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WikiLeaks' Julian Assange will face a full extradition hearing on 24 February next year, Westminster Magistrates' Court ruled this morning. The Chief Magistrate of England and Wales, Emma Arbuthnot, ordered that a five-day court hearing takes place to decide whether Assange should be extradited to the US. The 47-year-old …

  1. macjules Silver badge

    Staying with the Thunderbirds theme ..

    Does that make Sajid Javid "the Hood"?

    I think we should be told if our UK Home Secretary is an arch villain, let alone someone else's puppet.

    1. Korev Silver badge

      Re: Staying with the Thunderbirds theme ..

      F A B

  2. Kubla Cant Silver badge

    Milord or Milady

    Dunno how it was spelt in Thunderbirds, but in British courts it's conventionally "M'lud", and presumably "M'lady".

    Milord is a character in a French song, and Milady is a character in a French book.

    1. Anonymous Coward
      Anonymous Coward

      Re: Milord or Milady

      Whereas you only have to call Mrs. Charles Windsor "ma'am".

      1. Tim99 Silver badge
        Headmaster

        Re: Milord or Milady

        The formal address for Camilla at first meeting is "Her Royal Highness The Duchess of Cornwall", and thereafter as "Ma'am" (Capitalized as the definite article). The initial address of Elizabeth the Second, by the Grace of God, of Great Britain, Ireland and the British Dominions beyond the Seas Queen, Defender of the Faith is: "Your Majesty", and thereafter also as "Ma'am" (To rhyme with "jam", and not "palm" - Apparently she is not amused by the "jam" form).

        1. Anonymous Coward
          Anonymous Coward

          Re: Milord or Milady

          The initial address of Elizabeth the Second, by the Grace of God, of Great Britain, Ireland and the British Dominions beyond the Seas Queen, Defender of the Faith is: "Your Majesty", and thereafter also as "Ma'am"

          Or "Brenda" if you prefer

          1. Tim99 Silver badge

            Re: Milord or Milady

            Mainly from "Madge".

  3. alain williams Silver badge

    What 'crime' does the USA want him for ?

    Exposing wrongdoing by the USA. Wrongdoing that none of the perpetrators have served time for.

    They want to lock him up forever in the hope that it will scare anyone else from exposing further wrongdoing.

    That Assange is a bit of an ass has got nothing to do with it.

    1. Anonymous Coward
      Anonymous Coward

      Re: What 'crime' does the USA want him for ?

      Not sure about the legal niceties but IMHO Assange's "collateral damage" / "if they were on the other side then they deserved to die" failure to redact names and consequent deaths of many high-minded and brave patriots around the world deserves everything Trump can find to throw at him.

      Anonymous coward because I have a life that I have not yet blown.

      1. Anonymous Coward
        Anonymous Coward

        Re: What 'crime' does the USA want him for ?

        "high minded and brave patriots around the world".

        [citation needed].

        The ones we know about seem to be a collection of off-the-wall sociopaths like Oliver North, with the exception of Valerie Plame who was outed by...er...the US Republican Party.

        1. I ain't Spartacus Gold badge

          Re: What 'crime' does the USA want him for ?

          Some of the sources from the Afghan war logs were just ordinary people living in villages who were giving info about Taleban minefields they wanted clearing so their kids didn't get their legs blown off. The logs gave names and GPS coordinates of their houses. Which Assange didn't bother to redact, "because it was too difficult".

      2. Chris G Silver badge

        Re: What 'crime' does the USA want him for ?

        I think you forgot the Joke icon, if you were serious you should note that even your prosecutor only said he put lives at risk, if they could provide direct correlation that Assange's actions had resulted in one death there would be a special rendition team trying to abseil into Belmarsh from a black helicopter.

    2. Anonymous Coward
      Anonymous Coward

      Re: What 'crime' does the USA want him for ?

      Remind us the wrongdoing he 'exposed' in this case?

      If I remember right, it was a bunch of cables no-one wanted (and that manning had tried to shop around for more than 3 months) because they had nothing of interest in them, and a video of an event that Reuters saw 3 years earlier when covering their own guys death and which got its own chapter in a book released a year before.

      Basically nothing was 'revealed' that wasn't already well known, or a complete 'nothingburger'.

      1. Magani
        Unhappy

        Re: What 'crime' does the USA want him for ?

        I suspect that regardless of the 'crimes', if his feet ever hit US soil, he can kiss his Aussie ass goodbye as he has pissed off those in high places and that can never be forgiven in West Pondia.

    3. martinusher Silver badge

      Re: What 'crime' does the USA want him for ?

