back to article Is that Bullet for Me? Redundo clock is ticking for UK staff at both divisions of IBM's Services arm

IBMers carving out a living in its Services arm are again preparing to enter a 45-day consultation process – meaning at least 100 UK heads will roll at Global Technology Services and a minimum of 100 will leave Global Business Services. The latest nod in the multi-year reshaping of GTS came late last week, with Infrastructure …

  1. Mystereed

    That share scheme sounds a bit unfair

    and also ripe for exploitation by management.

    Fair to say if someone leaves by explicit choice - i.e. resigns, they get cancelled, but if somebody gets made redundant (even voluntarily) or retires due to age, sickness etc, then the shares should still vest.

    1. Steve K Silver badge

      Re: That share scheme sounds a bit unfair

      Absolutely. A cynic might even say that those with the greatest share grants might be first in line for redundancy in < 2 years.

  2. Anonymous Coward
    Anonymous Coward

    Well they have to pay for the PHB's bonus somehow. The front line guys aren't getting anything. Again.

    Sure as hell not going to make any money by retaining customer - kind of hard to do when you have no competent staff left to prop up India.

    A shame. IBM used to be a company techies used to aspire to join. Now its just one to avoid like the plague.

  3. Anonymous Coward
    Anonymous Coward

    I thought it had been a while since RA made the news.

    Here they go again.

    1. Anonymous Coward
      Anonymous Coward

      Re: I thought it had been a while since RA made the news.

      IBM have moved to a constant rolling RA process to try and stay out of the headlines....

      Dumping staff and contractors to meet quarterly targets is so Ginny....

  4. Anonymous Coward
    Anonymous Coward

    I feel sorry for the bloke in the picture accompanying the article. I think he has been made redundant by about ten companies. He always ends up sitting on that same step as well.

  5. GruntyMcPugh

    Here we go again,...

    ,, and I'm pretty sure I made comment at the time about Lloyds staff being culled as soon as the two years was up.

    Meanwhile, that new 'bonus' scheme, I'd have rather had the cash, thanks. We didn't get payrises, so we looked forward to the bonus (Although Ginni rolled us over one year, and grade 2's were denied). But this looks like a snide way to buoy up IBMs share price, by taking the dirty old cash they used to pay in bonuses, and buying up stock,...I was in a share reward scheme once before, similar deal, had to wait two years for the options to mature, and then could only realise 20% of each allocation year on year. One guy I worked with was a paper millionaire (nearly) thanks to having 30 years of TUPEd service, ... except by the time the two years came up, our $100 shares were worth less than a dollar, the dot com bubble burst on us.

    On an unrelated note, I was watching a bit of Telly on Tuesday, on a slightly backwater channel (UK Channel 5) whilst eating my dinner, and during the ad break, there was an advert for IBM, 'IBM create solutions' or somesuch,... now, I've worked for IBM, I still work in IT, and we've just got budget approval for some more big spends, and we just spent a considerable sum on hardware a few months ago, and you know what? There's nothing we'd buy from IBM, so just who the F! are they advertising to? We are a medium sized organisation (6000 odd seats), we don't need Watson AI, or Z-Series, or IBM Cloud (we're largely an MS house, so Azure and O365), IBM don't make consumer end stuff any more, nothing for the corporate desktop, they don't make servers anymore, so why advertise on Ch5 in the middle of a program about dog training?

    1. Anonymous Coward
      Anonymous Coward

      Re: Here we go again,...

      People who want to buy solutions and who are home, in their pyjamas with their dog drinking a can of lager during the day as they unwind from a hard night's digital startup.

      1. hoola Silver badge

        Re: Here we go again,...

        I hope the dog does the okay on the lager, no cheap supermarket own-brand.

        1. Korev Silver badge
          Coat

          Re: Here we go again,...

          Would something from Brew Dog be acceptable?

          1. GruntyMcPugh

            Re: Here we go again,...

            I've got a can of 'Punk IPA' lurking at the back of the fridge. I'm thinking about drinking it of course, not giving it to the dogs. ( I have four dogs, hence I was watching aforementioned Ch5 prog.)

    2. Anonymous Coward
      Anonymous Coward

      Re: Here we go again,...

      <SARCASM>

      Well that's no sort of attitude to take! I mean, how on Earth are the PHB's going to afford their helicopters if you don't spend your money on useless stuff you don't need? It will be blue with an IBM badge - what more do you want?

      </SARCASM>

    3. Anonymous Coward
      Anonymous Coward

      Re: Here we go again,...

      The place I’m at keeps spaffing money at IBM. The hardware isn’t bad but the software is just plain awful, and the standard of support is noticeably diminishing year on year.

    4. Anonymous Coward
      Anonymous Coward

      Re: Here we go again,...

      And Lloyds are so pissed off with IBM that Lloyds have just penned a 3bn deal with Google for cloud.

  6. Ex IBMer

    IBM ... Bonus.... Shares.... ha ha ha ha.

    I'm splitting my sides here.....

    At IBM you're a completely replaceable seven digit employee number..

    Shares..... Bonus..... HeHeHeHeHeHe

    1. GruntyMcPugh

      Re: IBM ... Bonus.... Shares.... ha ha ha ha.

      Eight for regulars, nine for contractors? In the UK at least.

  7. Anonymous Coward
    Anonymous Coward

    Vodafone staff TUPED to IBM

    When Vodafone staff were preparing to be TUPED over to IBM GTS last year, an enterprising employee kicked up a stink about the rumoured poor bonuses that IBM paid and insisted that TUPED staff got a salary rise to at least partially address that. Thanks whoever that was. The leaked email at around the same time that said a large percentage of TUPED staff would be made redundant in first 18 months post TUPE took the edge off it though, just like the news that 'poor bonus' is now 'no bonus'. Pity those Vodafone customers who are now on the receiving end of service from demotivated TUPED employees.

  8. Anonymous Coward
    Anonymous Coward

    Numbers

    263 employees will be made redundant from 1248, 26th Aug exits.

  9. Anonymous Coward
    Anonymous Coward

    The facts

    263 employees will be made redundant from 1248, under the T&T, Project Services, Lloyd Account, Vodafone Account and IS delivery. ECC council met 20th Feb, 45 day collective consultation end date 15th April, at risk meetings 18th May, dismissal meetings 3rd June, 26th Aug exits.

  10. Anonymous Coward
    Anonymous Coward

    IBM dont give a S^*! about employess

    In these uncertain times, IBM is still pushing forward on layoffs of GTS staff, despite the ECC council asking for a postponement to this round of redundancies. All IBM do is take on accounts, TUPE staff, introduce offshore colleagues to the account and then cut UK heads. The offshore skill are some of the poorest I've seen!

  11. pwhit

    Senior Technical Analyst

    I have been working for IBM for over 30 years now and quite honestly I have never seen it so bad. The company are so focused on the next quarter they do not see nor care the damage it is doing to their prime resource their employees. Whilst IBM have chosen to suspend their VR program in the states they are pushing it through in the UK citing that the business reasons have not changed.

    I cannot understand any company choosing to outsource to them and we just need to look at the damage done to Lloyds banking IT. I have recently met many people working on this account with morale shattered and all thoughts of service being replaced by SLA's, that are constantly massaged in order to meet them. Should a shame to see such a great company fall so far.

  12. Anonymous Coward
    Anonymous Coward

    Ibm has lost its way morally. Profit in quarter is the only thing that matters and Arvind (AKA Mini Ginni) is carrying on the fine tradition of chopping experienced staff with a passion for quality for the cheapest possible off shore option.

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