm..
Jan 2019: 'Veganuary' little celebrated and flu deaths slightly raised.
Jan 2020: 'Veganuary' hyped, many try this time, some convert, most revert. Tesco launches veg/vegan range in Feb. Covid-19 hits.
It's an attempt to kill off meat-eaters, vegetarians who don't fully embrace 'the cause' and bandwagon-jumping 'vegans' who happily went back to Burger King in Feb.
This is standard practice. There's a demonstration with thousands of people demanding better payment? Throw in a few people, who then set cars and shops on fire while yelling that Satan is their master. Soon people will dissociate themselves from the movement.
This is somewhat exaggerated, but in core how it is effectively done.
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*"for your own protection", a.k.a. don't question anything we do or blame on COVID-19
As much as I love conspiracy theories (real or imaginary), it is more likely the Fire brigade reported some arsonists had genuinely set fire to 5G masts, whether it was bored teenagers or hippies is irrelevant if the journos think it makes a good story.
It is surprisingly more common than you'd think, especially for minor fires.
They get this in Italy with temporary fire wardens, they only get paid for when there's a fire, so they go and set light to a bin in a field somewhere and report it.
All human bodies emit W-band millimetre waves. That's how the security scanners at airports can scan bodies for concealed weapons. The scanners work at 94GHz which being a bigger number than 60Ghz should be at least 50% more scary. By climbing into a foil-lined sleeping bag these people are reflecting the radiation back into their own bodies. Maybe we can start a scare story that anyone wearing tinfoil roasts themselves from the inside out with scary millimetre wave radiation?
This is reminding me of a visitor to our home which is close to an Italian nuclear research laboratory under a mountain. Obviously this is very scary because it's concealed under a mountain in best Bond villain style. Although the big signs in the road tunnel pointing to the laboratory are a bit of a give away. The visitor asked what they did there. I said it's a neutrino detector and it is used to detect neutrino beams from CERN. Then the visitor asked what happens to the neutrinos? Oh I said because of the curvature of the earth they go back into space, although given the location of our home they travel through our house on the way out. Visitor had a major panic attack. Fainted. Left the house the same day. Result!
"You mean he went outside where his body would be subjected to cosmic ray cascade showers, increased solar radiation and the same neutrino flux as indoors?"
Actually the funny thing is that the visitor was Australian, but they left in such haste that I could not tell them about the Arkaroola Hot Springs, that have very high natural background radiation and high radon emissions. Not only that but they live in a high radon area in NSW.
Not true, they have been very careful to follow advice from economists at think tanks with the word "liberty", "market" and "heritage" in the name.
Playing economic think tank bingo is a fun game. Guessing which words in their name mean they think the poor should be turned into fertilizer
A fellow IT worker believes this 5G B.S and thinks the worlds elite want us minions all dead so they can have the planet for themselves. So my counter argument is this/ So with no serfs who is going to do their menial task such as getting their food and wiping their backsides for them ?
A. They would have to fend for themselves, which quiet frankly they are not going to do...
These are the loonies who thought that travelling on a train would be dangerous, or if you sailed past the horizon you would fall off the edge of the world.
Just check out the most-upvoted comments on other less technical websites for Corona Virus related articles:
Apologies in advance for posting a hate-site link:
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-8189779/Bill-Gates-calls-coronavirus-pandemic-nightmare-says-240-000-Americans-not-die.html
[1]which is b0ll0cks, obviously.
the headline in fact should be
pandemic causes less vibration frequencies [2]
[2] https://www.unilad.co.uk/science/current-pandemic-is-making-the-earth-vibrate-less-scientists-say/
what with road traffic at maybe 1% of normal levels, air traffic at 40%(?) and much industry sloughed, furloughed, there must be lots of interesting research to do, on background levels of all sorts of things ... we still have quite high PM2.5 & PM10's here, probably pollen?
>we still have quite high PM2.5 & PM10's here
Cars today have very low particulate emissions (except in the vicinity of VW factories)
NOx levels (from car exhaust) are definitely down here (N. America).
PM2.5 & PM10 are mostly due to heavy diesel (trains, construction plant) and residential wood stoves - which are possibly up with everyone staying at home. It's still cold here away from the coast
Posting anon because I work for government and the amount of disclaimers you need to post facts these days are unbelievable.
