Leaks point to Samsung Galaxy S20 Ultra with mammoth 108MP camera and ... what? 16GB of RAM

There's just a few short weeks until the Samsung Unpacked launch event, where the South Korean giant will unveil this year's ultra-pricey flagships. Predictably, most of the pertinent details have already dripped out. The latest pertains to the potent Samsung Galaxy S20 Ultra*, which packs some unbelievably meaty specs. The …

[Def]

No amount of RAM is excessive when Android is involved.

[toejam]

If it supports 4K DisplayPort over USB so I can use it as a proper desktop, that 16 GB of memory might come in handy when I have several dozen tabs open in Chrome while in full screen.

[Timmy B]

"If it supports 4K DisplayPort over USB so I can use it as a proper desktop, that 16 GB of memory might come in handy when I have several dozen tabs open in Chrome while in full screen."

I do pretty much that on my Tab S5e with Dex and IIRC that only has 6Gb (Monitor is good but not quite 4K)

[BuckeyeB]

Just show me where to plug in the keyboard.

[zuckzuckgo]

Bluetooth?

[toejam]

Use a laptop docking station. If I attach my Dell USB-C dock to my phone, it detects my keyboard, mouse, monitor, and GigE port. No need to fuss with any Bluetooth accessories.

[Timmy B]

I too use a usb c dongle. It has 3 usp ports, HDMI and VGA out 2 card readers and usb c input for power, etc. Everything works apart from the VGA port and that's only because I've not tried it. It cost me less than £20.

[The Oncoming Scorn]

Oh, did we forget to mention?

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[Anonymous Coward]

Surely you're going to need plenty of memory to manipulate 108 mega pixel images?

[cirby]

Yep - that was my first thought. That 16 gigs will fill up in just a few seconds if they're buffering in RAM.

[jswitte3416]

Yep

My first thought too. That's 1.7 GB per image (maybe - I'm assuming 16 bit color uncompressed; =108*10^6*16/10^9)

[heyrick]

How big is the imager?

I mean, 108 megapixels? Surely the laws of physics would require a fairly large imager, with an appropriate lens? How does all that fit into a phone where the trend is to make them ever thinner?

[Chris G]

Re: How big is the imager?

Even on full frame DSLRs, the increasing pixel count means evermore processing to deal with noise, putting 108MP on a microscopic phone sensor is mostly a marketing ploy in my opinion. It will however, be interesting to see results from this 'camera'.

[nekomoto]

Re: How big is the imager?

Maybe it's "108MP (interpolated)" like they used to say with Flatbed Scanners.

[Is It Me]

Re: How big is the imager?

It will probably be the other way around.

There have been articles on here about using multiple pixels to cope with low light etc.

[Lazlo Woodbine]

Re: How big is the imager?

Commonly known as Binning, combining four pixels into one, my P20 does it and gives spectacular images, although there's an enormous amount of processing goes on between pressing the "shutter" and the final image being displayed.

[Matt_payne666]

Re: How big is the imager?

Have a look at the current off the shelf Samsung 108mp camera...

It maybe a bit of a marketing gimmick, but DXO deem it worthy of the best phone camera currently on the market...

https://www.dxomark.com/the-best-smartphone-cameras-of-2019/

[MachDiamond]

Re: How big is the imager?

It's a marketing ploy. Even if the laws of the physical universe would allow that many pixels on a tiny little sensor, the optics will not resolve that level of detail. To take advantage of a 50-60mp full frame (35mm) sensor, it takes a lens with a whopping great price tag. DXOmark is a good place to look for details on that sort of thing. A serious photographer isn't going to show up on a job with their cell phone and live to book that customer again.

If you need a good camera, the last place you would shop is at the phone store. An adequate camera on your phone is a good enough tool.

[NoneSuch]

But Wait, Act Now And Get...

...All the spyware you don't need, at a price you can't say no too.

[FozzyBear]

Re: But Wait, Act Now And Get...

OMG! Shut up and take my money.

[jmch]

Re: But Wait, Act Now And Get...

"All the spyware you don't need"

Maybe that's what all the RAM is for

[IGotOut]

I thought

We'd got over the stupid mega-pixel arms race with digital cameras...