      "Enemy Of The State". Its probably not spelled out as such in the Federal penal code (although the Orange One has used the term on several occasions) but I daresay we'll cook something up just for him.

      The good news is that what he's being accused of is effectively "being a newspaper" and a number of news publications, including our local rag (Los Angeles Times), have noted this. There is actually a credible precedent for what Assange did in the Pentagon Papers case from a generation ago**. The Justice Department will argue that a website and print media are two completely different things but the media isn't buying it -- a favorable result for the Justice Department would threaten all US news outlets that failed to toe the Party line. Whatever happens we're in for a show trial; its not going to be a fair trail at all because the issue doesn't need to be decided by making a victim of an individual but we need to torture him "pour encourager les autres".

      The UK's Home Secretary is a fairly good example of a servile public official who knows who his real bosses are. He probably needs to impress to help guarantee his future apres-politics.

      (**This was a very similar situation where a the publication of embarrassing material on the misconduct of US troops was prosecuted under the Espionage Act, the prosecution ultimately failing in the Supreme Court.)(Which set a precedent which is what makes persecuting Assange even more obscene -- they're out to overturn this precedent. Sieg Heil!)

  4. Doctor Syntax Silver badge

    "In the magistrates' courts you call the judges sir or madam. "

    In the magistrates' courts you can probably get away with calling a judge "mate" or anything else. They'll just be there as a member of the public, a witness, possibly - because they're all lawyers and some only sit as judges part-time - they might be acting as counsel (they may even be the accused). The folks on the bench are magistrates.

    1. Lee D

      I'm gonna hazard a guess and say that every judge sitting on criminal trials has been called a lot worse almost every single day of the year, to their face, by the accused, and had to remain entirely impartial.

  5. Doctor Syntax Silver badge

    "He doesn't see himself as someone who should be in prison."

    That's one to rank alongside "he would say that, wouldn't he".

    1. Commswonk

      That's one to rank alongside "he would say that, wouldn't he".

      Oops; I think you may just have revealed your age "range".

      1. Doctor Syntax Silver badge

        Oops; I think you may just have revealed your age "range".

        And what picture do you see when you look at an Ant chair?

      2. BinkyTheMagicPaperclip

        The age range is larger than you would expect, the Profumo affair is quite famous historically. When the affair happened my dad was only just discovering women and I wasn't even a twinkle in his eye. By the time it entered the dictionary of quotations, I was probably busy discovering Lego.

  6. Anonymous Coward
    Alien

    declaring that "175 years of my life is effectively at stake."

    I always thought that Julian Assange looked like a space alien. Now he admits to his unearthly origin!!

    (I for one welcome our swimming pool-immersed cocooned extraterrestrial overlords, and remind them that I can come over and clean their pool each week, for a modest fee.)

  7. Anonymous Coward
    Anonymous Coward

    why the remeote video link ?

    Is it so that the courts can channel surf and get through as many cases as possible in the fastest possible time, at the cheapest possible cost.

    Is it because British fear an assassination attempt by some rogue ... *ponder* ... persons or people, or an abduction to a black site.

    Or something else ?

    1. Teiwaz

      Re: why the remeote video link ?

      Is it because British fear an assassination attempt by some rogue ... *ponder* ... persons or people, or an abduction to a black site.

      Why would they fear that, they were complicit with the Monty Burns state in rendition or at the very least, aI'm just popping out for a fag, and didn't see anything.

      1. Phil O'Sophical Silver badge

        Re: why the remeote video link ?

        I'm just popping out for a fag

        I wouldn't say that in the US...

        1. Teiwaz

          Re: why the remeote video link ?

          I'm just popping out for a fag

          I wouldn't say that in the US...

          I know, such a single-entendre bunch, I mean, do they know how much sitcom humour they've just thrown away by not also having it possibly refer to a) ciggies b) small sticks of wood c) odd pork derived foodstuff?

          1. Anonymous Coward
            Anonymous Coward

            Re: why the remeote video link ?

            or d) junior student assistants/slaves

          2. werdsmith Silver badge

            Re: why the remeote video link ?

            a) ciggies b) small sticks of wood c) odd pork derived foodstuff?

            Or unwelcome tedious chores or tasks.

            Or junior school pupil assigned to run errands for older school people (possible origin for the US definition here).

          3. Lotaresco

            Re: why the remeote video link ?

            "I know, such a single-entendre bunch, I mean, do they know how much sitcom humour they've just thrown away by not also having it possibly refer to a) ciggies b) small sticks of wood c) odd pork derived foodstuff?"

            And to the frayed ends of material or rope. Fag ends are the frayed (useless) ends of rope or cloth. Fag ends for a cigarette stub came before the cigarette became "a fag" it's a back-formation since a fag end obvious comes from a fag.

