back to article As internet pioneers fight to preserve .org’s non-profit status, those in charge are hiding behind dollar signs

The controversial proposed sale of the .org internet registry to an unknown private equity firm will hit a critical decision point this week, and all the organizations in charge are refusing to talk about it. On December 9, DNS overseer ICANN put a temporary halt on the sale by sending a letter to the organization that runs …

  1. Anonymous Coward
    Anonymous Coward

    Where do I sign up?

    I'm sure I could take notations or something. A small room, I'd pay for my own drinks too...

    Not saying I agree. But sounds like a wonderful gravy train.

    1. J. R. Hartley

      ICAANt believe they're getting away with it.

      Let's storm ICAAN. They can't stop us all.

  2. Pascal Monett Silver badge

    The basic problem

    The basic problem is that ICANN is supposed to manage the Internet as a whole and it is not managed itself by an international group, only by corrupt American oligarchs. We all use this Internet, we all need it, and 99% of the world can do nothing about it.

    The USA is no longer a place where important organizations should be located. Get ICANN out of there, bring it to Europe and have an international team take care of managing our Internet.

    At this point, I'd prefer the endless discussions of Eurocrats instead of this dark room management that stinks of money and selfishness.

    1. Jellied Eel Silver badge

      Re: The basic problem

      The basic problem is that ICANN is supposed to manage the Internet as a whole and it is not managed itself by an international group, only by corrupt American oligarchs.

      In theory ICANN is managed by an international group, eg Marby is Swedish. In practice, it lacks transparency.. Which can also be true for other NGOs that are the power behind the Internet. Challenge is finding an alternative. The ITU is an obvious option, but isn't immune to conflicts of interest either. Plus the ITU is a technical standards body, and the current disputes are commercial/contractual.

      That I think makes alternatives a lot more challenging, especially as national bodies start doing their own thing, ie Russia/China/Saudi kind of Balkanising chunks of the 'net. Extending that further, national regulators like the UK's Ofcom could step in with price controls, which would confuse the market. But the 'market' is one of ICANN's problems. So it justifies price gouging by claiming there is a market, but glosses over the fact that there are monopolies for the base, wholesale price of TLDs that are unrelated to costs.

    2. Teiwaz

      Re: The basic problem

      The USA is no longer a place where important organizations should be located. Get ICANN out of there, bring it to Europe and have an international team take care of managing our Internet.

      Unfortunately, FIFA.

      1. MiguelC Silver badge

        Re: The basic problem

        And the European Patent Office

    3. Anonymous Coward
      Anonymous Coward

      Re: The basic problem

      The entire thing is corrupt, moving it around the sludge won't change that. The internet is controlled by spies (Facebook. Google, Amazon, etc.) and the faceless rich (shadows1, shadow2, shadow3, etc...). I think this .org issue itself clearly proves that.

      Game over, insert coin(s) to continue.

    4. jimdandy
      Windows

      Re: The basic problem

      Och, aye laddies 'n lassies, sellin' yer asses an' yer best friends' too is a bit much; paying fer the Dingles who hae taken o'er the Trust to cuddle ye' up and stroke yer fur wilna save yer souls.

      Hae ye still got any.

    5. Carpet Deal 'em

      Re: The basic problem

      If I recall correctly, most of ICANN's issues began after Uncle Sam decided to let it go - ie, when it lost all semblance of oversight. That's a recipe for corruption no matter where you are.

      1. Yes Me Silver badge

        Re: The basic problem

        ICANN has been controversial since Day One (in 1998). Nothing changed when the final contract between ICANN and the US Government lapsed, because ICANN had always been expecting that to happen. It caused less disruption than the Y2K fizzle.

        Many people criticise ICANN, me included. But most of what it's done was going to happen anyway, because like it or not we live in a world governed by free market economics. Change that, and ICANN will change in response.

