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Samsung Display will discontinue production of LCD panels by the end of the year due to falling demand for the increasingly marginalised tech and a supply glut in the market. This shift shouldn't affect outstanding orders, the chaebol said, telling Reuters: "We will supply ordered LCDs to our customers by the end of this year …

  1. Pascal Monett Silver badge

    So, QLED is best ?

    Well, maybe they'll have gotten to the mythical mass production momentum before my good old, non-smart, 50kg CRT continually functional Philips Pixel Plus finally goes to the great trash heap in the sky for a well-deserved rest.

    I will honestly regret the day that happens, that TV is by far the best I've ever had.

    And it doesn't need to fucking phone home to show me my film.

    1. Mike the FlyingRat Bronze badge
      Boffin

      Re: So, QLED is best ?

      First the power requirements for your CRT TV is huge.

      Then there's the issue of resolution.

      And of course your CRT is nearing end of life.

      Don't get me wrong, until Sony came out with their plasma panels, I swore by their professional monitors.

      But technology moves forward. In terms of QLED vs QLED, I went w Samsung QLED only because they don't suffer from burn in. Would hate to spend $$$ for 65" and 75" TVs only to have to deal w burn in because my wife likes to play the cable tv's music channels which don't change a lot of the screen areas and allow for burn in.

      As to phoning home... IMHO, I suspect part is marketing data money, part of it is digital rights content management, but who knows. Everyone but the US Government spies on us and sells the data ...

      1. Anonymous Coward
        Anonymous Coward

        Re: So, QLED is best ?

        I suspect a lot of people agreed with you up until that last sentence...

        1. Mike the FlyingRat Bronze badge
          Coat

          Re: So, QLED is best ?

          I guess people need to learn to read.

          Free clue. The US Government doesn't sell your data.

          Mine is the jacket with the battery powered radio jammer.

          1. Michael Wojcik Silver badge

            Re: So, QLED is best ?

            The US Government doesn't sell your data

            Oh, I think they do. They're just selective about the customers, and payment is generally quid pro quo.

      2. Gene Cash Silver badge

        Re: So, QLED is best ?

        My 23 year old Sony Trinitron didn't need to phone home either, until it went to the great TV Valhalla last year. RIP.

      3. Michael Wojcik Silver badge

        Re: So, QLED is best ?

        the power requirements for your CRT TV is huge

        Oh, please. Compared to the overall power consumption of a typical home? Certainly here in the US, CRT television power-consumption delta versus a more-efficient display technology is almost certainly dwarfed by heating and cooling. Even a relatively large CRT draws around 120-160W. Lighting in the same room could well be drawing more.

        And Pascal didn't say anything about how many hours per day that set is usually on, which is critical to estimating its power use, of course.

        1. eionmac

          Re: So, QLED is best ?

          You have the lights *on* when watching TV? or (!).

  2. Art Jannicelli

    Is this a paid Samsung piece?

    Go to a store and compare a QLED to an LG OLED. There is no question which looks better.

    I actually own both (bought a QLED in superbowl 2018, LG OLED last black friday). High brightness on the QLED makes black more grey... Though the Samsung app store has more choices. I do HATE you have to login before you can launch any app, and sometimes it can take literal minutes for it to login; as a result I have either a roku or Chromecast on every Samsung to bypass this annoyance.

    Yes burn in is a concern with OLED... But my LG and roku has screen savers that kick in minutes so I doubt that will ever be an issue for me.

    1. The Oncoming Scorn Silver badge
      Holmes

      Thin client, upgraded to act as a Media PC saves all the faffing about with the "Built In Options".

    2. Mike the FlyingRat Bronze badge

      @Art

      I own 2 of the Samsung and 1 Sony. All LEDs not OLEDs

      I was thinking OLED until the issue of burn in and potentially brightness.

      Don't get me wrong. I love both QLED and OLED tech and if it was me and not my wife, Another deciding factor was price vs performance. I got the previous year' model because I couldn't justify the difference in tech against the $1K (USD) price.

      Watching 4K content from Netflix is great.

      To your point... you have a screen saver, but what happens when it doesn't kick in?

      BTW, The Sony has the ability to stay on but shut off the monitor.

      Now if only if I can get my wife to use XM Radio from her phone and let me set up a stereo for her to play it thru. (She hates towers and barely tolerates my bookshelf speakers. )

  3. tip pc Silver badge

    QLED is brighter than OLED, potentially superior.

    QLED can go much brighter than OLED, viewing angles are much greater than LCD too.