"Cars today have very low particulate emissions"
Apart from where there are speed bumps build too large to drive over at the signed speed limits so many drivers are accelerating and braking more often and more rapidly, causing all that lovely particulate pollution from tyres and brakes,
As for the wood burners. Yes, we have someone in our immediate neighbourhood who is burning everything except relatively clean-burn seasoned wood. It stinks.
Easy way to end the argument with the anti-5G mob is to ask them to explain the difference between non-ionising radiation and ionising radiation. Then tell them that ionising radiation is what damages DNA/body cells & UVA from sunlight is ionising radiation along with x-ray machines in hospitals, yet 3G/4G/5G/WiFi signals are non-ionising radiation at the complete opposite end of the EMR spectrum. Shuts them right up as they have no answer.
You mean you found some intelligent enough to understand that answer?
Years ago I came across one of them pontificating about the dangers of nuclear reactors, and pointed out that the human body gets a constant radiation dose from potassium (about 5 000Bq). To which I got the answer that this was "natural" radiation which was harmless. Impasse.
It would be nice if CERN could investigate the extension to the Standard Model involved in distinguishing natural and man made gamma rays and electrons, but I don't think they are going to.
"To which I got the answer that this was "natural" radiation which was harmless. Impasse."
Next time, try mentioning natural radon gas emissions from the earth and see where that takes them. Or the variation in natural background radiation from granite areas and how the locals get higher doses than workers in nuclear power stations.
"Or the variation in natural background radiation from granite areas and how the locals get higher doses than workers in nuclear power stations."
The build-up of radon gas in a building is a known contributory factor to some lung cancers.
that said, conspiracy theories aside, I don't trust him by default. The other day he said something along these lines:
They want me to introduce those tests, but our studies have shown, that 3 out of 4 test results are false positives. [as one of the weasel excuses why he fucked up on testing, ppe, ventilators, etc. for so long] This would mean that, in 3 out of 4 cases, we would let infected people go out there and spread the infection.
I often like to point out to the mentally challenged the biggest source of electromagnetic radiation around. I will often add that this source has been proved to be dangerous causing illness and deaths in large numbers of people. It's a known cancer risk, causes burns and is even known to start fires, kill crops and have a massive effect on the climate. Yet no one does anythign about it and no one complains. It's a conspiracy. That bloody sun has to go.
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One of them tried to convince me yesterday that 5g causes ozone molecules to "oscillate" which prevents them from binding to haemoglobin in the blood Therefore people show the symptoms of coronavirus by choking for air. Even a ventilator can't save them because there's no way that ozone will bind to the blood cells while 5g is in use. He was very puzzled when I pointed out that we don't breathe ozone, we breath oxygen. Also all molecules "oscillate" at room temperature and if you want to stop that, you would have to reduce temperature to absolute zero.
Meanwhile, he posted this as "proof" that the evil Telcos are engaged in a plot to spread coronavirus. Warning, very long, very boring, complete nonsense but possibly worth it just for the first few moments of someone trying to pretend that he is a "Vodafone boss".
Former Vodafone Boss Blows Whistle On 5G Coronavirus!
Sadly the fruitcakes believe this nonsense. It is, as Feynman observed, "cargo cult science".
"Former Vodafone Boss Blows Whistle On 5G Coronavirus!"
Curses, YouTube are removing this since it's fake.
Here is another version of the same thing.
I like "tektonology" and the fairy unicorn dust explanation of 5g.
"cargo cult science"
At least the cargo cults believe that something beneficial is going to happen without them doing much harm otherwise. A justifiable belief possibly originating in the mysterious sudden influx of western goodies during the Pacific island hopping of Allied forces in WW2.
Doesn't matter. When the good fruitcakes people of Glastonbury got the public wifi removed by claiming it was causing headaches and interfering with their chakras, it hadn't even been turned on.
Then they went to Frome and persuaded the Council that 5G was likely to be harmful, and they were experts and qualified to say so.
Experts in something.
