Perhaps the way to go is to disconnect it all and make absolutely clear to the public why service has deteriorated and to whom they should address their complaints.
You'll never get Huawei with this, FCC tells US telcos: Buy Chinese kit and you won't see another dime from us
America's broadband watchdog has told telcos they cannot use government subsidies to buy any more Huawei or ZTE equipment. The FCC is also mulling extending this ultimatum to include the continued use of the Chinese manufacturers' gear, meaning cellular and internet providers will have to replace their installed Huawei and ZTE …
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Monday 25th November 2019 12:20 GMT Anonymous Coward
"why service has deteriorated"
I'm not sure how US telcos will be able to differentiate between their "normal" service deterioration and service deterioration caused by not using Huawei/Chinese kit..
I suspect US telcos would just add another charge onto existing customer bills referencing the Chinese telecoms engineer "Phouc Yoo".
It would be approved by the FCC as being in customers best interests.
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Monday 25th November 2019 12:18 GMT Anonymous Coward
I know it's sarcasm, but that's why most countries have mixed economies.
Eg Business run most of the time, but the government steps in for things that are necessary, but not necessarily commercially viable. (E.G road/power infrastructure (not mentioning the NHS, coz I don't want to start an argument)).
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Monday 25th November 2019 16:39 GMT jbburks
Universal Service Fund
The Universal Service Fund, or USF, funds telecom service (mobile, wireline phone and broadband) for rural areas that are very expensive to serve, due to low subscriber density, as well as schools and universities.
It is funded by a surcharge (tax) on telephone bills in the 10% range, so that's a HUGE pool of money. It is doled out back to the Telcos to provide these services once approved.
Like all big pools of government money, this gives them a level of control much more than what they are allowed to prohibit or require through laws.
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Saturday 23rd November 2019 00:05 GMT ma1010
So True...
Both Huawei and ZTE have close ties to the Chinese government and military apparatus and are subject to Chinese laws requiring them to assist with espionage, a threat recognized by other federal agencies and the governments of other nations,
Yes, indeed. I'm terrified about what the Chinese might find out about me with all their snooping. Thank $DEITY we all live in countries where no telecoms company is ever forced to divulge any of our communications to any "government and military apparatus," eh?
What was that you said? "Snoopers Charter" and "Patriot Act"? Oh. Yeah. Crap.
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Sunday 24th November 2019 20:23 GMT DavCrav
Re: So True...
If you cannot see the difference between the US government using extraordinary rendition (i.e., kidnapping) on Al-Qaeda suspects, and the Chinese government running a million-strong concentration camp (which Huawei supplies with the electronic gubbins to make it work) then I worry for you.
The US/UK have done bad things, but current Chinese acts are in a different league.
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Monday 25th November 2019 10:44 GMT Anonymous Coward
Re: So True...
Remind me, when the UK invaded China, to force them to buy their opium production when the Chinese government was trying to make drug use illegal, that was in which league, exactly?
Whatabout all the way down it is, but it boils down to: the US/UK have no high horse to climb on and spout their moralizing to the world.
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Monday 25th November 2019 14:05 GMT Anonymous Coward
Re: So True...
Sure, you can back in time and found even worse Chinese action, i.e. Mao, and later the Gang of Four?
And while the Western world is apologizing for the horrible mistakes it made, I can't see anything as such from authoritarian governments like China - which just decided they need more horrible mistakes, because they can't still understand they are mistakes.
Feeding China today could be another horrible mistake by Western countries.
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Monday 25th November 2019 15:25 GMT Anonymous Coward
Re: So True...
"Apologizing for the horrible mistakes it made".
Well, it's quite debatable they are, and the amount of reparations certainly vary from country to country.
You'll be happy to learn that, in China, the official party line is that Mao was 30% wrong.
Now you know they can also pay lip service to past mistakes, you'll absolve them too, right?
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Monday 25th November 2019 10:57 GMT Velv
Re: So True...
