back to article O2: We've found Huawei of not using you-know-who's kit in 5G rollout

O2 has finally opened up on its Huawei-free 5G rollout plans: services will debut in Belfast, Cardiff, Edinburgh, Leeds, London and Slough in October, with a further 20 cities to go live by the end of the year. The mobile operator said today it is scheduled to to have services running in a total of 50 cities by summer 2020. …

  1. Jedit Silver badge
    Joke

    Say what you like about Huawei kit...

    … at least you know someone's getting good reception.

    1. Anonymous Coward
      Anonymous Coward

      Re: Say what you like about Huawei kit...

      Honestly reception has more to do with the competence of the operator and not necessarily the underlying kit it is running on.

      Come to Canada see how our operators use Huawei but still have serious dropouts all the time. It's more how cheap a telecom operator chooses to be. If a node has a max of 10000 people with 1Gb/s throughput and that operator claims 1Gb/s throughput but what they do here in Canada at least is to put about 30000 on that node thus over allocating their service. Dropouts are often caused because of collisions and one or more of the UE's gets dropped, either that or they just incompetent technicians that don't know how to setup antennae. Doesn't matter how fast or good or cheap something is it still won't work unless the carriers stop being so F'ing cheap in the first place.

      1. Yet Another Anonymous coward Silver badge

        Re: Say what you like about Huawei kit...

        And the woosh wasn't the sound of Canada geese going overhead

        1. J. R. Hartley

          Re: Say what you like about Huawei kit...

          Canada had Nortel.

          UK had Marconi.

          The fact that we allowed these companies to go to the wall is a fucking disgrace. Who benefited apart from tax dodging creditors?

          1. Yet Another Anonymous coward Silver badge

            Re: Say what you like about Huawei kit...

            We should have paid them unlimited amounts of tax-payer cash to keep making products nobody wanted at prices nobody would pay?

            And then force all government agencies to buy from them?

            Or force everyone in the country to use them exclusively?

            I suspect some commentator in Moscow is saying the same thing about Lada

  2. Anonymous Coward
    Anonymous Coward

    Sovereignty

    So we are buying telecoms gear from the hated Europeans?

    What is stopping the Eu fisheries minister spying on us?

    I thought we were taking back control?

    I demand Boris go on twitter and make some meaningless statement about this.....

  3. Jayce and the Wheeled Chairs

    Does that mean the outsourcing of the O2 support staff to Huawei has ended?

    1. Anonymous Coward
      Anonymous Coward

      Yep. It has with Vodafone too as of last week and the deal they were trying to wangle with EE is over too.

      Vodafone was very explicit - no services at all from Huawei, box drop only.

      Many may layoffs at Huawei currently. And not only in the UK. Australia has all but shut its entire operation.

  4. Nick Kew

    So we have at least one telco not being buggered by idiot politicians (fair enough: O2 should be free to choose its suppliers, just as other telcos should).

    At least, it appears so, even if the headline hinted at political motivations. If it does turn out to be politically motivated, I might be tempted to leave 02 after more than 20 years as a customer.

    1. Pier Reviewer

      O2 aren’t a Huawei shop. Never have been. Makes sense from an ops perspective that they’d stick with their current suppliers. It’s not a political decision. Simply an ops one.

      The gear talks to any other vendor’s gear using standard protocols on the user and control planes, but the management plane is all custom services. You can’t manage gear from one vendor using gear from another vendor. They’d have to duplicate a lot of work, or write some middleware. It’s an awful lot of effort/expense compared to buying more kit from the current vendor that can be managed using the existing infrastructure and staff.

      Conversely ripping out Huawei kit from EE et al will require new management kit (and training on it) making it very expensive to do.

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  5. I3N
    Boffin

    Is any of this 5G NR-U?

    Anybody ...

  6. Snowy Silver badge
    Facepalm

    All very nice

    When it works a great fast connection with low latency. Just need to allow you to use a great amount of data without charging you a great amount. There is little point in a fast connection if you are going to only allow a small amount of data.

  7. Anonymous Coward
    Anonymous Coward

    It's only days since O2 signed a continuation of the radio access network share with Vodafone. And Vodafone's half of the country uses Ericsson and.....Huawei. Use an O2 mobile in the west & you'll connect through Vodafone's Huawei kit.

  8. TheChairman

    Three

    Isn’t Three Chinese owned?

    (Registered in Cayman Islands, listed on the Hong Kong stock exchange, which is Chinese territory.. to be more accurate)

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