My mother in law lives just down the road from the mast that was set fire to in brum, she called my misses on a vid call to show her the fire and waffle some illinformed shite about 5g, didnt have the heart to tell her that her new mobile she ever so pleased with is 5g, till the next day when the family tech support call came in saying her internet had gone slow, and she couldnt access the local 5g nutjobs facebook group :D
I spent a couple of days writing a piece on why this is all a load of bollocks, not least because of the skin effect and how 5G isn't used at 60GHz other than for narrow beam back haul. Then I came across various papers on non-ionising radiation causing physiological effects, specifically related to the Calcium Ions that are used in our nervous system. See: https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC4930268/#b11-epj-08-2452 and https://mmrjournal.biomedcentral.com/articles/10.1186/s40779-017-0139-0 and https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC3780531/ So, from a physics perspective the non-ionising radiation doesn't appear to be able to do any damage but some research is showing, for me, unexpected non-thermal side effects (both positive and negative). It would be really good to get someone with the right backgrounds comments on those papers and why the current recommended SAR's are OK or possibly not. What I can't stand is all the fake news and no one referencing actual research, math and science. Unfortunately anon due to job :/ Oh, and obvs 5G has nothing to do with covid. Spanish flu did fine without mobiles as someone said above. If death rate ends up being higher then it's more likely to be because we have an older population that has diabetes and the like. I like the comment about Canary wharf bankers not dropping like flies too ;)
I wasted ten minutes I won't get back again reading the first article in your post. To begin with I thought it was an April Fool. I am now unsure whether it is a deliberate troll to see what people can be persuaded to link to.
"Abstract:
Public and occupational exposure to electromagnetic fields due to the growing trend of electronic devices may cause adverse effects on human health. This paper describes the risk of mutation and sexual trauma and infertility in masculine sexual cell by mobile phone radiations."
"In this study, we measured the emitted dose from a radiofrequency device, such as switching high voltage at different frequencies using a scintillation detector. The switching high voltage power supply (HVPS) was built for the Single Photon Emission Computed Tomography (SPECT) system. For radiation dosimetry, we used an ALNOR scintillator that can measure gamma radiation. The simulation was performed by MATLAB software, and data from the International Commission on Non-Ionizing Radiation Protection (ICNIRP) were used to verify the simulation."
gamma radiation...non-ionizing radiation. Switching high voltage. Yeah.
"Conclusion
The results of this study and International Commission of Non Ionization Radiation Protection (ICNIRP) reports showed the people who spend more than 50 minutes a day using a cell phone could have early dementia or other thermal damage due to the burning of glucose in the brain."
The conclusion bears no relation to the abstract (unless they are equating male genitals with the brain), "burning of glucose in the brain"!
And then the Introduction goes on to state a number of things completely unproven and the article dribbles off into a mishmash of unproven assertions and statements such as "In this study, we measured the emitted dose from a radiofrequency device at different frequencies using a scintillation detector.", which is quite clever because, of course, radio waves of that frequency range are non-ionising and scintillation detectors are for ionising radiation.
One of the references is to a "Power supply cookbook."
I simply cannot be bothered with the rest, and now I don't know whether this post of yours is intended to be a clever troll (I thought it was all bollocks...but now I'm not sure...anon due to job.)
Ah sorry. Unlucky you picked on the power supply one first, that seemed the most dubious to me too. The others are possibly more interesting although I don't understand the biology of intracellular Ca2+! "Electromagnetic fields act via activation of voltage-gated calcium channels to produce beneficial or adverse effects" states 'In summary, the non-thermal actions of EMFs composed of low-energy photons have been a great puzzle, because such photons are insufficiently energetic to directly influence the chemistry of cells. The current review provides support for a pathway of the biological action of ultralow frequency and microwave EMFs, nanosecond pulses and static electrical or magnetic fields: EMF activation of VGCCs leads to rapid elevation of intracellular Ca2+,'.
Now that suprised me as I wasn't expecting non-thermal actions, right?
"Recent advances in the effects of microwave radiation on brains" , largely about rats as far as I can make out, talks about all sorts of effects.
I know it takes ages to read this stuff so I don't blame you and I wasn't meaning to troll... I wasn't expecting non-thermal effects from such low power/SAR and wanted other people opinion.
You do realise
"The current review provides support for a pathway of the biological action of ultralow frequency and microwave EMFs, nanosecond pulses and static electrical or magnetic fields: EMF activation of VGCCs leads to rapid elevation of intracellular Ca2+,'."
is complete bollocks, don't you?
It has weasle words at the start of it. There are natural sources of ultralow frequency EMF, static and magnetic fields, as well as many human sources (altenators, things with coils, blah blah) what I'm after is WHY it's complete bollocks so when people go 'ah, yes, but look there are these papers showing that CA2+ is increased... blah blah [insert something about birds dying and random people pulling down a lamppost with weather station on it] blah blah, see, so we should burn down transmitters and only use mirrors and sunlight for signalling'. I was just hoping someone on here could debunk the articles talking about non-thermal effects in a critical way. It's cool if you don't personally know the answer or can't be bothered to articulate it.