    6. Yes Me Silver badge
      Facepalm

      Re: The basic problem

      The basic problem with your comment is that "The basic problem is that ICANN is supposed to manage the Internet as a whole" is absolute rubbish. For the topic of this thread, all that ICANN manages is the right to register names in top level domains. This trivial job has turned out to pay very well, but fortunately it's a rather minor matter from a technical point of view, even if highly visible.

      Nobody manages the Internet as a whole, fortunately.

  3. DontFeedTheTrolls
    Angel

    "It is also unclear how or why ICANN would turn over control of one of the largest internet registries, with over 10 million names, to a new entity for no consideration"

    Ethics. Pure and simple. Sometimes you have to give a little for the greater good of society, and I hope someone does the right thing. .org can continue to charge for domains and operate as a not for profit organisation.

  4. Pirate Dave Silver badge
    Pirate

    "The new corporation doesn’t intend to offer a bid: its sales pitch appears to be an appeal to the internet’s founding beliefs."

    They're gonna use it to stream porn?

    1. Michael Wojcik Silver badge

      Founding beliefs. They're going to use it for a store-and-forward ASCII-porn system.

  5. STOP_FORTH
    Alien

    I'm not saying it's aliens, but

    welcome to the b.org

  6. Anonymous Coward
    Anonymous Coward

    >> ISOC officially had a non-stop 14-day board meeting

    Is that what they call a cocaine n' meth fuelled rave?

    1. Yes Me Silver badge
      WTF?

      14-day board meeting

      >>> ISOC officially had a non-stop 14-day board meeting

      >> Is that what they call a cocaine n' meth fuelled rave?

      No, it's called a "myth". Another of Kieran's economies of truth.

  7. Anonymous Coward
    Anonymous Coward

    How come we don't just roll our own alternative DNS system's and get rid of ICANN altogether?

    1. Anonymous Coward
      Anonymous Coward

      So everyone has to agree on an alternate system, and that alternate system has to be run by an organization that isn't actually worse than ICANN.

      How about you set everything up, and let us know when you're done and we'll decide then?

      1. Michael Wojcik Silver badge

        I'm still suspicious that this might be the end game for DoH. If you were Google and Cloudflare, wouldn't you be thinking that DNS looked like fertile territory for colonization?

    2. Alan Brown Silver badge

      Because the last time someone tried that, ICANN promptly rolled out TLDs over the top of the ones the alternative roots were using and killed them.

  8. Anonymous Coward
    Anonymous Coward

    Does ICANN actually DO anything?

    I mean anything at all that's even vaguely useful.

    1. Yes Me Silver badge

      Re: Does ICANN actually DO anything?

      Yes. It makes sure the DNS root servers continue to work securely and reliably, it registers thousands of protocol parameters free of charge for the IETF and the whole Internet, and it ensures that DNS name registries (for the non-national top level domains) are unique and functional. You can disagree with some aspects of how it does the last bit, but it needs to be done.

    2. Michael Wojcik Silver badge

      Re: Does ICANN actually DO anything?

      Serve as a cautionary example?

  9. Tim99 Silver badge
    Unhappy

    Rent Seeking

    Move along - Nothing to see here at this Wikipedia Link.

  10. Yes Me Silver badge
    Flame

    A grassroots global organization

    "As flawed as the Internet Society is – it purports to be a grassroots global organization but in actuality is more of a Washington lobby group for internet engineers"

    I didn't need to look at the by line to know who wrote this twaddle. I suggest asking the ISOC Chapters around the world what they think, or checking the affiliations of the ISOC Board members, to see if it looks like a Washington lobby group.

    Of course ISOC lobbies, notably in Geneva and other international locations. But it's always been clear that any lobbying in Washington D.C. is done by the local Washington chapter of ISOC, not by ISOC HQ.

  11. Yes Me Silver badge
    Alert

    Vultures Circling?

    Milton Mueller has posted some common sense: click here.

  12. osxtra

    Tit for tat

    Perhaps it's time for a new ".borg" tld...

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