Re: What about auto-updates?
>> There is so much fear in the world today.
I assume you imply relative to some other period in the past?
In any case this is just an opinion, not fact.
Well.. You can look at the US history during much of the 1900s - when wars were distant things not likely to affect their shores directly (we had much the same here) and there was the military might and will to keep it that way, food and work were plentiful for the vast majority. Much of Europe has had times when the greatest fear was finding food and clothing to get through the winter, but anything in the sky was harmless and the climate - even when there were significant changes for a season - was something you adapted to and survived. Lots of times and lots of places, even in my lifetime, where we had good security and little to fear.
The 'climate' industry however is seriously ramping up the fear mongering and this is causing huge problems for a lot of people. These liars have blood on their hands, and much of that is the blood of kids who've taken their own lives out of despair of what they believe is coming on the world.
There is a difference in what the public should do, and what scientists should do.
Taking on the theme of fear, scientists are the ones who factually define what is worth fearing.
Except, when it comes to so-called 'climate scientists', they're not. Especially with all the rubbish about carbon/CO2. That is about as important to our lives as clean water is, for it makes up much of what we are and much of what we eat. Take too much of it out of the atmosphere and all life on earth ends. Put more of it in the atmosphere, and we get what we're seeing today - greening of formerly dead areas, improvements in crop growth and so on (of course they also need other nutrients to go with it, but you cannot grow a tree without several tons of carbon in the air for it to extract!)
Your point is about how the public processes fear, and there, the factual data scientists provide is what separates fear mongering from what is necessary to bring people together and seek solutions.
Thus far, much of what is suggested is more damaging to the environment - such as 'wind power', and the mis-handling of EV's. Electric cars are great and I'm all for them, but to have one in every garage we need to also build more power plants (maybe NZ can finally get some nukes!), need to improve the power infrastructure (new power lines etc meaning much digging up of roads etc), and there's the problem of disposing of the waste from the cars that are replaced by EVs. If people were replacing dead cars with EV's that'd be fine - getting them in as part of the replacement lifecycle. Replacing them coz the government or greens say you have to? That's very bad for the environment.
Oh, there's of course the batteries and the mining of the chemicals etc associated with them - a cost for 'green technology' I seldom see reported on - the mining and transport of materials, dealing with waste, construction and so on. Lots of badness there.
These 'solutions' are doing a hell of a lot more harm than good. Just look at the 'bio fuel' craze of a few years back, and how much damage that was doing (and the great potential for greater damage had we not wised up!)
This is not about fear, but awareness. There is a choice to be afraid, but there cannot be about awareness.
Actually most people don't need to be 'aware', just given better options. Make the EV nicer than the gasser, then people will buy the EV rather than the gasser. Make it cheaper to insulate your home than to heat it, and make good effective and affordable solutions for those building from scratch.
I live a 'green lifestyle' because it's a more enjoyable and affordable option. I take great pride in being able to grow my own food, to process my own water for my gardens (and a large emergency supply should it be needed), to be living efficiently. I enjoy the taste of what I grow myself. I love breathing clean air, and do what I can to ensure my neighbours get the same enjoyment as well.
I don't do 'green' because it's fashionable. I don't have any concern for future generations (well I do, I also get upset at the world they'll get - but that's only if the greenies get their way and really mess things up!) I live the way I do because it's cheap, tasty and fun. If I can change because I'm introduced to something enjoyable then so can others. If you were to try to force me to do this I'd rebel, have outdoor fireplaces that I insist on using to heat my patio in winter (and burn through a forest or two every day to keep warm outside), I'd not bother to keep my cars or bikes running well, and I'd be less inclined to do the many other things I do that make my part of the world less polluted - instead of cleaning up the rubbish in the back yard and disposing of things properly I'd dig a hole and let the next generation deal with my waste; instead of buying bags and paying disposal fees I'd be buying petrol and movie tickets. And gas bottles for my patio heaters.
You're for eg are able to understand that recycling and reusing help. That was the work of some scientists. You though pick and choose, and choose to ignore the mechanism. For eg washing hands are simple steps that awareness creates.
Not quite sure I can follow that passage.. Can you try to rephrase perhaps? But I am off the land - from farming stock. Recycling and reusing is a standard practice amongst farmers dating back to before we were small groups wandering open lands with our small flocks. It was a common practice long before we had any scientists - before even the famed Greek philosophers. Scientists have been needed to help us better handle some things, but recyling was an old practice before the first 'true scientist' was born.
BTW, Isn't this just hubris though?
We need scientists, philosophers, ethicists to all spent time to understand the world and society around us, including mistakes and offer solutions.
The big problem though, is not just whether or not we should ignore things - but whether or not the stuff we're doing is going to make things much much worse. Bio fuel and wind turbines are just two environmental disasters coming out of the "We must do something!!!" brigades. There will be much worse still to come. Our children (not that I am likely to have any) will inherit economies ruined by laws that at best do nothing at all, but at worst cause severe harm to the lands and seas they're claiming to protect.
I doubt there is a problem. I look around the coastline at stuff built over a hundred years ago where the MSL is the same today as it was back then. I listen to the scaremongering that says "Lower Hutt will be engulfed by sea level rises by 2015" and yet I see that the Petone Wharf is still the same height above the sea today as when it was built in 1907 (IIRC). I'm told this is because the sea levels have risen, but "isostatic rebound" just happens to magically exactly match the rate of sea level rise.
Every single predicted disaster has failed to happen. EVERY SINGLE ONE OF THEM, and yet we're raising our kids in a climate of fear telling them then we have "just 12 years" to prevent it. Like they were saying 20 years ago how we only had a decade, or 30 years ago how we had little hope of averting a new ice age. Every single prediction has failed. Yet we're supposed to make massive changes to our economies, industries, ecologies and our very lives to avert yet another threatened disaster.
There is something very very wrong when this many failures are missed. What do you think of those who're constantly saying "the rapture is going to happen on such and such a date" and yet when it doesn't happen, they give some feeble excuse and change to another date. The climate scaremongers are exactly the same. And we should ignore their pile of lies for the same reasons.
As for the bible,
>>"men fainting with fear, at the roaring of the sea, and the waves". Yes, we're seeing that happening right now!)
takes significant interpretative licence, as almost everything with religious texts do. I'd be interested in some photos or news articles of this, as you claim it is "happening right now" - perhaps with some the women and kids and watching this.
Well.. You could try looking up some news reports. Perhaps shove "climate fear" into DDG or something like that. Here, let me do it for you even...
2,000 years ago this prediction was made and we're seeing it happen with much more accuracy than even the tamest of the climate alarmists. I'll believe their rubbish when I see it. Till then, I'll keep living a clean and eco-friendly lifestyle.
I must really upset some of these greenies.. I live a life they can barely get to in their wildest dreams, yet because I don't buy the FUD of the climate scaremongers I must be a nasty person. I’m greener than them yet I’m a nasty denier!