    I was checking out the OLED’s at John Lewis last Christmas and the QLED’s looked far superior in terms of brightness, contrast, overall picture quality etc especially in a brightly lit shop with viewing angles on par with OLED. I asked the Samsung and LG reps why I would bother buying OLED if the QLED was so good, LG rep had no real answer, Samsung rep didn’t sell it either.

    I was planning on buying a gz1500b but decided to wait for the hz1500 for the better bfi. If Samsung do wholesale their QLED I’ll be looking out for the Panasonic version especially if it’ll be cheaper and overcomes the issues with OLED’s and motion. Maybe 2021 though given Samsung’s issues with QLED production.

    Let’s see how long my vt65 can hold out for.

    1. Lennart Sorensen

      Re: QLED is brighter than OLED, potentially superior.

      Well the OLED is vastly superior in contrast ratio and in viewing angle (which matters to some people's livingrooms). If you care about color accuracy, the QLED even with professional calibration can't actually be made accurate, while the OLED is usually quite close even without calibration, and can be made very accurate. The QLED is over saturated (apparently many people think that looks better so it sells). The QLED also has blooming issues due to the backlight and being an LCD, and often has to severely dim to reduce the visible blooming, which of course OLED never has a problem with. An OLED can do full contrast difference on adjacent pixels. A QLED (or any other LCD) can't because of the backlight zones (and those are only on the higher end LCDs. Lower end ones only have a single backlight for the hole screen so everything has to dim or brighten together).

      1. tip pc Silver badge

        Re: QLED is brighter than OLED, potentially superior.

        The best or nothing is great, but when you can get 90% and the last 10% doesn’t matter too much then qled is a serious contender.

        Case in point, who darkens the room (Close curtains Blinds etc) during the day To watch tv, if your that dedicated then yes, pay extra for the gz2000, for others the extra brightness will make a significant difference, especially now it’s sunny and warm outside.

  4. Sp0ck

    OLED is great

    There is no mention in this article that the panels they're moving to are QDLED (which are electro-emmisive) but just their bogo standard QLED panels which are LCD panels backlit by LED with a fancy schmancy QD panel that alters the light from the LEDs. There are two types of TV for sale at the moment (if you discount micro LED). LCD and OLED, all TVs that are not OLED are LCD of some form or another, it just depends how they're backlit. It's marketing tosh that makes them sound like something they're not.

    My Panasonic Plasma died a while back and I replaced it with a Panasonic OLED, boy what a picture, it's flippin' amazeballs. I looked at the QLEDs but in stores the pictures are just so over saturated and over bright.

    Now don't get me wrong, a well calibrated QLED Samsung is a match for an OLED but I like the proper blacks you get from an OLED, my Plasma (which I thought was awesome) couldn't do a black black!

    1. Sp0ck

      Re: OLED is great

      This article is incorrect when it says Samsung are moving to only produce QLED, they are infact moving to produce OLED and QDLED only. QLED is an LCD based tech.

    2. John Brown (no body) Silver badge

      Re: OLED is great

      " in stores the pictures are just so over saturated and over bright."

      Most TVs have a "demo mode" in the menus. This sets the display to "bright and gaudy" for use in showrooms etc which are usually brightly lit by fluorescents. Sadly, some people think that's how it should be set for normal usage too.

  5. Buzzword

    Apple holding out

    Of the current iPhone range, only the top-of-the-range iPhone 11 Pro has an OLED display; the rest are plain LCD.

    What do Apple know that Samsung (and the rest of the industry) don't?

    1. Time Waster

      Re: Apple holding out

      How to make money for old rope?

      1. Blank Reg Silver badge

        Re: Apple holding out

        Exactly, why would they go with the more expensive tech when their flock will gladly pay the same for the cheaper stuff.

  6. Stuart Halliday
    Joke

    Douglas Adams will be turning in his Grave...

    Cue Digital Watches....

    1. Michael Wojcik Silver badge

      Yeah. I think some television shows are pretty neat, or at least worth watching if I'm in the mood. The sets themselves? As long as I can see the picture and hear the sound (which is often a problem thanks to horrible mixing for stupid Dolby 5.1), good enough.

      I don't need HD, much less any higher resolution. I don't need high contrast ratios. I don't need color accuracy; I have poor color vision anyway. I don't need accurate sound reproduction or good separation - I just don't care about sound, beyond making out the dialog, and my wife is deaf in one ear so stereo is lost on her anyway. I don't really care about viewing angle; there are only two of us here. I very much do not want my television set to have any networking capability, beyond HDMI which unfortunately it seems we're stuck with.

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