I guess the buyers of these are to young to realise how pointless it was.

Now I'm off to listen to my super-cd on my 64bit 500x oversampling hifi that has a 10,000 watt PMPO amp connected to some Amstrad speakers.

[Steve Aubrey]

Re: I thought

Don't forget your gold interconnect cables, that make digital signals sound so much smoother. Tight this way, just three thousand a meter - and well worth it (to somebody).

[Zarno]

Re: I thought

I'll just leave this one here...

https://hackaday.com/2020/01/06/organic-audio-putting-carrots-as-audio-couplers-to-the-test/

[zuckzuckgo]

Re: I thought

But will the carrot connector give me root access?

[Aussie Doc]

Re: I thought

Probably not, but you'll be able to see the connections really well.

[Timbo]

Re: I thought

"Don't forget your gold interconnect cables, that make digital signals sound so much smoother. "

Anyone who knows anything about audio cables, knows one uses gold connectors and not gold conductors...there's plenty of better signal carrying conductors one can use, most based on silver.

If you want digital cables to sound better, you need to specify properly shielded cables to keep out all the RFI, 4G, 5G, Freeview and other digital gunk floating around in the ether.

[MachDiamond]

Re: I thought

"and well worth it (to somebody)."

Yeah, the guy selling you the cables. A couple sales and month and he's laughing.

[commonsense]

Re: I thought

There is one advantage, if you look beyond the likely huge amount of noise in anything other than perfect lighting. You can crop a lot more and still have a usably large image.

[John 104]

Here's to hoping that it actually does come with a 5000mAH battery - and doesn't need it to run for 4 hours...

To manufacturers: No one gives a shit about thin. Give us decent batteries please. An extra mm to the phone thickness is worth it....

[chivo243]

Mobile Server!

Damn! I recently(2-3yrs ago) retired 3 servers that had 16gigs, in total! Do Ras-Pis come with that much RAM??

I wouldn't carry it in my front pocket either...

[jaywin]

More importantly

Will there be a 3.5mm headphone socket?

[Anonymous Coward]

Re: More importantly

From what I read elsewhere, no.

[jaywin]

Re: More importantly

Another phone off the list of possible upgrades in that case

[BuckeyeB]

Re: More importantly

That's terrible. I hate the bluetooth headphones.

[Lazlo Woodbine]

Re: More importantly

Hidzis make a great USB-C to 3.5mm DAC, I bought one last year for P20.

Accidentally left the DAC and my Sony earphones in my trouser pocket once and put them through the wash, they still work fine...

[Anonymous Coward]

Re: Will there be a 3.5mm headphone socket?

as an

eco-friendly remote dongle

powered by

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wirelessly

recharged from

a windmill*

*organically-certified

[Anonymous Coward]

Re: Will there be a 3.5mm headphone socket?

is it vegan though?

[Anonymous Coward]

Re: Will there be a 3.5mm headphone socket?

Only in suppository form.

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[Shadow Systems]

You can never have too much RAM.

The more the computational device can utilize, the better & faster it will run.

Between multiple open tabs, streaming music/video, an email client, & processing all those megapixels, you'll want as much as you can afford to have installed. This goes for desktops, laptops, & your SmartPhone.

You can have ludicrous amounts installed, like 1Tb in a SmartWatch, but that's merely silly/overkill.

Or is 640Kb still enough for you? ;-)p

[Jimmy2Cows]

Re: You can never have too much RAM.

Feels a bit like you refuted your own argument.

[TWB]

Problem with too much RAM

Developers will start to think it is 'normal' and write even sloppier code. It's the same as having a bigger work bench, you just fill it up with more junk - unless you are well disciplined.

This is not aimed at those developers who still believe in and strive to make lean, compact apps which manage and use resources efficiently.

[Anonymous Coward]

Re: Problem with too much RAM

1KB chess anyone?

[sw guy]

Re: Problem with too much RAM

Maybe you just gave hints to secret plan at Samsung:

1. Have developers assume plenty-full RAM is available on phones

2. People start complaining other phone vendors are too slow

Either 3A More Samsung phones sold

Or 3B Phone vendor buy lots of (Samsung) RAM

In both cases: 3. Win!

