back to article Curioser and curioser: Little Mars rover sniffs out highest ever levels of methane

The Mars Curiosity Rover has found unexpectedly high levels of methane on the red planet. It is still not clear whether the source of the gas was the lettings off of microscopic organisms or whether it was produced by rocks interacting with water. The gas was detected by the Rover's tunable laser spectrometer. It found …

  1. David Gosnell

    Error error!

    "Musk posted an image of the Moon during a solar eclipse confusingly tagged with the slogan Occupy Mars"

    If you're going to point out a glaring error, don't make another one in so doing. Lunar eclipse, that should be.

    *checks this post carefully* ;-)

    1. TRT Silver badge

      Re: Error error!

      I thought he was staging a chocolate revolution. Obvious rival group to 'Occupy Cadbury's'.

    2. Anonymous Coward Silver badge
      Alien

      Re: Error error!

      From the point of view of the moon, it would surely have been a partial solar eclipse?

      Obviously from Earth we would call it a lunar eclipse, but perhaps Elon has already emigrated and not told us yet. It's amazing what work you can do remotely these days.

      1. Michael H.F. Wilkinson Silver badge

        Re: Error error!

        A total lunar eclipse from earth is a total solar eclipse, not partial. In fact, any part of the moon in the umbra (core shadow) of earth experiences a total solar eclipse. The red light shown in this shot I took on January 21, is simply light refracted through the Earth's atmosphere. The Earth would appear ringed with fire, most likely

  2. KarMann Silver badge
    Holmes

    I'd assumed…

    …that it was a mockery of Trump's 'Mars (of which the Moon is a part)' tweet, when I saw it.

    1. TRT Silver badge

      Re: I'd assumed…

      Obviously SOMEONE got their ass to Mars (of which the moon is a part).

  3. Caver_Dave Silver badge
    Alien

    Instruction to locals

    Please do not vent space farts from your suit in the vicinity of our rower.

    1. Neil Barnes Silver badge

      Re: Instruction to locals

      I expected Earth-shattering Kaboom! Where was Earth-shattering Kaboom?

      1. TRT Silver badge

        Re: Instruction to locals

        Oh dear... I wonder what went wrong with the Illudium Q-36 Explosive Space Modulator this time?

    2. Anonymous Coward
      Anonymous Coward

      Re: Instruction to locals

      "Please do not vent space farts from your suit in the vicinity of our rower."

      And does the presence of a rower also indicate the presence of water?

      Why are NASA trying to hide this from us?

  4. Doctor Syntax Silver badge

    "an important potential fuel source for vehicles"

    They'd still need oxygen to burn it.

    1. Pascal Monett Silver badge
      Coat

      Reality. Always with the pesky details.

    2. Patrician

      There are plentiful sources of oxygen on Mars, held within the rocks and within the sub-surface, and surface, ice for instance.

      1. Tom Paine

        "source"

        The word "source" is doing a lot of heavy lifting there, though, isn't it? The same rocks are a "source of water" in the same way - it's either physically trapped, a molecule here and a molecule there in a crystalline lattice, or chemically incorporated into the mineral itself. Either way, you're not gonna extract it by squeezing, no matter how hard.

      2. Doctor Syntax Silver badge

        "There are plentiful sources of oxygen on Mars"

        You still need a set of reactions which are exothermic overall.

    3. adnim

      Methane,

      @ 21 parts per billion, and that being "unexpectedly high levels". Perhaps Oxygen is easier to gather than the methane?

      Reality really can be a bitch, I been trying to avoid it for a very long time.

  5. Semtex451
    Alien

    Landfill Android

    Clearly an Martian landfill site, possibly containing Androids

    1. Jellied Eel Silver badge

      Re: Landfill Android

      Soup dragon's got thick pea on the menu. Lovely, but deadly.