Erect the mast, and install some boxes and cables, but leave out the transmitter equipment. Wait a bit, until the locals complain of headaches, rashes, canine dementia, or whatever. When the objections are taken to court, point out that there was no transmitter equipment installed at the time of the alleged effects. Case dismissed. Then install and switch on the transmitter.
"[...] point out that there was no transmitter equipment installed at the time of the alleged effects."
To which the plaintiff would probably reply:
Ah - but the receiver function of an aerial would also attract and concentrate any radiation of that frequency.
Just followed a YouTube link and the nutter who produced posted something like "My Facebook account has been closed - if 5G was harmless and they had nothing to hide, why would they close my account?"
Think about this logically. If 5G was _really_ there to spread coronavirus, that is produced by some powerful conspiracy with the intent to kill at least 10,000 people in the UK alone, they wouldn't have closed your account. They would have put you in a hole six feet under.
I know it's the right, scientifically sound way to say it, but the morons you are trying convince take such a term to conspiratorialy mean anything from "You guys haven't found the evidence that we have" to "obviously your fears are true - it's just no-one can prove it yet"
Remember, these are the people who say that even scientists know evolution is fake, as they admit it's just a "theory".
As grating as it sounds, you must say "It doesn't" not "there's no evidence that..."
Well, what really happened is that they had just installed a 5G base station above the small meat market in WuHan. The owner of this meat market was making a 5G phone call. The RF ionized the corona virus DNA, sent it to the mobile switching station, which in turn placed it a sequence of TCP/IP packets (5G after all does use TCP/IP for communication) and managed to broadcast it over the the WLAN. The problem here is the Chinese great firewall. But somehow they permitted these IP packets to spread world wide. Hmm ... Did I see a Dr. Who or Star Trek with a similar scheme? Blame it all on the IETF. What f**ng idiots.
If someone says that 5G causes problems ask them if they voted for Brexit, their answer will of course then Identify them as to the likely hood of the response. I will leave you to add 2 + 2 and if they come up with 5 (G). Now for some sense, microwave links are sprogging all over the place and may actually be killing the Corona 19 virus. However the powers that be do not want you to know that. So being near a 5G mast could save your life. Now the reason the state do not want you to know this is that they need to reduce the number of people especially those that are taking money from the state. So mark those with medical problems, those of age, those of lesser income so less protection against the virus. Now if the governments can reduce the people that have problems and taking monies from the state then the country will be better off in the long term. So the fact that I have discovered that being in a microwave link will help protect you the state KNOW this and will not want you protected. Just think 10% of the population banged on the head, mostly those getting funding, house prices and need reduced, less spending on NHS, less on other things like pensions and so on. So.... I have had it, and am 74, have diabetes live IN a microwave link was hospitalized for the headache some 4 weeks before it was a pandemic, had sore throat, headache, sudden high blood pressure, breathlessness, stomach problems., eye problems, fatigue and so on and know who I caught it from and have been clear for some 2-3 weeks and did not have a temperature , all why was I so spared, yes I live in an a warranted microwave link. So the government WANT you to stop 5G as it may help you survive and they do not want that.
Hi, I caught this ruddy virus here in France at the end of January long before anybody woke up to it. I caught it from our optician in Nozay, I did not have it too badly
requiring hospitalisation for 24 hours at Chateaubriant at the beginning of February, BUT they never realised! I then had, sore throat taste problems tummy problems blood pressure problems breathlessness, stability problems, a cough and loads of phlegm like marbles, taste problems, eye mucous. I suppose I must have spread it all around Chateaubriant as It was not realised I had it being the beginning of February. I am well clear now it took several weeks to get better, so weak. I am 74, have diabetes and most importantly live in a micro wave link that affects electronic stuff. This link affecting our house has been confirmed by others and also I was originally an instructor in Radio, radar and electrical. Was this the reason that I did not suffer too badly.
In the 1970s we had a programmer colleague who only worked a few months at a time to earn enough to periodically live in a well regarded New Age commune.
Passing the place one day I popped in to see him. He gave me a guided tour - culminating in the large temple-shaped building still under construction . Apparently in the pinnacle was a special crystal suspended on gold wires. When completed the community would sit in the hall and their concentrated thought power would create enough electricity to become independent of the national grid.
While I would like to think he was pulling my lag - there was enough other mystical dogma in that community to indicate otherwise.
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