;-)

[Baldrickk]

Re: Problem with too much RAM

Guilty as charged. For some personal things anyway - Running what amounts to a full DB in memory is nice and fast. I could save to disk, but while I get to control both the data and hardware, what's the point?

[TWB]

Re: Problem with too much RAM

Oddly, I don't mind that (in fact I like speed for that kind of thing), it is when you get what should be a really small simple app that takes GBs when it should be KBs.

[jswitte3416]

Re: Problem with too much RAM

> it is when you get what should be a really small simple app that takes GBs when it should be KBs.

It amazes me that you need a gigabyte of ram to do pretty much anything, when 30 years ago, the Mac classic had one thousandth that much (1MB - yes I had to look that up), and about a thousand the processor speed too (1 core 8MHz v. 4-core 2 GHz). Of course, MacOS at the time did almost no multitasking (user level at least), was BW, etc. Still.

[Aladdin Sane]

But can it run Crysis?

[DiViDeD]

Re: But can it run Crysis?

I'm sorry, but it's official

nothing can run Crysis

[DrBobK]

Noise

I guess if you average over, say a 4 by 4 grid of pixels to suppress all the noise in those tiny pixels you'll end up with a decent image (from a 6.75 mega-pixel 'effective' sensor).

[Baldrickk]

Obviously, you should take this with a grain of salt. Phone rumours are occasionally wrong — although, thanks to notoriously leaky supply chains and regulatory filings, the leaks are increasingly accurate.

As long as it isn't the 5,000 mah battery that leaks (and subsequently ignites) then I suppose we can all be happy.

[BuckeyeB]

I just hope that the release of this will drop the prices on the S8, S9, and S10s. My J7 needs to upgrade and $500+ for a now 4 generation old phone is ridiculous.

[Kevin McMurtrie]

Turn in your geek card

108 mpix behind a crap lens may be excessive but how dare you complain about having too much RAM!

PhotoMate R3 (camera RAW file editor), OsmAnd+ (offline maps), PDFs of technical documents, and probably lots of games would perform better. The only catch will be deactivating 10GB of new Samsung shovelware and spyware.

[Big_Boomer]

Bring on the BLOAT

Sammy phones already have a vast amount of mostly useless bloat on them, so they need more RAM to cope with the increasing amounts of crap that nobody wants but you cannot uninstall. Chances are it will also have a price tag to rival top-end laptops. One for the "must-have-latest-top-end-penis-extension" brigade.

[MachDiamond]

Re: Bring on the BLOAT

It took me most of a day to cleanse my phone and tablet of bloatware when I first got them. It's a never ending fight to keep them from reinstalling all of that crap automatically. I need both of them to do work so I want them as streamlined as possible. My old mobile is my mini tablet that I'll put some apps on as I don't do anything serious on it. Mostly it's used with the Pi, Arduino stuff and with Torque in the car. Financies? never on a mobile device.

[dajames]

Financies? never on a mobile device.

I recently had a conversation a gentleman at $BANK who told me that their mobile banking app was more secure than online banking with a desktop PC. When I suggested that he was a jester with a fine sense of irony he told me that transactions on the mobile app were subjected to more than twice as many secondary checks as those from PC-based banking.

From this I infer that $BANK are more than twice as worried about dodgy transactions from mobile as from other online banking.

[MachDiamond]

"I recently had a conversation a gentleman at $BANK who told me that their mobile banking app was more secure than online banking with a desktop PC."

That's ok. I don't use a PC online (I have a Mac). Aside from that, I don't do banking online at all anyway.

The thing I run into frequently is when I call customer service somewhere and they've identified me from caller ID. If someone nicks my phone or spoofs the number, they can get in at many places. I also don't like it when the ask to "verify" some information. The problem is they don't understand the word "verify" and I don't want to volunteer information over the phone. It wasn't that long ago there was a story on Rip Off Britain or some such show where they told of a guy that got a job at a bank and was passing on people's security information via text to some accomplices when he spotted nicely stuffed accounts. He was something of an idiot but the people paying him for the info weren't and they hadn't been collared in a year's investigation.