      I guess another curiousity relates to biogenic vs geochemical oil/gas production here on Earth, ie fossil vs non-fossil fuels. It'll be interesting to see what comes out of this given geochemical I think relies on heat, and Mars isn't thought to be particularly active.. So an alternative that it's biogenic means there is/was life on Mars.

    2. The Oncoming Scorn Silver badge
      Alien

      Re: Landfill Android

      Sounds plausible, I saw a documentary about an exploratory probe commanded by this idiot called Captain Black who opened fire on a collective AI.

  6. Tom Paine

    "little"?!

    You can call Curiosity many things, not sure "little" is very high up the list... yeah that's her on the right

    https://edge.slashgear.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/08/nasa_rovers_curiosity-820x420.jpeg

  7. Ugotta B. Kiddingme

    likely source?

    giggling pre-adolescent Martian males keeping just out of camera view

    1. mics39
      Flame

      Re: likely source?

      Cunning little Martians with their underground cattle farm!

      1. Uncle Slacky Silver badge

        Re: likely source?

        Where the buggalo roam...

  8. Chris G

    Perhaps

    NASA is roving the arse end of Mars

  9. Palpy

    If, and it's a big if, the methane in this case is biological --

    -- it would be no surprise, really.

    Most planetary geologists think that Mars had lakes and rivers early on (linky). Paleontologists think that life got started on Earth very early (linky). And since Earth's biological realm goes very deep underground (linky) then it would seem unsurprising if life started on Mars, and also that it persists deep underground. Flourishes, even.

    1. Jellied Eel Silver badge

      Re: If, and it's a big if, the methane in this case is biological --

      Cheers for the link. I've also read a couple of papers suggesting the Earth has too much water, ie it's producing water underground that then finds it's way to the surface.. Which if true, I guess is good news & counters evaporation and us ending up like Mars. Which I guess also suggests that the possible cooling of Mar's core slowed/stopped processes like that.

      Also curious if the Mars rovers can do isotope analysis on the methane & try to date the carbon to link possible fossil/biogenic causes or fresher methane.

      1. Doctor Syntax Silver badge

        Re: If, and it's a big if, the methane in this case is biological --

        "I've also read a couple of papers suggesting the Earth has too much water"

        I keep seeing this sort of thing reported.

        It doesn't have too much water. It has the water it has. If the theory says it shouldn't have as much water the theory is wrong and the theorist needs a new theory, not the Earth less water. It's called science.

        1. Jellied Eel Silver badge

          Re: If, and it's a big if, the methane in this case is biological --

          It doesn't have too much water. It has the water it has. If the theory says it shouldn't have as much water the theory is wrong and the theorist needs a new theory, not the Earth less water. It's called science.

          Well, quite. Come up with a theory, collect evidence, publish and throw it out there for comment. One theory is that the Earth has a finite amount of water and it just gets moved around a bit. Notably during Ice Ages. But biogenic methane production can also generate water, as can other geophysical processes, so 'new' water is produced. But the Earth is hotter and has better conditions for biogenic production than Mars. There's even a wiki page about it, which also answers the question as to whether Curiosity can do isotopic analysis-

          https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Methane_on_Mars

          But explaining the observations found on Mars is science, and also has implications for Earth science..

    2. TVU Silver badge

      Re: If, and it's a big if, the methane in this case is biological --

      Unfortunately though, Mars is giving every other sign that it is barren and devoid of life. For example, the atmosphere is in chemical equilibrium and, despite all the orbiters, landers and rovers, no overt signs of life have yet been detected.

      Other views are available, but it seems that tidally-heated moons like Europa (Jupiter) and Enceladus (Saturn) have a greater potential for microbial life.

  10. Daniel von Asmuth
    Boffin

    Methane

    Methane (natural gas) is odourless.

    1. Anonymous Coward
      Anonymous Coward

      Re: Methane

      > Methane (natural gas) is odourless.

      Tell that to the Misses!

  11. adam 40

    Fracking hell!!!

    So how are they going to get at this handy fuel source then???

  12. Fungus Bob
    Coat

    Mars needs Beano...

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