        2. Twanky Silver badge
          Go

          Re: why the remeote video link ?

          Most definitely don't say you're just going out to smoke a fag...

          ...You Brits are so intolerant.

    2. I ain't Spartacus Gold badge

      Re: why the remeote video link ?

      There could be two reasons for the video link. It has been done to save money, as transporting prisoners around and stopping them from runing away does cost money. Or in his specific case it could be because he missed his last hearing, and the reason given was that he was ill. So take your pick.

      1. macjules Silver badge

        Re: why the remeote video link ?

        My understanding from a friend who practices criminal law is that it is about saving a considerable sum of money each day by not transporting a large number of remanded individuals from Holloway (North London) or Belmarsh (South East London) to the main Westminster magistrates courts and then having to transport them all back again at the end of the day.

    3. katrinab Silver badge

      Re: why the remeote video link ?

      Because he isn’t well enough to appear in person.

    4. Doctor Syntax Silver badge

      Re: why the remeote video link ?

      I think originally it was for security reasons. Now, more likely for economic reasons; it saves on having to provide prisoner escort.

  8. Boris the Cockroach Silver badge
    Devil

    Cant see

    him getting granted bail when his current term for bail jumping runs out .....

    1. Teiwaz

      Re: Cant see

      him getting granted bail when his current term for bail jumping runs out .....

      Why not? Various government depts. still get given a budget for the next hairbrained IT project despite wasting billions on previous failed attempts.

      Can't think he really enjoyed the last major part of the decade in the tiny consulates confines. Everyone should have a chance to not repeat mistakes + cheaper for the taxpayer to not incarcerate at considerable expense someone who's not an immediate danger to the public.

      1. Lee D

        Re: Cant see

        Cheaper to incarcerate than man a police operation to surveil him for seven years, you mean?

      2. Andrew Norton

        Re: Cant see

        Of course he did. He got to be in the public eye, and get to claim 'persecution'. If he hadn't run away and face the swedish court, odds are that if he'd been convicted, that would have been his 'career' and his fame over. He'd be Bill Cosby'd

        So between that, and living in a small space kinda reminiscent of his upbringing in the Great White Brotherhood (a cult he was part of in his youth) and then the traveler lifestyle he had in his teens.

  9. Anonymous Coward
    Anonymous Coward

    25 Years of "Rogue" Entanglement

    Email ID 1056763 lays out the entire strategy to corral and shackle, back to 2012...

    https://search.wikileaks.org/gifiles/emailid/1056763

  10. Doctor Syntax Silver badge

    I suppose the Swedes have decided he's more trouble than he's worth so there goes his chance of escape via an EAW and at worst a few years in a jail that's got to be more comfortable than anything in the US.

    1. Anonymous Coward
      Black Helicopters

      The Swedes are very nervous about the Russkies, and want an unofficial alliance with the U.S. to deter Ivan. So they may have agreed to move to the back of the Assange extradition line to build up their relationship with the Pentagon.

    2. Jaybus

      ...or perhaps the Swedes realize that he will get far more jail time in the US and he's angered them to the point that they believe he deserves it?

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  12. Sanctimonious Prick
    Devil

    Apologise!

    All you puppies that accused Assange of being paranoid about extradition to the US apologise right fucking now!

    1. Twanky Silver badge

      Re: Apologise!

      Er. I think most were saying he was *less* likely to be extradited to the US from Sweden - not that the US wouldn't seek his extradition at all. At least, that's the impression I got.

      Perhaps someone who cares could perform a text analysis on the various comments to give a definitive* answer?

      *subject to 'alternative facts'...

    2. Psmo
      Coat

      Re: Apologise!

      Paranoia doesn't mean people aren't out to get you, just that it's unlikely.

      That said, I'll hold my hand up here; I thought that cooler heads would prevail.

      I also thought Trump didn't stand a chance and that the British people would overwhelmingly choose the status quo.

  13. Anonymous Coward
    Anonymous Coward

    But surely Uncle Donald will help him out

    Fair's fair after all.

    LOL

  14. CPU

    If the Swedes want him they have had 6 years to get a Warrant over to the UK, and yet they still can't get one raised- smells fishy.

  15. Anonymous Coward
    Anonymous Coward

    Our law or theirs?

    Isn't there a British law that they can't extradite someone if they will likely face torture and/or death? Since Assange has been openly threatened with 'assassination' by several American politicians and is no doubt headed for an unfair trail directly at Guantanamo Bay I would think he has a strong argument against extradition.

    However, we will see if the Brits uphold UK law or the US version of 'the law'.

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