back to article Never tell me the odds! Oracle makes fresh appeal against $10bn JEDI ruling

Oracle is having one last shake of the dice by going back to court to try to force the Pentagon to reconsider kicking it out of the running for the $10bn contract to run cloud services for the US Department of Defense. The long-running battle will see Oracle appeal the July decision of the US Court of Federal Claims which …

  1. Julz

    Fight To The Death

    If Oracle don't get a slice of this action then they will inexorably be assigned to the dustbin of history. Whether you think that is a good thing or not will depend upon your opinion of Big Red in general and maybe even that of their products and services.

    1. Anonymous Coward
      Anonymous Coward

      Re: Fight To The Death

      This will decide the fate of Oracles cloud business, as they're heavily dependent on government money in the US. I think Oracle have accepted that they will not be a major cloud provider in the future, but fighting to remain in JEDI delays larger write offs as the DoD have to honour existing hosting requirements until JEDI is decided.

      An estimated 15% of Oracle revenue comes from the US Government - replacing databases and ERP/financial applications will require more than just losing a cloud contract, but Oracle will need to improve their product portfolio as other vendors will become more competitive.

      Oracle aren't in the dustbin just yet, regardless of the outcome. They won't be on the DoD's Christmas card list. Unless the DoD is sending tomahawk missiles.

      1. el kabong

        To sum it all up: they are buying time, employing dilatory tactics

        They know they cannot avoid defeat but they still do their best.

        Oracle sure is a fearsome litigant, their ruthless lawyers will fight it to the bitter end. As they always do!

      2. NeilPost

        Re: Fight To The Death

        Amazon and AWS’s well publicised strategic move off Oracle DB technology will enable this.

        Oracle’s aggressive licensing practices-that Tony Soprano would view as abhorrent - are to blame. Sheer greed.

        1. Anonymous Coward
          Anonymous Coward

          Re: Fight To The Death

          "Amazon and AWS’s well publicised strategic move off Oracle DB technology will enable this."

          Yeah but nah....

          The DoD's use of Oracle extends past just the database and into the apps as well. While some database workload will move off of Oracle onto Azure/AWS offerings it won't come close to eliminating Oracle.

          Where it will hurt Oracle is in actual usage - while the DoD and US Government in general get significant volume discounts, the information I've seen would suggest that better licence management and using non-Oracle platforms for systems that don't require Oracle or supporting applications could lead to some useful savings.

          Annual US Government (not just DoD) spend with Oracle is around $5bn, a few percentage points of savings quickly adds up to significant numbers assuming JEDI was moderately successful...

  2. Anonymous Coward
    Anonymous Coward

    This might be an even bigger blow than that time they lost the ITV teletext franchise.

  3. BigSLitleP
    Trollface

    What's happened to you, El Reg!?

    We've got JEDI in the title, a Star Wars quote in the title and a pic from a Star Wars film.

    Where the quote from Star Trek? The pic from Babylon 5? The trolling?

    I don't even know you anymore........

    1. The Oncoming Scorn Silver badge
      Pint

      Re: What's happened to you, El Reg!?

      TBF Darth Maul isn't even looking at who he's fighting (Can't be arsed looking up the name of Liam Neesons Character due to hangover).

      Icon - More birthday hair of the dog.

      1. Anonymous Coward
        Anonymous Coward

        Re: What's happened to you, El Reg!?

        "(Can't be arsed looking up the name of Liam Neesons Character due to hangover)."

        Ra's Al Ghul. And never, ever mess with his daughter.

  4. Jemma

    In time I think..

    Grateful will you be, that no the dumb-pire said...

    This thing is going to turn into a monumental shitshow - think the SA80, the Zip-22, Jimmy Saville at the BBC, Buncefield and playing ping-pong with shaped lumps of hexanitrohexaazaisowurtzitane; in a crèche, all rolled up into one huge shit sandwich. The whole idea makes S "I have a cunning plan" Baldrick look like Einstein and Carl Sagan combined.

    Personally I wouldn't be walking away from this. I'd have an Oldsmobile 4-4-2 with the engine running and warmed through waiting by the back entrance.

    1. GrumpenKraut
      Pint

      Re: In time I think..

      Things I learnt from El Reg's commentards, part 163: hexanitrohexaazaisowurtzitane.

      1. Jemma

        Re: In time I think..

        https://blogs.sciencemag.org/pipeline/archives/2011/11/11/things_i_wont_work_with_hexanitrohexaazaisowurtzitane

        If you haven't seen it already - don't be drinking coffee - the keyboard/coffee ratio is not good in that situation.

      2. Steve K

        Re: In time I think..

        Wow!

        Also a highscore in Scrabble or WordWang?

        1. James Anderson Silver badge

          Re: In time I think..

          Are there enough X and z tiles for that?

  5. Anonymous Coward
    Anonymous Coward

    JEDI bidding process

    "Requirements for the contract had originally been so tough that only four bidders entered the race: Amazon, IBM, Microsoft and Oracle. The DoD then further tightened security requirements so that only MS and Bezos's lot were left in the running."

    My reading indicated that you needed to be able to provide multiple DC's in two or more states and they had to be FedRAMP approved - AWS, Azure, IBM and Oracle were already FedRAMP cloud service providers and I believe Googles approval is started but was paused by Google and Google choose to withdraw from JEDI (this may have changed). The only other vendor that I could imagine joining this group is AT&T but I'm unsure if they are a FedRAMP CSP.

    The selection process ruled out IBM and Oracle because they were not competitive on price (>$200m higher in years 1-2 due to acquire required DCs) and delivery timelines (1-2 year setup timeline leading to an additional $200m-$500m cost increase for the DoD) - can you provide any information indicating it was a tightened security requirement? The FedRAMP CSP requirements already specified security requirements that are reviewed regularly, so all existing CSP's would have had to comply with those regardless of JEDI.

  6. Anonymous Coward
    Anonymous Coward

    Those who can, do; those who can't, sue

  7. Anonymous Coward
    Anonymous Coward

    Customer Service

    Has there ever been a situation where repeatedly suing your biggest (by a country mile) customer worked out well?

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