back to article Wunderlist creator asks Microsoft to sell him back his biz as Redmond updates To Do

The former CEO of popular to-do app Wunderlist has publicly pleaded with Microsoft to sell him back his company in despair over what the software giant has done with it. Despite being paid a small fortune – between $100m and $200m – in 2015 for his app, Christian Reber is unhappy that Microsoft has effectively ditched the …

  1. elDog

    What about "extinguish" do you not understand?

    The point was not to enhance some entrepreneur's cool app. The point to was to get rid of competition.

    Sometimes this is called monopolization. And I bet all of the big boyz would like to do it to each other.

    1. Terry 6 Silver badge

      Re: What about "extinguish" do you not understand?

      I think there's more to it than that. Microsoft has a long history of expansion by acquisition. But all too often, having acquired a product/company they decide to play with it. The product becoming some powerful exec's private football. Instead of keeping the product fresh and useful they'll decide to fix the bits that aren't broken and change or remove any functionality the users might like, while holding on to their own pet ideas against all resistance. Which is why we got Windows 8 and the stupid "charms"- the invisible controls that only ever appeared by accident and when you least wanted them. And they've kept bits of that even in Win 10. Like the very narrow disappearing scroll bars in the Start menu.

      1. TonyJ Silver badge

        Re: What about "extinguish" do you not understand?

        You can stop the scroll bars from disappearing - Ease of Access Settings -> Display -> turn off Automatically hide scroll bars in Windows.

        Annoying that they turn it on by default.

        1. Terry 6 Silver badge

          Re: What about "extinguish" do you not understand?


          Oh and thanks, I missed that one. Have a pint on me.

          Like most users I wouldn't ever look at "Ease of access" settings because like most users I don't need to have specialist settings.

          Ease of access is associated with difficulties and disabilities. It's where you put settings that most users wouldn't want to tinker with, but some people need to.

          So why the fuck do they put that there?

          It's almost as if someone in the design team was so wedded to this stupid concept that they couldn't envisage anyone voluntarily not wanting it.

          1. TonyJ Silver badge

            Re: What about "extinguish" do you not understand?

            Totally agree...I only found it there because when I noticed them disappearing, I searched online and had the exact same WTF...? moment as you did.

            For me, it's a stupid design decision in both cases. Firstly, leave it on by default and secondly, put them in...oh I don't know...somewhere else....if only there was a Display section of Settings? </sarcams>

        2. PeterM42
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          Re: You can stop the scroll bars from disappearing

          WELL SPOTTED! - Like most people I don't really have time to go around fixing all the default stupidities that MicroCRAP have broken after Windows 7.

      2. Dan 55 Silver badge

        Re: What about "extinguish" do you not understand?

        Sorry, what Windows 10 Start Menu is that?

        They didn't need to buy out the competition and shut it down just to shamelessly copy features, it's not like they haven't had form just shamelessly copying features anyway. No, MS have to drive people to their own apps by buying up and shutting down other successful apps because up until now MS were worth precisely nothing in the mobile market.

    2. Wade Burchette Silver badge

      Re: What about "extinguish" do you not understand?

      The Simpsons had it right ... "BUY HIM OUT BOYS!"

  2. IGotOut Silver badge

    i take it this guy never had business experience before?

    Here's how most takeovers / buyouts work.

    Offer of money from company.

    Seller sells to said company.

    Staff move across. Name moves across. Physical or virtual items move across.

    Headcount is reduced (usually back office, then sales). Name gets merged, then dropped. Finally 99% of ther other stuff is either merged or dropped.

    This could be an IT company or a coffee shop. This guy sold out (so would of I for that much money) so no point crying now.

  3. Natalie Gritpants Jr

    "small fortune – between $100m and $200m"

    To me that's a large fortune, not huge, enormous or ginormous, but not small either.

    1. TonyJ Silver badge

      Re: "small fortune – between $100m and $200m"

      Oh I don't know - I think to most people that is a huge sum of money.

      1. Paul Crawford Silver badge

        Re: "small fortune – between $100m and $200m"

        Is it like mega versus 1000 kilo, given a fortune is typically seen as a lot of money?

        "huge sum of money" = "small fortune"

      2. 9Rune5 Silver badge

        Re: "small fortune – between $100m and $200m"

        It doesn't qualify for the three comma club, nor will it suffice to build a secret volcano lair complete with a rocket launch pad.

        Nothing wrong with 'small' however. I suspect it buys you a nice condo in Belize next door to a neighbor who hates dogs followed by an arrest order and subsequent failed run at the presidency.

      3. Anonymous Coward
        Anonymous Coward

        Re: "small fortune – between $100m and $200m"

        I started off with a small loan of one hundred million dollars

    2. James 139

      It's just 0.1-0.2billion.

      Huge to someone earning a tiny tiny fraction of a billion a year, but tiny in comparison to the likes of Bill Gates and his 100billion fortune.

      So its all relative.

  4. LDS Silver badge

    How much did he offer to Nadella?

    Maybe for some billions MS could rethink it.... after all MS dumped far bigger investments.

  5. Anonymous Coward
    Anonymous Coward

    Why does he not set up a new company and deliver an open source version?

    1. TonyJ Silver badge

      "...Why does he not set up a new company and deliver an open source version?.."

      Presumably because he will have to sign a metric shit-ton of covenants saying he wouldn't.

  6. Frank Bitterlich


    in which it announced that Wunderlist would “eventually be retired” as its “best elements” are incorporated into Microsoft To-Do.

    "Best elements" = "customers."

    Job done. Now let's shut down those servers and have a massive lunch break...

  7. Michael Wojcik Silver badge

    Microsoft got it right?

    Outlook is the positive example here? Yikes.

    1. Terry 6 Silver badge

      Re: Microsoft got it right?

      Yes it is.

      For most users Outlook sends and receives emails, then allows a really sophisticated set of sorting rules with all sorts of conditions. And it integrates calendar really well.

      Yes it's a pile of crap for lots of other reasons. Not the least the multiple address books.

      But for use by people working in an office it works very effectively.

      And let us not forget, this is what software is actually for.

  8. John Brown (no body) Silver badge

    "...access from anywhere..."

    Sounds like it's going cloudy so they can slurp more data on us.

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