"...live in countries where no telecoms company is ever forced to divulge any of our communications.."
Of course the Telecoms companies aren't forced to divulge any of our communications. They're forced to install back doors so the authorities can access the information without even asking.
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Saturday 23rd November 2019 09:52 GMT Chika
Re: Communism IS terrible
You mean rather than a country where the state holds sway over you and can monitor your every move, you prefer a state that is controlled by a shady group of people who can hold sway over you and monitor your every move.
I see your point. So can all the other victims worldwide of US Intelligence monitoring. Huawei? ZTE? Feh!
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Saturday 23rd November 2019 22:02 GMT whoseyourdaddy
Re: WTO WTF
Someone come up with a good reason why American Telcos have to buy Huawei equipment in the first place besides cost.
Therefore, the FCC must step in.
Never underestimate the drive of a CEO and Finance guy or purchasing agent of any company who will seek out the cheapest equipment that won't get them fired. Useless MBAs. Fsck the whole lot.
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Monday 25th November 2019 12:34 GMT Anonymous Coward
Re: WTO WTF
"They prefer to avoid being illegally spied on by the NSA as will happen when they use Cisco kit."
Surely you have to demonstrate that the kit that the Telco's would use would be Cisco to make your argument relevant?
If it turned out to be European, Korean or Japanese kit, then you argument would be false. Even using Juniper kit would make it false.
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Monday 25th November 2019 00:42 GMT veti
Re: WTO WTF
What do you mean, "besides cost"? What world do you live in, where that's a thing you can even think?
Every dime spent on new equipment is money that could have been spent on other services, or else it has to be clawed back from customers. What better reason is there than "cost"?
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Monday 25th November 2019 05:04 GMT Anonymous Coward
Re: WTO WTF
> Someone come up with a good reason why American Telcos have to buy Huawei equipment in the first place besides cost.
US Telcos can still buy Huawei equipment. They can't use it on US 5G networks infrastructure. And they can't use US taxpayer money - i.e. Universal Service Fund subsidies - to pay for it.
Last time I checked, the US was a sovereign country. It can decide, at its sole discretion, where to spend its tax revenue.
Someone please provide a good reason why US taxpayers should subsidize the Chinese Telecom industry.
If you don't like buying US-made Telecom equipment, don't buy it. Build your own. If you can. If you can't, because you don't have the know-how, o-well. You are in no position to set conditions.
And even if you manage to build something functional, NSA is still going to intercept your shit if they want to. Because they can.
Funnily enough, the US doesn't even have a monopoly on 5G infrastructure equipment. Nokia and Ericsson are major players in this market. Neither are US companies.
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Saturday 23rd November 2019 11:14 GMT Pascal Monett
"a threat recognized by other federal agencies and the governments of other nations"
NO. Abso-fucking-lutely NO.
Only the UK, as the White House's habitual lapdog, has recognized anything. THERE IS NO OTHER GOVERNMENT that gives this shit any credit whatsoever.
My GOD it is so annoying to see US governmental institutions spout utter bullshit like that and get no comeuppance whatsoever.
The US is officially a shitty country now.
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Monday 25th November 2019 00:45 GMT veti
Re: "a threat recognized by other federal agencies and the governments of other nations"
You mean, apart from France, Germany, Japan, Australia and New Zealand? Well, the governments of Canada, Norway, Sweden, the Netherlands and India are also taking it pretty seriously, although they haven't outright banned the equipment yet.
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Monday 25th November 2019 11:06 GMT Anonymous Coward
Re: "a threat recognized by other federal agencies and the governments of other nations"
I'm not sure why you put France there. My country has not banned Huawei. There's a new law n°2019-810 that requires more control for 5G equipment, that applies to *all* hardware, explicitly including that from the EU. So looks like American companies should be worried too.
The restricted hardware list will come from the Prime Minister, but hasn't been published yet.
It's not likely to be as crazy as what the US do. The law already explicitly excludes 4G hardware already in use from those checks.
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